IiPunch - Monk Guide

I like that PUP method
Getting it to hold the ADDS
Sounds like the way to go

Was about to ask about PUP
Than buddy chimed in thx

I would very much prefer if my geo's DIDN'T feed tp to the most offensively focused tier 3 NM when I was there killing it on monk or warrior thank you very much. Ngai is the most destructive T3 of them all, capable of flattening the dd's in an instant and giving the whm a near heart attack.

Yes, this fight kinda sucks for the support. There's a huge amount of downtime where they don't do anything but stand there. The bard can at least sing debuffs on the adds if they want something to do. Geo, cor, and bard have ONE role outside reapplying buffs when they need to be, and that's proccing blue. You have to time your weaponskills so they all go off silmultaneously after the red proc opens the window, with a 2-3 second margin of error. So cor can fire off a leaden salute, and bard can do a staff weaponskill, and geo can do something with the club. But feeding Ngai TP is tantamount to murdering your ACTUAL dd's.... the important ones who are gonna be killing him. When howling fists can punch him for upwards of 55-60k with a good multi attack and judgment can hit 35-45k (50+ with mighty strikes), that 5k weaponskill the geo is doing is insignificant.

I know it sucks for the fight. Its boring as hell. i get that. but geos best thing to do on ngai is to stand right next to him, get enmity so the bubble is active, wear his strongest turtle armor and just stand there and look goofy. Dps should not be an issue if your monk and war are geared properly. Dying is your biggest issue on Ngai, and having your geo swing at him is only going to be more detrimental than it is helpful.

Edit: The pup method is perfectly fine to use too. The warrior can be swapped out for a pup. Just as the war can be swapped out for a blue mage. There is wiggle room for some variety in the setup. But Paladin is a very low impact job here and doesn't contribute very much. And while you CAN have the geo dps, I stand firm on my opinion that it shouldn't be necessary and that it's just going to make things more complicated than they need to be.

PUP method is way better. Took our group only 2 tries to finish Ngai V25. The least try of all T3 by a long shot.

I've heard very good things with the pup method. We just didn't have a capable pup when I did it and the groups who I've helped clear since just did it the same way. I'm willing to defer my opinion and say that it's probably the superior method if it's executed correctly. My points are relevant more to the warrior + monk killing method.

Does anyone really use the boost belt from DI points for ws or just a lame regain piece?

My monk is fledgling stage
Still working on it
Getting there though
But i've been using the WSD waist from DI
lol

It has some great uses but you need slow gear and to remove all forms of haste when using boost

Situations include pre sortie fight running to a sortie fight
It's a mini meditate

Prep for pole debuffs
Or vere am
Not as valuable but gh am prep or good ol big ws opener

As for making use of the actual boost effect that is challenging
The longer the effect is active the bigger the bonus, timing this so as to not get stuck is difficult
And using during a fight is absolutely not advised

WSD is too low to really use it for Final Heaven, same for prime's WS and every other h2h WS benefits more from MA or fotia's ftp boost sooo, "lame regain piece" it is, not sure why 1200 TP on a 1 min timer is lame but hey

Because you need to be disengaged (or you'd be using another belt), do you really bother with it moving between things on any content?

i thought it was Boost > WS
Than when boost is down swap in Fotia for WS
That's what i've been doing
lol

Use it before prepping in an ambu, ody, running around in sortie on mnk, or omen, or dyna, it's just meditate attached to a belt, dont see the issue

the dmg scaling on boost is never worth the forced wait it puts you on, at high haste it barely moves the needle and at low haste you're stuck for 10+ seconds and the dmg boost again is still not enough to justify it.

You use it to get a meaty AA in(which is still a loss cause its just boosted TP gain on a regular attack round, no MA or kicks allowed)

You will get some quality regain with the right setup
It's dependant on your haste value at the time of boost

Removing gear and adding slow gear will make it decent even with haste and match

For ws
Moonbow belt +1 will be superior almost always
Fotia belt for a few specific weaponskills

Don't even need slow gear might get you maybe 1 extra tic and thats a variable on how much magic haste youve been given already, that and there's barely any to begin with, i just drop all the gear sans the belt and put it all back on after use. Wouldnt do this in a fight but you shouldnt be boosting in a fight generally anyway

A slow armor set like lustratio would be kinda nice for this though

I would argue that boost during Aminon MNK method should be excellent tool. It will give you TP from belt, result in a strong white melee attack that will give you even more TP, so you can follow with strong WS. It will basically let you lower tp feed once per minute while probably keeping DPS at similar level and if you proc triple damage on Veret or Prime on that boosted melee hit, it can do some serious damage too.

I absolutely agree with this
It was just easier to tell people not to do it in most situations

It's still your situational Kirin experience only it's not chi blast and it's not kiting

Does that generally provide more DPS than just swinging normally though? I only saw 1 vid of the mnk method and they were just DPSing normally while rotating penance

If it works every 30s why not just have 2 disengaged mnks kill it?

It would be excruciatingly slow

Recast is 1 min, you could do that and try to squeeze in abs-TPs or something but

It's mnk, you feed almost no TP so just punch it to death

I started gearing up MNK for Sortie
Stopped doing Sortie after getting +3 for jobs
Shortly after release

Looking to get back into it
Probably only going to do 1 prime

I said in game way back than
It looks like magic burst for bosses
And MNK for mega boss

It's cool actually seeing it be done now

I dont think it provide more dps, I would say it's probably break even, but afaik you could for example time it when other monk is about to apply penance (Sterk suggested to turn around for safety at that time). Also I think every reduction in tp feed while not reducing dps by much if any is good.

WS average for GEO is more like 15-20k and with Idris AM3 you can slap them down every few seconds. In our fights GEO is doing roughly 15-20% of the total damage and is almost keeping up with the PUP, depending on who has hate when the adds come out etc. It also helps break up the WS wall, which is nice.

The jobs setups of our strats are very different, just providing this perspective. It's not some tiny insignificant damage, in my strat, they're an important DD. Also helps a lot when the MNK and PUP both get punctured, the GEO can tank instead of the boss wandering off to your WHM or automation. It's really not optional at all, in the strat I suggested.

Never heard of this, now I'm curious.
I can see it working very nice for the first add, PUP stops damage, goes out of range and lets the pet take hate on the add (if the PUP is 2nd in hate list on Ngai when the add pops, even better because they can just switch hate to the pet).
Will take a bit to put the automaton and the add in the right position, but once that's done, you focus on Ngai and that's it.

What after that? How do you make the Automaton take the 2nd add as well? Can't use switch JA anymore and even if you manage to put both adds on the Automaton, the Auto itself will target/melee/flash/voke only one of them, so eventually after getting hit for a while, he will lose hate on the second add, which will start going for someone else (the WHM, I guess?).
Which is still better than having 2 adds on the WHM I suppose.

Or is there some other trick I'm not aware of?
Which WSs does the PUP use to not wall the MNK and vice-versa? And which weapon? KKK or Godhands I suppose?

I've always wondered how the PUP pet is supposed to keep hate on 2 mobs too. I don't know enough about it but thought it has to be engaged to a mob to take action on it, and that the adds lose interest over time and go for 2nd on hate list of main boss anyway?

Exactly what I would expect to happen.

You can use switch hate. Its target based, not global and Automaton will take very low damage, so will lose CE enmity very slowly. You can also position automaton 30 away from everyone, so adds won't register any hate from anyone, so will just have initial hate when they spawned and only one building more hate on them will be automaton. You can also use Invincible for massive VE enmity spike that will be generated on both adds and that alone would stick both adds to the automaton for a long time.

The over 30 yalms thing sounds cool. If you do that you can't Switch hate when the second add pops, right?

Normally switching hate on the second add wouldn't work BUT they pop with some hate on the PUP, actually if PUP is second in hate when the second add pops, that would be perfect and you can just Switch it and let it go to the Automaton.
Especially if the thing works when the automaton is over 30 yalms but I'm afraid it doesn't?

Same thing for Heady Artifice, does it work even if your automaton is 30+ yalms away? If it does well, it's just perfect I suppose.
Which setup do you use for that? I guess Valor/Valor but I'm more wondering about attachments.
And of course wearing full master gear because you want stats and mostly lots of DEF and capped DT to survive Ngai's moves, right?