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By clearlyamule 2017-08-03 11:53:53
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Seriously though just use it on a ranged/magical ws to get concrete numbers
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By Asura.Syto 2017-08-03 11:54:53
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This is like a surgery gone wrong... Too many botched surgery's on MNK.

Just pull the plug guys.. R.I.P.

The Doctor's tried everything... It's just not possible...

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By Kodaijin 2017-08-03 12:01:17
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Did some testing as well. Apex Jagil - Woh gates
Sample Size for each WS was 20 - i know small sample but who has the time for this after a certain point?
Av. Howling Fist W/Boost: 14213
Av. Howling First W/O Boost: 13832
no real statistical difference when you toss out highs and lows

Av. Raging W/B: 16668
Av Raging W/O: 17089
without averaged higher...

Same results for V.Smite,, Dragon Kick, Tornado kick but did smaller sample sizes cuz i get tired of recast.

As reported, normal Melee hits and crits received decent bump when used with boost.

gear, buffs and TP all constant for each test.

So yeah, its broken if intended to work on WS. Working as intended if only intended to work on melee hits.

Focus and Dodge are nice but too short.
No real reason to use mnk that i can see if other jobs are available. back to warrior!!
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By Odin.Geriond 2017-08-03 12:03:38
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clearlyamule said: »
Seriously though just use it on a ranged/magical ws to get concrete numbers
Magical WSs do not consume Boost (nor do they get a bonus from it).
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By Yandaime 2017-08-03 12:07:07
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Asura.Syto said: »
This is like a surgery gone wrong... Too many botched surgery's on MNK.

Just pull the plug guys.. R.I.P.

The Doctor's tried everything... It's just not possible...


Botched colostomy!! Pooping out of the pee-hole!
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By clearlyamule 2017-08-03 12:07:22
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Odin.Geriond said: »
clearlyamule said: »
Seriously though just use it on a ranged/magical ws to get concrete numbers
Magical WSs do not consume Boost (nor do they get a bonus from it).
Old or new boost?
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By Odin.Geriond 2017-08-03 12:07:47
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clearlyamule said: »
Odin.Geriond said: »
clearlyamule said: »
Seriously though just use it on a ranged/magical ws to get concrete numbers
Magical WSs do not consume Boost (nor do they get a bonus from it).
Old or new boost?
New Boost.
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By Odin.Geriond 2017-08-03 12:13:37
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Also, Ranged WSs don't consume or benefit from new Boost, either.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2017-08-03 12:16:32
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fudo test is pretty sufficient, honestly.. a 20% average gain over 10 ws is outside the realm of error

seems like perhaps it's broken on MNK main
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By Asura.Boogerballs 2017-08-03 12:16:39
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Once again, i told u so
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2017-08-03 12:17:12
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Wouldn't it be funny if for Vana'Diel day, they fixed all the problems wrong with Monk and made it a spectacular job, just for that one day? Man, MNK gets trolled so hard. The joke is over.
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By Asura.Syto 2017-08-03 12:17:35
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They Boosted SAM this update. :D
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By clearlyamule 2017-08-03 12:17:35
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Odin.Geriond said: »
Also, Ranged WSs don't consume or benefit from new Boost, either.
Oh joy so the easiest methods of testing are eliminated

Whelp there goes my dreams of Cataclysm mnk. Funny how they don't mention that stuff in notes
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By Sylph.Gobbo 2017-08-03 12:18:10
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
well now you just sound like cherrywhine

if your group is so close-minded that they can't tolerate the idea of doing one run to see the benefits, i have no idea what to say to that

i think the reality is it's you being close-minded and they probably wouldn't care one way or another.. it's one run

Not to mention it's Omen, the event was designed around bringing multiple jobs that aren't the staple of groups. I let people come whatever as long as we have the proper archetype party setup to beat the bosses (support + damage + healing) and they could contribute to objectives for their cards.

People aren't going to want to play BLU forever in Omen lol.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Alvon 2017-08-03 12:18:45
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Epic troll from SE if the new boost works on every job other than mnk...
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By Odin.Geriond 2017-08-03 12:28:40
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Super quick test of /MNK boost:

THF/MNK
110 STR, 119 DEX, 30 DMG weapon, attacking Wild Rabbits
SA Heavy Swing (1000 TP): 1534
SA Boost Heavy Swing (1000 TP): 1561

I don't think it's working /MNK either.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2017-08-03 12:32:00
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You can't do it that way, boost and (ANY?) other JA seem to no longer stack

(I mean like single use ja's, I would assume it should work with focus/berserk etc)
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By Odin.Geriond 2017-08-03 12:32:49
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Sure they do.

Sneak Attack melee: 891
Sneak Attack + Boost melee: 1124
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By clearlyamule 2017-08-03 12:37:53
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What if it's just nerfed for blunt dmg lol
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2017-08-03 12:38:01
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Sorry if it's been covered.

But with footwork up, kicks use the weapons base damage for calculations?

If so does that make Kick weaponskills viable?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2017-08-03 12:41:36
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Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
Sorry if it's been covered.

But with footwork up, kicks use the weapons base damage for calculations?

If so does that make Kick weaponskills viable?

Noticed no noticeable change w/ footwork up and tornado kick but didn't do a ton to test, to unimpressed to care.
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By Blazed1979 2017-08-03 12:48:11
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Ken+1 set for sale - 500mil for all 5 pieces. PM if interested.
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2017-08-03 13:00:15
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each or 100m per piece? if it's the latter sign me the *** up
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By Odin.Drakenv 2017-08-03 13:03:21
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After reading all posts I assume make monk great again is halfway to meh or?
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By Artemicion 2017-08-03 13:04:32
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Odin.Drakenv said: »
After reading all posts I assume make monk great again is halfway to meh or?

Pretty meh until Boost gets fixed is the consensus I take away from this.
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By Odin.Drakenv 2017-08-03 13:05:37
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Asura.Syto said: »
This is like a surgery gone wrong... Too many botched surgery's on MNK.

Just pull the plug guys.. R.I.P.

The Doctor's tried everything... It's just not possible...

Facts
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By Odin.Drakenv 2017-08-03 13:11:55
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Fenrir.Richybear said: »
Just give MNK Predator Claws
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By Chimerawizard 2017-08-03 13:16:30
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Fenrir.Richybear said: »
Just give MNK Predator Claws
Pretty sure they gave MNK rush, as in five slaps to the face.
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By Asura.Sechs 2017-08-03 13:22:02
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Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
If so does that make Kick weaponskills viable?
During Footwork the nakedhandsdamage+feetdamage gets used as base damage for Tornado Kick and Dragon Kick, instead of the nakedhandsdamage+weapondamage formula.
Footwork adds some kick damage (with JPs), Ambuscade cape adds some damage too.

In this patch they tweaked Footwork:
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Footwork now adds weapon damage to the damage of kick attacks
So going by those lines, the +damage value of Weapon should get added to the kick damage addition showed above.
Seems a bit too good if you ask me (in the case of Godhands it would be 197 additional damage per kick!) so I suspect there's something wrong either in their description or in the translation.


But SUPPOSING it's true SUPPOSING the JA is not broken and SUPPOSING it works on WSs as well, then YES Tornado Kick could be quite a hot WS to use when Footwork is up.
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By jopa 2017-08-03 13:24:05
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Fenrir.Richybear said: »
Just give MNK Predator Claws
Maybe Exalted Staff should've had Adds "Volt Strike" effect.
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