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Politicians/Media refuse "proudly gun free" sign
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-01-18 18:27:50
1. it doesn't matter the tool used, it's just a tool, I don't care if a gun was used, or a brick, or a silver Volkswagon. True, but the potential reasoning that could bloom from this is flawed.
Tools are not just tools. A car is a transportation tool. A brick is a rock, it's environmental, it's not a tool. A knife is a cooking and crafting tool, while a acrewdriver is just a crafting tool.
A gun is a projectile firing toolftfy It's a killing tool. They're designed to kill, nothing else.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-01-18 18:28:54
Nope he didn't. Where? where did either of you explain where MINORITIES ARE SUPPORTING NRA/zero-gun-policy. I'm sorry some Condi photo op for an argument on FFXIAH doesn't count as large scale support by minority groups....
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2013-01-18 18:29:44
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »How convenient for your argument! As convenient as your fear you got growing up to want to move to a safe neighborhood or out of your terrible neighborhood.
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »You still didn't directly answer my questions. Why dont we see minorities supporting zero-gun-regulation/NRA? Dunno, lack of education among Hispanics? I can't read their mind. I do know that my uncles that were born over seas and spent a lot of their lives over there, had guns there, and still own them legally back in the country of their birth.
I don't go asking my cousins if they have guns nor do I go around asking Hispanics down the street if they have a gun or support gun rights. I should ask them? If I do, they might draw on me cuz they are all gangsters and bad scary people! D:
By Artemicion 2013-01-18 18:30:16
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »The world is crazy, no matter where you go.
No the world isn't crazy wherever you go. If you think it is I suggest you re-evaluate life and move elsewhere. Not all neighborhoods are Boyz in the Hood. actually the world is scary.
Crawl out from under your rock and you'd realize this.
don't be so facetious.
Try not to let statistics scare you too much.
Just walking outside and getting in a car to go to the grocery store opens up a plethora of probability of great injury or death to one's self or others. I simply don't think owning a gun is necessary a deterrent or solution to fulfill one's illusion of safety.
I'd be more concerned about car and aircraft safety precautions and engineering improvements before feeling the need for a gun to protect myself from burglary or murder.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-01-18 18:30:55
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Dunno, lack of education among Hispanics? Oh wow! So only uneducated latinos support gun-regulation that makes total sense. lol
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »As convenient as your fear you got growing up to want to move to a safe neighborhood or out of your terrible neighborhood. Unfortunately a history or violence surrounding minorities is well documented. You and your weak argument are not.
By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 18:31:16
1. it doesn't matter the tool used, it's just a tool, I don't care if a gun was used, or a brick, or a silver Volkswagon. True, but the potential reasoning that could bloom from this is flawed.
Tools are not just tools. A car is a transportation tool. A brick is a rock, it's environmental, it's not a tool. A knife is a cooking and crafting tool, while a acrewdriver is just a crafting tool.
A gun is a projectile firing toolftfy It's a killing tool. They're designed to kill, nothing else. I'm sorry, but I disagree.
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By Bahamut.Zheta 2013-01-18 18:31:54
It's a killing tool. They're designed to kill, nothing else. 
By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 18:32:36
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Nope he didn't. Where? where did either of you explain where MINORITIES ARE SUPPORTING NRA/zero-gun-policy. I'm sorry some Condi photo op for an argument on FFXIAH doesn't count as large scale support by minority groups.... Then your question is unanswerable as it is a *** question.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-01-18 18:33:04
1. it doesn't matter the tool used, it's just a tool, I don't care if a gun was used, or a brick, or a silver Volkswagon. True, but the potential reasoning that could bloom from this is flawed.
Tools are not just tools. A car is a transportation tool. A brick is a rock, it's environmental, it's not a tool. A knife is a cooking and crafting tool, while a acrewdriver is just a crafting tool.
A gun is a projectile firing toolftfy It's a killing tool. They're designed to kill, nothing else. I'm sorry, but I disagree. Listen, we're not talking about paintball guns versus glocks here. We're talking about the tool, that which, by your own admission, is given to us as a right to defend against tyranny and for self defense.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-01-18 18:33:26
Weapon:
Something used to injure, defeat, or destroy.
A gun is a weapon with expectedly high destructive value that can result in the destruction of life with little effort.
Let's be honest about that.
By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 18:34:12
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »The world is crazy, no matter where you go.
No the world isn't crazy wherever you go. If you think it is I suggest you re-evaluate life and move elsewhere. Not all neighborhoods are Boyz in the Hood. actually the world is scary.
Crawl out from under your rock and you'd realize this.
don't be so facetious.
Try not to let statistics scare you too much.
Just walking outside and getting in a car to go to the grocery store opens up a plethora of probability of great injury or death to one's self or others. I simply don't think owning a gun is necessary a deterrent or solution to fulfill one's illusion of safety.
I'd be more concerned about car and aircraft safety precautions and engineering improvements before feeling the need for a gun to protect myself from burglary or murder.
I don't let statistics scare me, but I know the world isn't a safe place, just from my own environment, much less others.
You don't think it's a solution or necessary, others do.
That's your choice, but stop trying to make their choice for them.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2013-01-18 18:35:04
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Ok Condi photo op. Does that mean you want a pic of us holding our guns? I don't have any easily available, but I do have a pic of my brother in law with me at the range this Saturday, its from behind, shows his head, he is black, would that suffice?
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »No the world isn't crazy wherever you go. If you think it is I suggest you re-evaluate life and move elsewhere. Not all neighborhoods are Boyz in the Hood. Not all places are safe as you want to believe. I too wish the world was safe and peaceful, but it isn't. And until the day it is, "from my cold hands" will be my response to you sir.
By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 18:35:57
1. it doesn't matter the tool used, it's just a tool, I don't care if a gun was used, or a brick, or a silver Volkswagon. True, but the potential reasoning that could bloom from this is flawed.
Tools are not just tools. A car is a transportation tool. A brick is a rock, it's environmental, it's not a tool. A knife is a cooking and crafting tool, while a acrewdriver is just a crafting tool.
A gun is a projectile firing toolftfy It's a killing tool. They're designed to kill, nothing else. I'm sorry, but I disagree. Listen, we're not talking about paintball guns versus glocks here. We're talking about the tool, that which, by your own admission, is given to us as a right to defend against tyranny and for self defense.
at times a paintball gun can be used for those purposes as well, wouldn't say it's nearly as effective in a lot of situations though.
By Artemicion 2013-01-18 18:37:07
I don't let statistics scare me, but I know the world isn't a safe place, just from my own environment, much less others.
You don't think it's a solution or necessary, others do.
That's your choice, but stop trying to make their choice for them.
That's fine, but one must at least acknowledge that owning a gun(s), has dire consequence, and even something as petty as possession opens up a ginormous can of worms in liability and potential consequence/repercussions.
My problem is that the bar of qualification and responsibility is far too low to warrant ownership or even use.
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By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 18:37:27
Weapon:
Something used to injure, defeat, or destroy.
A gun is a weapon with expectedly high destructive value that can result in the destruction of life with little effort.
Let's be honest about that. so is a knife, a car, electricity, water, acid, etc.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-01-18 18:37:29
1. it doesn't matter the tool used, it's just a tool, I don't care if a gun was used, or a brick, or a silver Volkswagon. True, but the potential reasoning that could bloom from this is flawed.
Tools are not just tools. A car is a transportation tool. A brick is a rock, it's environmental, it's not a tool. A knife is a cooking and crafting tool, while a acrewdriver is just a crafting tool.
A gun is a projectile firing toolftfy It's a killing tool. They're designed to kill, nothing else. I'm sorry, but I disagree. Listen, we're not talking about paintball guns versus glocks here. We're talking about the tool, that which, by your own admission, is given to us as a right to defend against tyranny and for self defense.
at times a paintball gun can be used for those purposes as well, wouldn't say it's nearly as effective in a lot of situations though. I never said it couldn't be lethal, but it certainly isn't designed to be...
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-01-18 18:37:36
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Does that mean you want a pic of us holding our guns? I don't have any easily available, but I do have a pic of my brother in law with me at the range this Saturday, its from behind, shows his head, he is black, would that suffice? There will also be exceptions. Minorities who have a history of violence in their neighborhoods aren't out there supporting zero-gun-control policies. Sure you can say "im Hispanic and i own a gun" but it means jack squat.
You don't see Latino or Black activists in any of the major cities supporting zero-gun-control policy. Infact you see the contrary you see them supporting gun-control.
Show me the blacks the latinos the gays of major US cities supporting guns! Show me the evidence!
By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 18:38:42
I don't let statistics scare me, but I know the world isn't a safe place, just from my own environment, much less others.
You don't think it's a solution or necessary, others do.
That's your choice, but stop trying to make their choice for them.
That's fine, but one must at least acknowledge that owning a gun(s), has dire consequence, and even something as petty as possession opens up a ginormous can of worms in liability and potential consequence/repercussions.
My problem is that the bar of qualification and responsibility is far too low to warrant ownership or even use.
I happen to disagree.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-01-18 18:38:58
Weapon:
Something used to injure, defeat, or destroy.
A gun is a weapon with expectedly high destructive value that can result in the destruction of life with little effort.
Let's be honest about that. so is a knife, a car, electricity, water, acid, etc. Too much oxygen can be toxic.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-01-18 18:39:36
Weapon:
Something used to injure, defeat, or destroy.
A gun is a weapon with expectedly high destructive value that can result in the destruction of life with little effort.
Let's be honest about that. so is a knife, a car, electricity, water, acid, etc. Yes, they are. What's your point? A gun is a weapon, and it's innate purpose is to wound or kill. There is no denying or obfuscating that fact. It doesn't have to be used in that way, but that is its intent by design.
By Artemicion 2013-01-18 18:42:13
By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 18:42:45
1. it doesn't matter the tool used, it's just a tool, I don't care if a gun was used, or a brick, or a silver Volkswagon. True, but the potential reasoning that could bloom from this is flawed.
Tools are not just tools. A car is a transportation tool. A brick is a rock, it's environmental, it's not a tool. A knife is a cooking and crafting tool, while a acrewdriver is just a crafting tool.
A gun is a projectile firing toolftfy It's a killing tool. They're designed to kill, nothing else. I'm sorry, but I disagree. Listen, we're not talking about paintball guns versus glocks here. We're talking about the tool, that which, by your own admission, is given to us as a right to defend against tyranny and for self defense.
at times a paintball gun can be used for those purposes as well, wouldn't say it's nearly as effective in a lot of situations though. I never said it couldn't be lethal, but it certainly isn't designed to be...
I wouldn't necessarily say most weapons capable of being lethal were designed that way.
My point really is that people feel the need to regulate guns as they consider them as instruments of death, nothing else. They can't possibly grasp that they have other purposes, even if they are few. They won't even accept it.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2013-01-18 18:43:39
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Oh wow! So only uneducated latinos support gun-regulation that makes total sense. lol I support better regulation, not restrictions for law abiding citizens like myself. I had no answer that would satisfy you cause regardless, you won't see other's view.
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Unfortunately a history or violence surrounding minorities is well documented. You and your weak argument are not. and your shooting skill is weak! (this is an assumption since you are so anti-guns and yes, proves your point on my skills, boohoo ; ;)
Yes, as a minority, we have been subject to violent crimes based on racism. Yes I have also been subject to prejudice and racism.
It is still my right to OWN a gun. Why do we have to bring race into this? Why not get off your high horse/bull whatever you ride and stop trying to take away a given right to defend ourselves.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-01-18 18:43:40
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
You don't see Latino or Black activists in any of the major cities supporting zero-gun-control policy. Infact you see the contrary you see them supporting gun-control.
Show me the blacks the latinos the gays of major US cities supporting guns! Show me the evidence!
Because the activisists that you speak of, folks like Sharpton, Jackson, the NAACP, are Democrats first and above all else. And for now, the agenda of the Democratic party is gun control.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-01-18 18:44:07
They can't possibly grasp that they have other purposes, even if they are few. Cocaine can be used as a painkiller, that doesn't mean we prescribe it.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: » And for now, the agenda of the Democratic party is gun control. Maybe it's time someone took up that mantle. But let's get real here, after Newton even a number of Republicans wavered, even if only for a while.
I don't think I have anything else to say.
By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 18:46:43
just about all of it.
Weapon:
Something used to injure, defeat, or destroy.
A gun is a weapon with expectedly high destructive value that can result in the destruction of life with little effort.
Let's be honest about that. so is a knife, a car, electricity, water, acid, etc. Yes, they are. What's your point? A gun is a weapon, and it's innate purpose is to wound or kill. There is no denying or obfuscating that fact. It doesn't have to be used in that way, but that is its intent by design.
actually there is, there are plenty of guns that aren't meant to wound or kill.
considering what makes a shot lethal is the ammunition, not the device that fired it.
The design of a firearm is to fire a projectile of a certain size, it is up to the user to decide what ammunition goes in the gun. As stated elsewhere, you can put in blanks or non-lethal rounds.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-01-18 18:47:03
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Yes, as a minority, we have been subject to violent crimes based on racism. Yes I have also been subject to prejudice and racism. No no no you both are limiting this to hate crimes! You think poor blacks and latinos only experience violent crimes in the form of hate crimes?
Get in tune with reality. The average white american in middle america doesn't need to worry about her kids getting held up or a drive by. They don't need to worry about their kids joining gangs.
The mom in Compton on the other hand does. Granted it's not as bad as it was in the 90's, but it isn't Beverly Hills ok... and its not due to racism. That's my point.
Go tell all the Puerto Rican/mexican/Salvi/Black moms who had their sons killed via guns. Go tell them how guns would have made the situations better. I dare you to walk into Compton or Watts and tell the African American or Mexican mom that. I dare you!
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-01-18 18:48:42
Why does the debate regarding banning guns entirely keep foaming to the surface?
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2013-01-18 18:49:16
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Why does the debate regarding banning guns entirely completely keep foaming to the surface?
People keep shooting people at schools. :(
By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 18:49:29
They can't possibly grasp that they have other purposes, even if they are few. Cocaine can be used as a painkiller, that doesn't mean we prescribe it.
honestly I don't see how it can be that much worse (in the proper doses) than Vicodin, or some other very addicting very dangerous drugs.
They didn't use to prescribe marijuana either, but bam.
I don't know of many doctors prescribing tobacco to help treat IBS, but it's an option (even if a bad one).
I don't really think prescriptions which are heavily influenced by drug companies out to make a profit is really a good comparison.
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Various politicians and media refusing signs saying "This home is proudly gun free", for the obvious reasons, yet the primary publication they pursue, saw fit to publish a list of names/addresses for registered gun owners.
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