Politicians/Media Refuse "proudly Gun Free" Sign

People don't have to hold a license to own a car, so your argument is invalid.

Again though since you apparently didn't get it before: people don't have the *** right to drive, people have the right to own a gun.

I don't give a rats *** if some dumbass shoots himself, or if some kid is stupid enough to shoot themselves, I don't hold that level of empathy, they should know better.

natural motherfucking selection.

People in these forums need to get out of this mentality thinking the US is some war zone. It's fkn 2013 for crying out loud. This isn't Boyz in the Hood! You ain't 2pac or Biggy who needs to defend your life 24/7.

What I find more intriguing. Is that it's always the constitutional idealists who zealously support NRA/Zero-Gun-Control. (Yes I'm going there)

Why don't we ever see any asians, black, latino or LGBT supporting guns in the media? Curious? I'll tell you why. Because they(we) have been subject to violent crimes throughout US history. We understand this concept that guns do more harm than good in the hands of civilians(most of the time).

The very people who ACTUALLY have sound reasons to be concerned for personal safety in every-day-life, aren't advocating guns.

You don't see the African-American mom in Compton saying "dear god I wish I had gun to protect my kids from gang violence"

You don't hear the gays in Castro/WeHo/Village saying "i wish I had a gun to protect me from thos crazy people who gay bash me?"

You don't hear the Mexican Latino dad in East LA saying "I wish I had a gun to protect my house from theft"

Perhaps deep-rooted. The system is flawed, but not intrinsically and inalienably so. Maybe that was your point and I read too strongly into it. If it was, I'm sorry.

My argument was systemic, not along individual lines.

EDIT my fault, i thought that was in response to me. It wasn't. My mistake.

I'm sorry that you live such a sheltered life that you don't comprehend the dangers on this planet.

I don't give a ***what you (or other minorities) think does more harm than good, it doesn't make it true.

edit: I'm sorry that you don't feel the need to uphold your rights, yeah, I went there.

You ever think that they don't say that, as they are armed? Yeah, didn't think so. (not saying they are, just you don't even take into consideration that it's a possibility).

yeah I think we're on the same page. kinda tired here. maybe I'll get a beer & go home.

cheers for now friends

I mean, as I see it I'm much less fatalistic than most people when it comes to gun control and gun violence.

I view that with certain targeted and smart legislation we could possess guns while minimizing accidents.

Seems a bulk of the argument against regulation is that it wouldn't or couldn't do anything.

I have people who skull-bash gays against sidewalks and make them loose teeth. I have police officers(edit: certain precincts) who shoot-to-kill latinos and blacks the minute we reach for our pockets.... and I live a sheltered life...

No. I think the rest of this country has been playing too much Resident Evil and think's we're going to be invaded by zombies that they require fire-arms to protect themselves! For the rest of us though who have personally had to experience gun violence there is this thing called "reality."

Depends on the regulation.

You want background checks? sure.

disqualification for mental health cases? maybe, depends on the mental health, and or just give some sort of a method for due process.

want to run buybacks, and want funds to dearm gangs? sure.

possibly end the pointless drug war, which has no great positive effects and pretty much only adds violence/guns/criminal activity? sure.

want to limit rounds capacity in magazines? nope

want to limit what guns people can buy simply because of their cosmetic appearance/pistol grip? nope

I also don't agree with the continuation/expanding "gun free" zones, thinking they're safe, as apparently: they are not.

you confuse violence with gun violence, you're blaming the tool instead of the perpetrator.

I'm sorry, not sheltered then, confused.

I've never played Resident Evil, although I'm told 4 on the GC is rather good.

How about expanding responsibility?

Also: cosmetically different what? There is a great range of lethality among firearms. Which is why there isn't a single pistol that you can either get in black or hello kitty pink.

EDIT: yes of course because a gun was NEVER used in any of the hate crimes against minorities in this country. And because violent crimes don't happen in Compton/Houston/Bronx in heavily saturated latino/black areas...

EDIT: Again I'll say it plain in simple its always the WASP majority of this country who statistically never really has to experience any form of violent crimes who blindly supports the NRA/zero-gun-control policies.

You're also circumventing my point/question. Explain why the latinos/blacks/LGBT of this country aren't supporting guns?

Yes, but if you are going to put the will to either *** someone up or fatally injure/all out kill someone at the flick of the wrist, you might want them to actually know if they can drive or not and if they are knowledgeable enough to responsibly, and within the law, drive a vehicle ~10001 pounds.

I would think you'd want someone to be certified through extensive screening when they wield something that can do relatively the same thing but at a varying strength of a finger movement. You may have the right to own a gun, thats not my point, but are you atleast competent enough to even have that gun in your possession and use it is. Along with more capable enforcement you could easily crack down on the illegal owners and then be able to differentiate. It in no way interferes with your "secand amendmant" and it ensures a degree however minute of peace of mind that some *** idiot who doesnt know how to even load his weapon being given one to use for whatever reason.

Im not saying "save the children" and i do believe shooting yourself is an act of natural selection, but god i'd love it if we actually tested the proficiency of people and their knowledge base/ability like we do in every other aspect that requires a license. Is it really that much of a problem?

You dont need a license to own a car, nor do you need one to use a gun. Either situation is quite brutal when used illegally in the same manner. Correlation, yea?

I was referencing the ridiculousness of classifying some weapons as "assault weapons" based upon their looks, talk to Skarwind.

At the Minority part from "I live in a safe neighborhood" guy

I am Hispanic, I own guns.

My older half brother, half Hispanic, half Filipino, he owns guns.

My brother in law (married to my lil sister) is black, owns guns.

We all know there is problems with world and know we would rather be prepared ourselves then wait on others to "save" us. And we also believe in the following below.


Maybe we should go to NRA and ask to put our faces on their commercials so we can see minorities wanting to defend our right, since we are not seen by you?

How about classifying it based on military use? Or deadliness potential? We're not entirely limited to terrible rating systems here. We're supposed to solve problems, we can come up with something better.

Just because as an adult I live in a safe neighborhood doesn't mean I grew up in one.

which they are doing. "Military Style Assault Weapons"

They definitely arent classifying them cause they "look scawy".

1. it doesn't matter the tool used, it's just a tool, I don't care if a gun was used, or a brick, or a silver Volkswagon.

2. the concept of "hate crimes" is ***, it's going down the road of thought crimes, a very dangerous road to tread.

3. Your assumption (in your edit) is blatantly ignorant.

I'm ignoring your point as it's a *** stupid point. It's a baseless claim. I know some of each of those groups that support gun rights.

Nor did I. What you referenced before, yah, that happens where I grew up too. Even if I did move somewhere further away from where I grew up, to an area with less minorities cause it is "safe" I would still be dependent on myself to defend myself more reliably then to wait on others.

The world is crazy, no matter where you go.

less arbitrary, but still nope.

actually, they have and are.

Oh please. you think that all crime in latino or black neighborhoods is hate crimes. Please wake up and smell reality. You and Skull are still circumventing my questions btw.

Ok Condi photo op.

True, but the potential reasoning that could bloom from this is flawed.

Tools are not just tools. A car is a transportation tool. A brick is a rock, it's environmental, it's not a tool. A knife is a cooking and crafting tool, while a screwdriver is just a crafting tool.

A gun is a killing tool.

Does the actual EO state "Guns that look scary"? Or does any bill currently up for vote say anything in such manner?

I do believe its the public at large that are using that term....or select groups. Not the President or anyone within the government.

No the world isn't crazy wherever you go. If you think it is I suggest you re-evaluate life and move elsewhere. Not all neighborhoods are Boyz in the Hood.

what the ***?

I never insinuated or stated that, stop bulling ***out of your ***.

I told you why I'm not answering your stupid/baseless/pointless question.

He answered it.

ftfy

He's saying whatever the classification may read, it essentially boils down to that. You can disagree with the fundamental effect, but his point still remains wrong or right.

actually the world is scary.

Crawl out from under your rock and you'd realize this.

don't be so facetious.