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Best Mythic Weapon and why
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2013-01-15 15:15:03
I'm not sure if Blaze is just trolling or getting totally wooshed by the whole concept of this topic being subjective.
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-01-15 15:16:25
I'm not sure if Blaze is just trolling or getting totally wooshed by the whole concept of this topic being subjective.
Rockin' "it's my 12.95" like it's goin' out of style
By Blazed1979 2013-01-15 15:26:17
Which goes back to the purpose of this thread, to discuss which Mythics are worth doing, not which jobs are worth playing by insert <name of player's> subjective opinion on playing preference.
For those that play PLD and would like to be able to do more content without holding their friends/linkshell back too much, Almace is a superior weapon.
If we want to talk about if PLD should be there or not, that's another discussion about over all efficiency and which jobs should be in an alliance or not on said content.
"Which weapon is worth creating" is just as subjective as "what job is worth playing".
Using paladin when it isn't appropriate is holding back everyone around you. Arguing to the contrary is naive, and a waste of everyone's time.
Not really. Which weapon is worth creating depends on what one finds valuable. There is real value in being able to play a job you like. There is also value in being able to play the job that you like while bringing something to the table.
In closing, it is really up to the group or the individual to decide what is appropriate for them/him/her.
Burtgang is not going to make your PLD desirable enough to put it on the front lines again, as it did pre-abyssea. Do not have any doubt that it will still be a sideline job unless SE changes the enmity cap.
Almace will allow you to pump out some impressive dmg in a lot of content. It can be spectacular in easier content, and mediocre in current high end game content. But it will still be better than burtgang.
This is a game after all.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-01-15 15:27:42
I'm a career PLD, I bring PLD to everything, and I'm mad I can't afford a Burtgang so I'd like to argue against it's utility. Unfortunately, the lack of a coherent case is holding me back, so I'll just spin in circles and hope they get confused.
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-01-15 15:27:55
will allow you to pump out some impressive dmg in a lot of content.
This is where you're wrong.
An Almace paladin is less than half as potent as most offensive classes in this game.
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-01-15 15:28:44
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »I'm a career PLD, I bring PLD to everything, and I'm mad I can't afford a Burtgang so I'd like to argue against it's utility. Unfortunately, the lack of a coherent case is holding me back, so I'll just spin in circles and hope they get confused.
God dammit, lol
By Blazed1979 2013-01-15 15:31:10
will allow you to pump out some impressive dmg in a lot of content.
This is where you're wrong.
An Almace paladin is less than half as potent as most offensive classes in this game.
Would have responded if you identified a specific event, but that is a blanket statement. I guess I've been trolled?
EDIT: I actually only solo in my PLD and RDM when I'm a bit tired of spamming Uko/victory smite/cata/resolution/shoha for a change of pace and diversity.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-15 15:32:00
will allow you to pump out some impressive dmg in a lot of content.
This is where you're wrong.
An Almace paladin is less than half as potent as most offensive classes in this game.
Would have responded if you identified a specific event, but that is a blanket statement. I guess I've been trolled?
It's a blanket statement that just happens to be true. Paladin isn't designed for output, to be quite honest. Yeah it has high STR, but it's not a DD job, it's a tank job. It has other tools for enmity, other than it's DD prowess.
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-01-15 15:34:13
Would have responded if you identified a specific event, but that is a blanket statement. I guess I've been trolled?
It really doesn't have anything to do with specific events. You'll find no bigger lover of Paladin in this game, but even I don't pretend its offensive output even compares to a real, honest to goodness damage dealer.
One handed jobs suffer in general, and taking away the tools other, better damage dealers get just leaves our output lacking.
By Blazed1979 2013-01-15 15:36:16
will allow you to pump out some impressive dmg in a lot of content.
This is where you're wrong.
An Almace paladin is less than half as potent as most offensive classes in this game.
Would have responded if you identified a specific event, but that is a blanket statement. I guess I've been trolled?
It's a blanket statement that just happens to be true. Paladin isn't designed for output, to be quite honest. Yeah it has high STR, but it's not a DD job, it's a tank job. It has other tools for enmity, other than it's DD prowess.
So you're saying that in all scenarios PLD dmg output >50% of "most" other DD classes.
First,Specify which DD classes please. Then factor in playing style. When you find your median please post results.
Am I correct?
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-01-15 15:36:57
First,Specify which DD classes please.
All of them.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-15 15:38:25
will allow you to pump out some impressive dmg in a lot of content.
This is where you're wrong.
An Almace paladin is less than half as potent as most offensive classes in this game.
Would have responded if you identified a specific event, but that is a blanket statement. I guess I've been trolled?
It's a blanket statement that just happens to be true. Paladin isn't designed for output, to be quite honest. Yeah it has high STR, but it's not a DD job, it's a tank job. It has other tools for enmity, other than it's DD prowess.
So you're saying that in all scenarios PLD dmg output >50% of "most" other DD classes.
First,Specify which DD classes please. Then factor in playing style. When you find your median please post results.
Am I correct?
Yeah that is basically what I'm saying... I'm not saying they'll lose a parse by 50%, but they aren't nearly as good as THE JOBS DESIGNED TO DEAL DAMAGE...
By Blazed1979 2013-01-15 15:38:40
First,Specify which DD classes please.
All of them.
I retire from this discussion lol.
"Do Burtgang, but don't play PLD cuz it sucks".
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By Blazed1979 2013-01-15 15:39:27
will allow you to pump out some impressive dmg in a lot of content.
This is where you're wrong.
An Almace paladin is less than half as potent as most offensive classes in this game.
Would have responded if you identified a specific event, but that is a blanket statement. I guess I've been trolled?
It's a blanket statement that just happens to be true. Paladin isn't designed for output, to be quite honest. Yeah it has high STR, but it's not a DD job, it's a tank job. It has other tools for enmity, other than it's DD prowess.
So you're saying that in all scenarios PLD dmg output >50% of "most" other DD classes.
First,Specify which DD classes please. Then factor in playing style. When you find your median please post results.
Am I correct?
Yeah that is basically what I'm saying... I'm not saying they'll lose a parse by 50%, but they aren't nearly as good as THE JOBS DESIGNED TO DEAL DAMAGE...
At what point, or page, did you read "PLD >MOST DD" ?
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-01-15 15:39:32
I retire from this discussion lol.
Bye.
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2013-01-15 15:50:18
Conqueror: The weakest of the "Powerhouse" weapons. It's arguably the highest DPS option Warrior can wield, but the margin is lower in part because you're using inferior WS. It can't fully abuse the augment on Berserk, and Berserk can be dispelled.
Conqueror is a massive(~20%) increase when you don't have COR rolls. Upheaval is actually stronger with Conqueror and AM3 than Ukko's if it isn't getting Blood Rage or Rouge roll + Champion's.
That said, Conqueror suffers more than most with maintaining AM3, so it mostly comes down to play style and efficiency, which is probably going to close the gap some.
Also, best MS zerg weapon!
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-15 15:51:44
will allow you to pump out some impressive dmg in a lot of content.
This is where you're wrong.
An Almace paladin is less than half as potent as most offensive classes in this game.
Would have responded if you identified a specific event, but that is a blanket statement. I guess I've been trolled?
It's a blanket statement that just happens to be true. Paladin isn't designed for output, to be quite honest. Yeah it has high STR, but it's not a DD job, it's a tank job. It has other tools for enmity, other than it's DD prowess.
So you're saying that in all scenarios PLD dmg output >50% of "most" other DD classes.
First,Specify which DD classes please. Then factor in playing style. When you find your median please post results.
Am I correct?
Yeah that is basically what I'm saying... I'm not saying they'll lose a parse by 50%, but they aren't nearly as good as THE JOBS DESIGNED TO DEAL DAMAGE...
At what point, or page, did you read "PLD >MOST DD" ?
Well you said pld pumps out "impressive dmg in a lot of content". I wouldn't classify weaker than most DD's as "impressive", sorry.
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-01-15 15:59:12
I don't think any of the universally accepted third-string DD would have much trouble edging out paladin pretty handily
Beastmaster, maybe? Thief and ninja would run circles around paladin
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-01-15 16:00:29
There are literally and exactly two job-restrictive events that exist currently. Those being Legion and Odin II. Discussions of which weapons are best for those two events are only relevant to players who participate or care to participate in these events.
In just about every other event you can go on virtually any job and be successful. Decide how you spend your time and what jobs you enjoy playing the most. Is being the most potent DPS class important to you? Then a mythic is a 500m gamble in the first place, and if you're the type that gts buttdevestated when nnew content or updates dethrone your job/weapon then mythics are probably not for you in the first place.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-01-15 16:02:42
That aside, things like nagi and tupsimati are trashbin mythics and if you make one you'll be sorely disappointed.
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-01-15 16:04:43
In just about every other event you can go on virtually any job and be successful.
Without disproportionate burden on other players and/or having to add additional members to your team? I disagree
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-01-15 16:09:22
No.
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-01-15 16:11:33
That's compelling, and completely untrue, but alright.
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By Bahamut.Cantontai 2013-01-15 16:35:09
Inb4 Sylow wins PW with 18 PUPs.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-01-15 16:43:25
That aside, things like nagi and tupsimati are trashbin mythics and if you make one you'll be sorely disappointed.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-01-15 16:56:45
Nagi and tupsi aren't even pretty, they're really the worst.
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By Ragnarok.Lowen 2013-01-15 17:04:10
Nope, pretty sure they're both more useful than Murgleis.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-01-15 17:04:48
Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai said: »I wouldn't make Death Penalty if COR was my main job, I really don't understand why people would spend 500+M on weapons like terp/kkk/death penalty etc, when not only could they have made an extremely powerful weapon (Ryunohige/Kogarasumaru/Yagrush/guess credits to the BRD one aswell) but would have made yourself more versatile aswell.
For example, you main is COR and you have an Arma 90+, you're already perfectly acceptable, now, say, you went and made one of the top-tier mythics, you bolstered yourself alot more substanially than using the time/gil on your already good COR for Death Penalty.
Since I was using an endgame friendly job as an example, it's a worse case scenario for jobs that aren't, since your maximaizing a job that well frankly, isn't useful.
Sure, a KKK or w/e will really help your solo/low man play, but I do not understand why you would maximize solo/low man play to that extent.
Because some ppl would rather maximize your job, rather than your ability to do content better(when you can already clear every content in this game perfectly fine without a Mythic), if that answers your confusion.
Same reason why ppl want to solo Abyssea NM without atma on RDM, when they can solo with atma or duo to kill way faster.
If you think versatility > all, I'd argue that spending 600M on a DD mythic like Koga or Ryuno is inferior choice than spending 600M on 4 relic/empy for different jobs, From what I've heard Ryuno/Koga isn't drastic ahead of DRK WAR, in many situations even weaker, so why spend 600M on Ryuno/Koga when you can spend it on lv 99 rag then use rest of the money on 2nd and 3rd R/E for more versatility? Yagrush is certainly less gain than many other expensive weapons too. 600M you can have a WAR DRK with rag 99 and Ukon 99 to cover zerg+general DD situtions, plus a BRD with horn+harp 99 for support, that's way more useful/versatile than having one Koga SAM or Yagrush WHM but no horn/harp and can't cover zerg situations.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-01-15 17:06:37
Nope, pretty sure they're both more useful than Murgleis. Murgleis at least is nice looking.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-01-15 17:08:43
Nope, pretty sure they're both more useful than Murgleis.
not even close, and considering how ***Murgleis is too that's saying a great deal.
curious to see people's opinion on this, go.
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