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Best Mythic Weapon and why
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-01-15 13:51:04
Yagrush offers an extrapolation of current functions. It's the literal opposite of a fundamental change
Legion-like content has made it substantially more valuable, and as such it's probably a good investment if you enjoy white mage that much, but yeah
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-01-15 13:53:39
start making use of your dmg output potential to hold adds
Except that in almost all cases where you'd hold adds these days (VW/legion) - you do it by supertanking, and never drawing the weapon at all.
I occasionally smack the last mob in a Legion wave with Excalibur for fun, but I'm well aware it's not why I'm there as PLD.
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-01-15 13:53:59
Who knows, maybe after the enmity patch Buttgang will be awesome.
Allow the augment to bypass the TE cap by the slightest bit, suddenly the greatest weapon the game has ever seen
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By Aeyela 2013-01-15 13:56:39
You know you've been doing too much Dynamis when you read that as "Bypass the time extender cap".
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By Blazed1979 2013-01-15 13:58:09
Who knows, maybe after the enmity patch Buttgang will be awesome.
Allow the augment to bypass the TE cap by the slightest bit, suddenly the greatest weapon the game has ever seen
When that happens, I will invest.
However, I doubt SE will provide a solution for Burtgang PLDs while isolating all other PLDs.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-01-15 13:58:16
If they do the 1h adjustments properly then "best" could change in the near future.
DNC is really the only one that serves to gain very much in terms of Mythics.
Tizona: Won't be enhanced beyond its current standing really. OA2-3 is already diminished in value for BLU by a pretty significant amount, and unless SE gives us TP Drainkiss or something it wouldn't be very reasonable to keep AM3 up.
Glanzfaust: Its primary function will be diminished if anything.
Vajra: Still ***
Nagi: I want to continue forgetting that this exists
Kenkonken: Will obviously be enhanced to some degree, KKK is already awesome as hell and it serves to only get better.
Terpsichore: DNC is the most well equipped 1h job to build 300TP for AM3, however it also has a pretty high multiattack rate. I'm no expert on DNC so I'm not sure how much that affects its effectiveness. Nevertheless it's a powerful weapon as it stands and would only be enhanced by the 1h changes as its primary limitation, DNC being unfortunate, would be alleviated to some degree.
I don't really see the power structure shifting enough to make any of these the best though. If you're looking for relative transformative power then Kenkonken and Ryunohige are the best choices for sure, but Conqueror, Kogarasumaru, and to a lesser extent Carnwenhan and Yagrush are all fine choices too, though those last two would be further down my list of things I'd consider building since they're effectively just expensive QoL enhancements for most things.
Ones I'd never consider or suggest anyone actually build:
-Death Penalty
-Murgleis
-Nagi
-Tupsimati
Poor choices that are outclassed by essentially anything else their jobs can wear.
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By Blazed1979 2013-01-15 13:59:49
"I don't understand this game's enmity system" would have taken substantially fewer keystrokes
Burtgang is pretty meh and sidegradey, but your explanation is horrific
I didn't touch on Enmity mechanics. "I'm an ***" would have taken less keystrokes and would have been more accurate.
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-01-15 14:00:44
Who knows, maybe after the enmity patch Buttgang will be awesome.
Allow the augment to bypass the TE cap by the slightest bit, suddenly the greatest weapon the game has ever seen
When that happens, I will invest.
However, I doubt SE will provide a solution for Burtgang PLDs while isolating all other PLDs.
Ordinarily I'd agree, but on any given server you're probably looking at a handful or fewer paladins benefiting from it
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-01-15 14:02:54
"I don't understand this game's enmity system" would have taken substantially fewer keystrokes
Burtgang is pretty meh and sidegradey, but your explanation is horrific
I didn't touch on Enmity mechanics. "I'm an ***" would have taken less keystrokes and would have been more accurate.
Every part of your post had roots in a misunderstanding of enmity's workings
Almace and Excalibur have nothing to offer a paladin in any serious event one would use a paladin for
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-01-15 14:04:53
Almace and Excalibur have nothing to offer a paladin in any serious event one would use a paladin for
As much as I love my sword, this is the heart of why Burtgang is at least potentially useful - it's useful without having to engage.
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2013-01-15 14:05:06
I personally would be much happier with a DP than with a Koga. My mind went strait to the gutter on that one. :3
By Blazed1979 2013-01-15 14:17:12
"I don't understand this game's enmity system" would have taken substantially fewer keystrokes
Burtgang is pretty meh and sidegradey, but your explanation is horrific
I didn't touch on Enmity mechanics. "I'm an ***" would have taken less keystrokes and would have been more accurate.
Every part of your post had roots in a misunderstanding of enmity's workings
Almace and Excalibur have nothing to offer a paladin in any serious event one would use a paladin for
You have considered all events? There is a lot more than just Legion.
I don't like where this is going, it's quickly going to turn into a "you use pld for that?"
There are Too many subjective terms in your statement based on personal preference such as "any" "serious" "event" for this conversation to be objective.
In Meeble burrows , Almace > Burtgang.
On Odin 2, Almace > Burtgang
In Salvage Almace > Burtgang
Allow me to retract and represent my view more accurately; I did not go into CE/VE values or decay rates or enmity generation rates. However, that doesn't really matter. It is a lot more basic than that.
Are you saying that Burtgang is going to enhance a PLD's ability to hold the enemy's attention more than Almace?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-01-15 14:17:57
I personally would be much happier with a DP than with a Koga. My mind went strait to the gutter on that one. :3
:3_ she knows all about that
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-01-15 14:19:38
Both interpretations would make me happy.
*scoots*
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By Shiva.Arana 2013-01-15 14:20:16
What of beast Scar? Assuming the 1h update actually makes 1h in general relevant they have one of the better ws in the game.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-01-15 14:21:29
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-01-15 14:25:09
What of beast Scar? Assuming the 1h update actually makes 1h in general relevant they have one of the better ws in the game.
BST is pretty horrible right now, at the moment it's at best 15%~ inferior to leading 1h jobs before counting the pet which wouldn't make a massive difference on relevant content. 1h adjustments won't do very much for them to change that, though funnily enough /DRK should be their new best DD sub. The job is crippled by not having any native Dual Wield, forcing it to either drop the offhand or use an inferior subjob like NIN.
So I guess if you want a 600m weapon to farm Dynamis?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-01-15 14:26:29
Farming money to build a weapon to farm money again.
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-01-15 14:27:12
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By Shiva.Arana 2013-01-15 14:27:37
Makes sense thanks for answering my question.
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-01-15 14:30:05
I don't like where this is going, it's quickly going to turn into a "you use pld for that?"
You're absolutely right
Nobody cares what makes paladin better in Salvage homey
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-01-15 14:35:25
"I don't understand this game's enmity system" would have taken substantially fewer keystrokes
Burtgang is pretty meh and sidegradey, but your explanation is horrific
I didn't touch on Enmity mechanics. "I'm an ***" would have taken less keystrokes and would have been more accurate.
Every part of your post had roots in a misunderstanding of enmity's workings
Almace and Excalibur have nothing to offer a paladin in any serious event one would use a paladin for
You have considered all events? There is a lot more than just Legion.
I don't like where this is going, it's quickly going to turn into a "you use pld for that?"
There are Too many subjective terms in your statement based on personal preference such as "any" "serious" "event" for this conversation to be objective.
In Meeble burrows , Almace > Burtgang.
On Odin 2, Almace > Burtgang
In Salvage Almace > Burtgang
Allow me to retract and represent my view more accurately; I did not go into CE/VE values or decay rates or enmity generation rates. However, that doesn't really matter. It is a lot more basic than that.
Are you saying that Burtgang is going to enhance a PLD's ability to hold the enemy's attention more than Almace?
PLD in meebles - No
PLD in Odin2 - Holds adds (if you even bother bringing one)
PLD in Salvage - No
By Blazed1979 2013-01-15 14:55:33
"I don't understand this game's enmity system" would have taken substantially fewer keystrokes
Burtgang is pretty meh and sidegradey, but your explanation is horrific
I didn't touch on Enmity mechanics. "I'm an ***" would have taken less keystrokes and would have been more accurate.
Every part of your post had roots in a misunderstanding of enmity's workings
Almace and Excalibur have nothing to offer a paladin in any serious event one would use a paladin for
You have considered all events? There is a lot more than just Legion.
I don't like where this is going, it's quickly going to turn into a "you use pld for that?"
There are Too many subjective terms in your statement based on personal preference such as "any" "serious" "event" for this conversation to be objective.
In Meeble burrows , Almace > Burtgang.
On Odin 2, Almace > Burtgang
In Salvage Almace > Burtgang
Allow me to retract and represent my view more accurately; I did not go into CE/VE values or decay rates or enmity generation rates. However, that doesn't really matter. It is a lot more basic than that.
Are you saying that Burtgang is going to enhance a PLD's ability to hold the enemy's attention more than Almace?
PLD in meebles - No
PLD in Odin2 - Holds adds (if you even bother bringing one)
PLD in Salvage - No
Game - if one chooses to go as PLD to meebles that's their choice. If they're on PLD, Almace will offer much more utility. That is the argument but thank you for your contribution.
Those that can't teach. Keep teaching.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Elysien 2013-01-15 14:58:18
My opinion on Yagrush from applied use in current content; it's incredible. I mean, you got all these new mobs doing gay enfeeble-ga spells (Odin paralyga, blinga, bindga, breakga) and legion mobs doing the same thing (include silencega, slowga, etc.) As whm only has 2 stratagems /sch, and a ~10% chance to aoe their na spells, Yagrush is just amazing at such things. It speeds up the entire process, so you can get back to not letting people die in 2 hits. It's even more amazing since it works cross-party, and when you're the only healer that's extremely valuable. As a main whm, I am extremely happy of the utility this weapon offers my job.
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-01-15 15:01:03
Game - if one chooses to go as PLD to meebles that's their choice. If they're on PLD, Almace will offer much more utility. That is the argument but thank you for your contribution.
Those that can't teach. Keep teaching.
You're not going to get many on board for a discussion about how to make the best of your bad decisions
By Blazed1979 2013-01-15 15:04:31
Game - if one chooses to go as PLD to meebles that's their choice. If they're on PLD, Almace will offer much more utility. That is the argument but thank you for your contribution.
Those that can't teach. Keep teaching.
You're not going to get many on board for a discussion about how to make the best of your bad decisions
So you're advocating making a Burtgang yet saying PLD shouldn't be played in most content.
Burtgang, ergo, is a good decision?
I'll stick with my "bad choices".
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2013-01-15 15:06:21
Game - if one chooses to go as PLD to meebles that's their choice. If they're on PLD, Almace will offer much more utility. That is the argument but thank you for your contribution.
Those that can't teach. Keep teaching.
You're not going to get many on board for a discussion about how to make the best of your bad decisions
So you're advocating making a Burtgang yet saying PLD shouldn't be played in most content.
Think he is advocating that a burt would be beneficial to things that you would actually use pld for.
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By Blazed1979 2013-01-15 15:11:07
Game - if one chooses to go as PLD to meebles that's their choice. If they're on PLD, Almace will offer much more utility. That is the argument but thank you for your contribution.
Those that can't teach. Keep teaching.
You're not going to get many on board for a discussion about how to make the best of your bad decisions
So you're advocating making a Burtgang yet saying PLD shouldn't be played in most content.
Think he is advocating that a burt would be beneficial to things that you would actually use pld for.
Which goes back to the purpose of this thread, to discuss which Mythics are worth doing, not which jobs are worth playing by insert <name of player's> subjective opinion on playing preference.
For those that play PLD and would like to be able to do more content without holding their friends/linkshell back too much, Almace is a superior weapon.
If we want to talk about if PLD should be there or not, that's another discussion about over all efficiency and which jobs should be in an alliance or not on said content.
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-01-15 15:11:33
So you're advocating making a Burtgang yet saying PLD shouldn't be played in most content.
Burtgang, ergo, is a good decision?
I'll stick with my "bad choices".
Burtgang would never be my choice of weapon, but it does have an application or two.
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By Phoenix.Kaparu 2013-01-15 15:13:44
Which goes back to the purpose of this thread, to discuss which Mythics are worth doing, not which jobs are worth playing by insert <name of player's> subjective opinion on playing preference.
For those that play PLD and would like to be able to do more content without holding their friends/linkshell back too much, Almace is a superior weapon.
If we want to talk about if PLD should be there or not, that's another discussion about over all efficiency and which jobs should be in an alliance or not on said content.
"Which weapon is worth creating" is just as subjective as "what job is worth playing".
Using paladin when it isn't appropriate is holding back everyone around you. Arguing to the contrary is naive, and a waste of everyone's time.
curious to see people's opinion on this, go.
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