Jobs That Needs Updates....

I "personally" think they should take refresh away from rdms..and im not saying this just to tick off the rdms...its just people in the game have become so damn refresh dependant they wont do anything unless they have refresh. People wont pty unless there is a rdm, brd, cor in the pty. Whms have even gotten to where they refuse to main heal unless they get refresh which is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.

You're right, I didn't go back and reread the whole thread. For the record, I think convert, refresh, phalanx, and stoneskin is enough. You guys pretty much never need to stop as it is.

So you want all parties to be slow?=)

no but a party actually disbanding b/c there wasnt a rdm seeking..but a whm was...is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. or a whm breaking a pty b/c he cant find a refresher. 1 tank, 1 healer 4 DD is a perfect setup. No refresh? Manage ur MP better and stfu.

Composure is a good update.

Increased duration of:

Haste
Refresh
Phalanx
Stoneskin
And other buffs

Just turn it off when you are casting on other people, so you don't keep the recast penalty.

I'll agree that is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE...but refresh is *** addicting. It's like the crack of the Mage world...

I'm a RDM and WHM (and WHM is my favorite job) but even on RDM sometimes it's a hassle to keep MP up if you have shitty tanks/DDs. Now, I personally don't care if I get a refresh. I'm very MP efficient. WHM/sch and RDM/whm are my preferred subs for merits. Mages just need to bring food like melee and have a good hMP set (Blasphemy I know! Resting in a merit pt!).

Aye, I can't get enough of that ***. I get used to having ~10 mp refresh on average (max 12) in nyzul isle and salvage that I feel like I almost have no mp when I only have 6mp refresh.

Give WHM Refresh! Give BLM Auto Refresh, BLU and SMN Auto Refresh II.

the only job iv asked for refresh on was blm in either dyna or sky..dont remember which but i was biod and couldnt rest so i asked for refresh (since the whm was in the tank pty..and everyone else was 1337rdmftw)

Melee Whm in meripo as main heal. I really want to see if a well geared Whm with double march can keep up with MP for cures and haste strictly from mystic boon.

Rdm and Whm are way, way different in managing MP with meleeing.
We have to depend on Auto-Refresh from gear. That's it. No Refresh, no Convert. Way, way easier for a Rdm to melee and main heal than a Whm.

Mystic Boon returns MP based on damage no?

Edit: If you were to go Melee Whm and rely on Mys B for refresh, would it be more mp efficent to go Whm/Nin and offhand a Prudence Rod for more WS, or to go Whm/Sch for subly?

How much does Mystic Boon even do?

Dun know, although I remember when it first came out that Izzy was getting decent numbers with it, but he also has molli so results likey different for most others.

But, I figure even if it is returing only 200-300 per WS, a Whm with capped haste in gear + spell + march with off hand prud rod could spam it pretty quickly. But we would need to know an average MP return plus and how often can a whm realisticly WS while also healing + numbers given by subly and have someone with smart math brain work that out.

Not really an update,but give us Drk's a Piercing type scythe,sounds better to me than any other JA for meripos.

I know his setup's pretty awesome and he's also going Mjollnir/KC, but I'd still think more run-of-the-mill WHMs could keep MP high with Mystic Boon.

I'll add that for healing on SCH, we rely on our stratagems and natural reduced spell cost and basically just rest MP back. Rapture really does wonders. The only Refresh gear SCH has access to is a vermy. It's just as practical to wear your mortarboard and charge sublimation.

If SE was gonna update gear for SCH, give us access to Cure Potency+ stuff.

more blue magic plz and make Azure Lore more useful

Azure Lore update would be nice, but why more spells? We have 105 already and I'm hard-pressed to think of a situation where I'm ill-equipped as spells go. I'd like to see the wait time after setting spells reduced, though.

no need for more blu spells, just fix the broken spells....like asurn claws, 1k needles, etc...etc...maybe a para spell that actually worthwile.

Jettatura actually lasting past the spell animation would be nice too.

lol nice inputs again guys i applaude your responces. I no ppl dont think that nin isnt a tank and that pld sam mnk ect are better. But in my eyes that job has potential just like war did like 4yrs ago, so yes i would like a nin boost.

As for blm mag acc + or - would be ok id rather have a new spell to merit into and the thing between whm and rdm its hands down rdm had gotten the best update and omg is it delicious XD. I think whm should get more merited spells besides prot and shell V.

Drg should have there call wyrvern shortened and damit give our dragons the ability to grow like in campaign that would be sick.

And blu 2hr needs to actually do something and they need a JA or trait to give them learning advances.

Azure lore does do something just check the increase in dmg with certain spells... though really need to make it work with all and make it long enough to actually cast more then 2-3 good spells with it. Maybe make it do the 350ish% tp mod even when not using chain affinity just not be able to skillchain... or maybe make it so all your spells can skillchain MB while its active

Honestly i don't think any job "NEEDS" an update as bad as ninja does. Give us a throwing WS and 1 other ability and i will be elated.

All other jobs as far as i have seen don't really need an update. But Ninja for anything other then solo is purely non-existent.

Funny thing about this is that whm is probably the easiest job in the game to cap gear haste with. In fact you can do most, if not all from AH.


That's just it though, Azure Lore helps a very small handful of spells, and not even by an amazing amount most of the time. Okay, so maybe you saw the screenshot of the 3k cannonball on dark ixion, but that's only under pretty damn special circumstances (double minuet, food, cocoon, 300%tp with staff). The only thing I ever really use azure lore for is mp drainkiss and magic hammer when my mp gets low in a bird merit party, and even that's not a guaranteed full mp. What sort of damage do 2-hours like mighty strikes, hundred fists and EES do? ***, even with Azure Lore and capped Convergence (+25 macc) there's no guarantee that a spell will even LAND, and blm's have a ja to do that every 10 minutes. Azure Lore needs a severe overhaul, ***make it let every spell SC while in effect, make it land spells 100%, make it actually boost all physical spells by a noticeable amount without needing SA... SOMETHING! </rant>

Did it with some friends on Whinja in the Mire of all places, but that was back before Mystic Boon.

It was fun for me and fairly effective, was PLD/NIN, WHM/NIN, and 3 DD + BRD/WHM. Again, we were just a bunch of friends out having fun, but we got decent chains and the first time I dropped a Hexa for like 800, one of the DD went OMGWTF?!?

Mystic Boon can be pretty good, there's a WHM on Odin named Potpressure that has excellent gear. I watched him fend off about 4 or 5 Sahagin at once behind the Gold door in the Grotto, and his Boon was returning him 200+ MP most of the time. Add that to a Perdu Wand and KClub, and well, it was pretty sick. This was also before the last WHM update, so no Auspice or Afflatus Misery, which seem to be geared more toward front line WHMs.

EES also gets lame as levels go up. At 75, EES will be far surpassed by a Sidewinder or Barrage by most well-geared Rangers.

They need to make it scale better to the level.