Jobs That Needs Updates....

I think NIN and BLM will get something, and that they finally release the new avatar(s).
I would love something more defensive for DRK, but that probably wont happen. Dread spikes isnt _that_ good ;;

I feel like it's getting to the point where they're gonna have to add T3 merits for jobs.

Well ya see the problem with just giving, giving, and giving makes the game much easier and unbalanced. And when i say nerf Sam i don't mean destroy the job just take away a little smidge of there power/abillity.

And on the TP burn subject did you play the game pre-Aht urghan? Bibiki Bay was the HOT ***pullin in at most 10k Hr but usually 6k~. People actually had to earn there levels and it took so much longer players honed there skills. Now all you do is get haste (walmart turban) get attack/acc gear and SWING like a blind man fighting a bear. There is absolutely no skill learned except >engage>swing>WS>repeat. I enjoy quick exp but TP burns Fooked this game and many jobs. AKA Blm solo to 75... The art of skillchain->MB is lost a lost art.

I accept the way the game is but wish it grew up differently.

Interesting idea, I would enjoy Subjob Merits.. Merits for having a specific subjob on? Just an idea.

Yes, those were the best bibiki days... when you would do 3ws to create light or darkness... 2xMB back to back (The Art)

Reading back on some of these posts, I don't understand how people can say blm would be preferred over a scholar. In most end game events a scholar would be better. For example Gravity-ga Sleepga II without paying or questing the pain in the *** scroll. As a 75 BLM main I think BLM desperately needs some sort of update to its JA's. Maybe something that would add 100% conserve mp to elemental seal, or a potency JA. I would also like to see Hojo: Ni and Jubaku: Ni for ninja. I also realize that Red Mage just got composure and enspell II BUT would like to see some way for them to get a sleepga or -ga debuffs since they were meant to be the enfeeblers. Now they are even more than before a refresh/haste ***.

EDIT: Just to clarify by 100% Conserve MP I mean the actual activation of it not a free nuke ;p

Maybe a Reviving Waltz for DNC at 55 or 60 thats equivalent to r1 or r2. i mean DNC hass already got all the other aspects of a healer. not saying that what they are, just be an awesome addition without being gamebreaking.

Or for Dancers to heal outside of party to heal the alliance.

I'd like the second more, but a raise would be nice.

I really agree that BLM needs help in the JA department.
I was thinking about a JA that reduced the mp cost of spells by 1/2 and increased the recast time more and more with every use of spells while under the effect of the JA.

I've thought a lot about what BLM should get (main blm lol) and there's little we can do without becoming too much.

BLM: I like the +MAB - MACC JA idea, but it's only slightly useful, depends on the numbers. More spells could be good, like Aspir 2 (i don't see much of a reason for DRKs to get this = P) and the elemental enfeebs tier 2. Other than that, I would love to see Comet or Meteor, but i don't see that ever happening.

RDM: I feel for the RDMs with their enspells tier 2, but the fact is they can do so much more than most jobs can, they don't need anything else imo. They got composure for soloing and buffing themselves during pts, and that was a saving grace.

THF: the whole dual wield thing is interesting, maybe give NIN a DW+ and THF DW2 at 70 or something, that way THF don't need /nin and they can focus more on DMG. Other than that, seems like they in a good place.

PLD: I love the idea of having something similar to Affalatus Solace and Misery for PLD, but maybe with damage taken. Something along the lines of Mag. DMG - mode and Physical DMG taken - mode. This way, Paladins can still be known as the omni tank, while nins are scared of -agas XD

NIN: poor nin = ( i feel bad they have to tank, so i think they need more damage and nin like JAs. Atleast if they do tank, they should have more DD to back it up.

DNC: (huh?! who said DNC needs an update?) i remember before DNC came out, people whispered that SE was going to make it a tank job, or it was a possibility... personally, i want to see this happen! Wouldn't it be great if a dnc could tank instead of a nin? they already get a natural provoke, why not beef it up and give em some better armor?

WAR: same thing as DNC, i would like to see it become more of a tank job, so we don't have to rely solely on PLDs and NINs.

DRK: a counterpart to Holy would fit in nicely here.

Oh and the promised avatar(s) (believe there were 2)

Don't make War a tank job for higher levels D:
I like being a DD as War, don't make me focus on enmity. ; ;

Agreed. The TP burn has destroyed the skill of this game. Now u see a lvl 75 melee job i'd say 6/10 dont have a clue what they're doing.
I've been in low lvl tp burns and it bores the hell out of me. Where is the fun in having a pt where u can afk mid-mob, come back 15 minutes later, and if ur pt lined up the next mobs for u, u'll still be standing there swinging away with 300% tp.

I kno i'm not the only person that does that =). I cant tell u how many times i've been blm in a pt and over-nuked and got hate only for 3 of the 4 melees to be standing completely still not voking/chasing or nothing. Then once I die or do a <call> 'o i didnt see it turn'. Prob cuz u engaged and minimized the window so u could watch pedo-porn >.>

I can understand low level'd TP burning since the SC will do like, 1 damage anyway, so what's the point.

Whoops Rerail.

I would like to see a low lvl thf ja or trait that would make them more desirable before SATA. Sure Sneak Attack alone is good but if ur in pt with an loltnk ur prob gonna get an angry mandy slapping u.

I see nothing wrong with the low level tp burn but at some point, pre-sky or dynamis, i think ur gonna need to learn how to actually use ur job.

Someone shouted in whitegate yesterday that SMN was one of the jobs featured in the july update, said he heard it from a interview with a SE developer. Any word on this?

If Atomos/Bahamut were available for SMN I might actually unlock the job :)

Really hope BLM get something too, maybe JA's that enhance each of the elements potency at the cost of lowering the opposite elements potency, just like ele staffs, but really anything would be nice...

Bahamut? The dragon king? Avatar? *wipes drool*

And I like the blm idea.
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By low level'd I mean like Lv1-20 lol.

And that shout you heard Cele was just what we know from what SE said awhile back about "The next few updates we'll give new Avatars." It has been a few updates so maybe this is the one. I highly doubt we'll get Bahamut.

lol, only a SAM would say it's not logical to nerf SAM. SAM has it coming to them, they are utterly overpowered and have been constantly updated to the point where they have caused imbalance. Look at all the jobs that have been shafted hard in updates, then while your at it level DRG =).

I seriously doubt Bahamut will be featured since he is keen on destroying the world..

If anything I still say one of the avatars would be Cait Sith. Would've been cool if they got something like Ixion though.

If you seen the WoTG story though there are a whole load of damn cait siths x.x If there are new avatars they will most likely be story connected which leaves us with exisiting but currently unsable avatars.

Otherwise, we might see ixion/new avatars feature in the WoTG conclusion that we can unlock.

you also forget that SE doesn't do small nerfs it only comes in large servings

"nerf Fort exp....." 30min/ 50exp

"nerf penta" 50tp return....to wtf 16~ish

yeah I don't want a nerf and the game is fine as it is anything + to it would be welcoming

back too the nin subject it doesnt actually need a real update as it gets invites for all types of events, you give it more damage it will be broken. they could give it a ja that takes away from tanking abilities and raises its damage but really when nin gets used for most things what will they want too use it for. it got monomi:ichi sorry too say but i don't see why SE would waste their time updating a job what is fine the way it is then again they keep updating sam..... as for nerfing sam if they chose too do it they could always do it by nerfing their ws modifiers. as for the while any job can tank debate i think people are mixing things up between if a job can tank GOOD or just keep hate. if you think mnk sam war can tank between 50 and 70 well i hope you are the healer then u will realize how much an mp sink they are.

NIN needs something to distinguish it's actual role in a PT.

Now, SE might not have intended NIN to be a tank, Players might have made it into a tank. So, why not give it something to make it more into what SE intended?

On the other side, if SE have realised that the players have turned it into a tank job, why not just give it something similar to provoke? Just so it can hold hate on mobs without the need to burn through 50k+'s worth of tools in a 3~4hr PT.

SAM, MNK, DRG, DRK, WAR, etc.. They've all had their place established now as the "DD Jobs". WHM, RDM, SCH have all got their places as "Healer Jobs". BRD, COR are your "Support Jobs". The players have dubbed PLD and NIN as their main tank jobs, but NIN has no innate hate gaining ability, burning through 1 Jusatsu, 1 Kaginawa, 1 Sairui-Ran, 5+ Shihei, in every single fight is a bit much for your "average" NIN to be able to afford. PLD's however need 3k to buy Flash, 10k to buy all their Cure's and however much Reprisal costs, then there we go.. They have all their hate gaining abilities. They don't need food to hold hate, whereas NIN really does rely on the minimal damage it outputs.

EVA Heavy NIN has no Enmity+ or Damage output.
Enmity Heavy NIN has no Damage output and unless they have really good support, isn't keeping shadows up all that much.
DD Heavy NIN has moderate Damage output, no Enmity+ and again, isn't keeping shadows up all that much, without the right support.

Most NIN have no problem with burning through tools, but at the end of the day, they're burning through tools to still lose hate.

i see new blu spells... new recall spells for the new areas.. id like to think a new avatar but we have been hearing about that forever and they havent given us anything =/ possibly something for pld (since pld seems to get something new every update =/) and as for nerfing sam.. sam is already nerfed.. im sorry the job is a powerhouse.. but actually hitting the mob can be rediculous.. ive missed too weaks with gekkos =/ thats just not right.. how about making it so sam can actually hit a mob =/

I do agree w/ the Lolsamwsacc point it does get depressing...but that happens w/ 1 Hit WS's ; ; but i swearz SAM miss more then others.. seen a Drk miss Spinning Slash once eva but in that same PT i missed Gekko 4x :/

<lie> SAM has the Zanshin trait to semi-negate this.
EDIT: sorry didnt notice u said WS's. Yea SAM does miss that alot but everyone misses. Dragon Kick misses, Guillotine misses, Raging Rush misses. Flare gets resisted by mobs weak to fire. It happens.