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 Asura.Saevel
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By Asura.Saevel 2025-04-17 16:13:25
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Now in the case of a boss that you are kiting that is 100% never going to hit you back so there is zero reason to wear any defense, well for sure max out your dps if that is the specific case or something similar.

You know we thought this too, but packet / lag BS happens and we've had bosses drop random TP moves occasionally, especially F.
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By Veydal1 2025-04-17 16:24:54
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Asura.Saevel said: »
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I'm speaking in the context of an established, familiar, group that knows how to deal with these fights. That's the whole point of min / maxing. It's not for everyone, as some might just care about the clear, specifics or details don't matter. For others it's part of the fun. I personally enjoy getting to learn fights so that I can say "hey, there's no danger here, I'm gonna push it and try a more offensive set."

There are multiple people in this threat who consistently do 9 boss HM + arum chest + H bonus chest providing you with information. The developers who program the combat formulas and set the stats on enemies do so under the assumption everyone involved is wearing 50% DT + newer iLevel sets. There is zero skill, cool poses or screaming out move names that will effect that.

Now you can choose to ignore that and continue doing whatever it is you are doing, that is your prerogative.

Sorry, I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here.

People are clearing 8/8, 9/9, etc., not using maxed out DT / MEVA sets. And there are people clearing 8/8, 9/9, etc. using maxed out DT / MEVA sets. I provided the context of my previous statement. Hopefully I've gotten my point across.

People clear content with all sorts of different conditions, job comps, buffs, gear, etc. I was not trying to be controversial in any way by pointing out that there are absolutely instances where there's room to lower your DT / MEVA thresholds for gear in favor of additional damage output, but I seem to have hit a nerve for some which wasn't my intention. It's my genuine, successful, experience. I'm not saying it's the only way to do things. But I felt inclined to bring it up as (clearly) shown above, that speaking of sets with less than -50% DT / high MEVA is blasphemy to some. I'm not adverse to it at all, just pointing out that it's not always necessary considering certain circumstances.

Who knows, maybe if they ran 0 DT and maximum DPS, they'd get an extra chest with those extra 5 seconds lol :P
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By Dodik 2025-04-17 16:25:09
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Fetters also sometimes spawn on the group.
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By Asura.Bronzequadav 2025-04-17 16:31:19
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If it's not V20-25 Ody fights then wear whatever, Cant remember the last time I got enfeebled out of a fight or died in sortie/ambu/SheolC using a mix of sakpata, emp+3/af+3 let alone odin helm (which I dont use anymore but never had issues when I did)

As long as it isn't escha/unity(for the most part) era gear you're probably perfectly fine defensively outside of specific fights.
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By Asura.Saevel 2025-04-17 16:34:06
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Veydal1 said: »
Not to derail too much, but I've actually found face tanking F/H to not be too bad at all in a x2 DD setup. Admittedly, we only recently started doing it (less than 5 runs), but WAR + DNC as the two DDs + solid contributions from RDM COR BRD really makes all of the NMs drop fast enough that when the fetters are coming out, it's almost dead (assuming they're being proc'd appropriately). Again, this is assuming high damage output. Healer never under any strain and I'm the one tanking on WAR.

For F it's not fetters its Choke Hold dispels or Zap spam stuns. Dispelling your songs and rolls is very bad, and being stun locked half the fight is equally bad. Barthundra can help mitigate the stun and Baraero does help with the dispels, but some are going to get through and losing a march or Samurai's roll is just obnoxious. H is just a troll with Icy Grasp, Eroding Flesh and Flashflood. You can't avoid some of those status effects because they are tied to the mechanic but MEVA does help reduce the ones you can.

As others have mentioned usually when there is a dead player on the ground, they have a certain thing in common.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-04-17 16:41:58
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Veydal1 said: »
"Why not just stack DT / MEVA, killing a little faster isn't a big deal"

and

"Why bother with stacking unnecessary DT / MEVA, you're never in any danger of dying."

The context of this discussion matters

We started talking about this when Timepassesbye posted a set with Odin body and relic+3 legs. Some of the responses were to the effect of "i just use sakpataka/empy+3". The response to those comments to explain reasoning were something like:

Sylph.Timepassesbye said: »
yes, you lose 1 DA and 7 pdl when compared to sakpata, but I'm already DA capped and 11% more damage on each auto attack is 11% more damage.

At this point he was talking about a Naegling set because he later said:

Sylph.Timepassesbye said: »
i just so happened to talk specifically about a white damage set for naegling.

The argument was that the small "bonus" in white damage is inconsequential because it's a meaningless stat pad that doesn't do anything besides virtually drive up the numbers. I use bonus in quotes because your white damage with Naegling is in the same realm as your white damage as NIN; it's just noise in the way of you getting enough TP to fire off Savage Blade. It does not contribute to the faster kill in any way, so what difference does it make to use a "higher dps piece" anyways? The same applies to Odin body with higher critical hit rate.

This is honestly a philosophical difference between what "matters". "MEVA/DT doesn't matter when I don't need it, so why bother" but "that extra 45-100 damage per swing doesn't matter either, so what's the difference"? Same ***really, just personal preference.
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By Dodik 2025-04-17 16:53:42
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I mean it's not same ***, one is clearly superior and the other just wrong.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-04-17 17:04:59
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I was trying to be nice but you came out spraying
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2025-04-17 17:06:43
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tallica said: »
Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
I haven't found any real use for relic legs in any of my sets tbqh.

I'll be the Agoge Cuisses +3 defender here. I can still hit PDT-50% (DT-40%) and DA+101% without using a different leg armor with a set like the below, leaving the major differences as Sakpata's Meva+50/PDL+7% versus Agoge+3's DA dmg+11%.
What am I missing? That's not double attack 101, is it?

Uhhhhh nope, it's 91. Good catch, numbers hard, sorry bout that!

33: Trait/gifts/merits
3: Coiste Bodhar
5: Sakpata Helm
7: JSE+2 neck (augment, not shown on the base stats)
8: JSE+1 ear
6: Sakpata hands
10: JSE cape
9: Ioskeha+1
6: Relic+3 legs
4: Sakpata feet
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91

Could do something like swap Empy body for Sakpata (DA+8) to hit DA+99 (or 100 if you're lucky enough to have a +2 earring!). Perhaps not an ideal swap to give up the STP and GA skill on Empy+3, but maybe viable (and does get you 30 more Meva). Pretty sure I was working from a set that probably did have Sakpata body in there from back before Empy+2/+3 gear came out.

But overall, yeah, probably most significant use would be to pair with Empy aftermath and pump up those substantial white damage hits - even in a buid that doesn't hit 100% DA (working on more than 90% of your attack rounds is still strong). I agree with Buukki that it's just unimportant noise if we're talking about something like Naegling though.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-04-17 17:09:59
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Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
33: Trait/gifts/merits
3: Coiste Bodhar
5: Sakpata Helm
7: JSE+2 neck (augment, not shown on the base stats)
8: JSE+1 ear
6: Sakpata hands
10: JSE cape
9: Ioskeha+1
6: Relic+3 legs
4: Sakpata feet
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91

It's 97% with Schere Earring (still not 101)
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By Veydal1 2025-04-17 17:30:22
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Why is it superior? Why is it wrong to lower your defenses when there's no danger? Because of 'what if's" that never happen in any realistic scenario?

"What if my healer dc's"
"What if the target all of a sudden does 10x dmg because of a ninja update"

Come on...
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By Dodik 2025-04-17 17:42:38
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2025-04-17 22:40:54
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
It's 97% with Schere Earring (still not 101)

Thank you. Holy ***my counting is so bad XD

And in that case yeah, could also swap AF+3 feet in for Sakpata and hit 100+ DA. Which, yes, is certainly a less defensive build, but I still use em sometimes and don't die.

Or, just do your DA dmg+ build with "only" DA+97.
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By Zeofromgeo 2025-04-18 01:10:18
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Dodik said: »
Mine is 4/5 Sakpata and Empy body, rest the same.

Same here.
Pondered over a cpl slots, but nothing decisive that took over from 4/5 Sakpata.

However, it's good that there are options. Nice one SE
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By Asura.Reidden 2025-04-18 10:22:39
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Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
tallica said: »
Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
I haven't found any real use for relic legs in any of my sets tbqh.

I'll be the Agoge Cuisses +3 defender here. I can still hit PDT-50% (DT-40%) and DA+101% without using a different leg armor with a set like the below, leaving the major differences as Sakpata's Meva+50/PDL+7% versus Agoge+3's DA dmg+11%.
What am I missing? That's not double attack 101, is it?

Uhhhhh nope, it's 91. Good catch, numbers hard, sorry bout that!

33: Trait/gifts/merits
3: Coiste Bodhar
5: Sakpata Helm
7: JSE+2 neck (augment, not shown on the base stats)
8: JSE+1 ear
6: Sakpata hands
10: JSE cape
9: Ioskeha+1
6: Relic+3 legs
4: Sakpata feet
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91

Could do something like swap Empy body for Sakpata (DA+8) to hit DA+99 (or 100 if you're lucky enough to have a +2 earring!). Perhaps not an ideal swap to give up the STP and GA skill on Empy+3, but maybe viable (and does get you 30 more Meva). Pretty sure I was working from a set that probably did have Sakpata body in there from back before Empy+2/+3 gear came out.

But overall, yeah, probably most significant use would be to pair with Empy aftermath and pump up those substantial white damage hits - even in a buid that doesn't hit 100% DA (working on more than 90% of your attack rounds is still strong). I agree with Buukki that it's just unimportant noise if we're talking about something like Naegling though.

Oh damn, I just noticed I use that same set. I need to go recount my DA.
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By Dodik 2025-04-18 12:03:32
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*taps the clearly superior sign*
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By Bismarck.Ekcoforce 2025-04-18 13:31:48
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This guide looks quite outdated, where should I look for the most recent gearsets and set ups etc?
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By Asura.Saevel 2025-04-18 15:36:11
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Bismarck.Ekcoforce said: »
This guide looks quite outdated, where should I look for the most recent gearsets and set ups etc?

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/All_Jobs_Gear_Sets/Warrior

The All Jobs Simulator thread is pretty good as a baseline.
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