The Secrets Of The Veridical Conflux

Nobody said anything offensive to you. We stated the risk associated with the tip you gave us. You became disproportionately angry, because the thread wasn't going the way you wanted it to. Regardless of how that makes you feel personally, nobody had any ill intention.

The level of anger you've gotten(you called people pathetic in your first reply) makes it clear that it's all about how the thread makes you look, not how best to help people.

Bent out of shape? I'm merely standing my ground because I think it's worth sharing. I understand that they patched this particular trick, but the use of them is different. Buff locking before was indefinite; this just adds a little time on - something that happens to every other buff in every other instance of zoning in the game.

I am of the opinion that people will not be banned for doing this; so much so that it's not worth dismissing the idea in the manner it has been.

Nobody dismissed the idea. Plenty of people said they'd use it. You got mad that a few people said otherwise because you were hoping for showers of praise. Your reading comprehension is extremely inadequate.

No logic in that statement at all. Just clearly your wrong perception of his feelings

Okay, I'll admit I judged your post because you posted it. I have read a lot of your posts on this site and I don't much care for the way you speak to people.

Guilty on that count, I'll admit. But everything else? Much a do about nothing, really.

Again, no logic. All you're doing is trolling because nobody is that stupid (I hope)

We already established I was after no praise, yet you keep going there. Why? I don't have an ego and it didn't need stroking. My objection is with people dismissing a helpful idea because they a) don't want it nerfed and b) think people will get banned for some very weird reason.

I'd be careful about doing this.

I never said it was useless. I replied to someone asking how it was banworthy with the reasoning. From that, I was attacked by Aeyela and responded by explaining how a ban would be possible(I'm not even the one who brought it up). Every post Aeyela made has been aggressive toward people, instead of simply acknowledging that there may be a risk involved and this isn't a game-breaking discovery.


If this isn't an attack fueled by personal feelings rather than logic, then clearly I've lost touch with reality.

I already admitted I don't like you. What more are you after honey? =)

Upon someone mentioning how this may cause a ban (albeit a small chance), you started the mud slinging.

Because buff locking was mostly fine before is irrelevant to whether SE views this as a situation of "circumventing our intentions."


I would love to agree that people "shouldn't" be banned for this. But it can happen, SE has done it before.

Good for you on sharing the info. I'm sure people will use it.

However, you are intentionally extending the duration of a buff for personal gain. The only different from buff locking was that you could do it for a longer period of time. I'd say SE doesn't normally give a damn about this kind of thing, but the fact that the recent update tried to get rid of this very thing is enough reason to be careful for the time being.

Anyone else other than him posting and I'm fairly sure I would not have reacted that way. Sorry for setting a negative tone.

Either way I'm grateful for the tip. It's gonna be fun yelling at ls "Hey bring another one over I'm hotpotato locking this brew!". Good times.

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What they patched was indefinite locking which meant people could stand AFK at an NPC for hours and not lose their active status or abilities. To the best of my knowledge there is no way of doing that now.

This just extends the timer a little. I really don't think people would be banned for that; at the very most on anything that you can't one shot it will give you an extra kill. They are not the same thing when you think about it. Being able to indefinitely lock all timers and two hours is a far cry from extending them for a minute at the very most.

For some people that's worth it. For CORs on Isgebind it's worth another round of pops!

(I'm going to read this thread in a day or two and be embarrassed, lol.)

Nobody has any difficulty understanding that it's not indefinite.

You seem to have difficulty understanding that SE's motivations aren't always clear and it's within the realm of possibility for people to get banned for it no matter what your logic says.

I'd estimate the risk at higher than windower but lower than Hakuryu botting. It's not a huge deterrant, and I'm sure many people appreciate your post. Convincing everyone it's 100% safe is not the most helpful thing to try to do, though. If someone gets banned because of that, you'll look like a royal douche.

I haven't once said that people are '100% safe' from being banned. I'm saying I don't think people will be banned for it.

When? Back when they had about 5x more subscriptions than they do now? Didn't they also used to ban people for using windower once upon a time too?
They aren't going to ban people for such piddly things because every ban is less money in their pocket. Sure, you *might* get a slap on the wrist, like they might pull you to jail and tell you not to do it again. Or they might give you a temporary suspension.

But let's look at this seriously. This is the only information we got from SE on this:

Quoted from: Playonline Forums - Dec Version Update

No intentions are stated here. No explanation is given. Thus, if you want to warp back and forth between vertical confluxes (which is going to cost you some cruor to do it anyway) then there is nothing in the EULA against it.

If I'm wrong, show me evidence proving otherwise by quoting the EULA and/or a dev post.

I was banned once for sharing a link to someone's blog in shout. Someone convinced the GM that it was an attempt to hijack accounts.

The EULA and/or dev posts don't necessarily represent what GMs will do. You seem like a guy who has a good idea what's going on, but you are a new player and you've missed out on a lot of the unjust things SE has done over the years. They are not the model of consistancy that you'd expect from a business of their size.

this is the point where i point out that in the EULA they also reserve the right to ban you for no reason at all, so they dont have to justify it. just cuz they didnt lay down specifics isnt going to stop them.

edit: *** up the quote, derp

I know we're in disagreement here but that really is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. Almost sounds as bad as my pal getting perma banned for using Japanese chat - In his linkshell!

friend of mine got a 3 day temp ban cuz we were talking about naruto while camping nms. he said he was 'using his sharingan' and someone gmed him for it. apparently the GM was either a *** or knew nothing about naruto.

In the end, the guy who uses clipper and fishbots every night will have no issues doing this. The guy who sticks to windower and tries to avoid anything that would risk their account probably won't use it. I won't bother because I have so much cruor anyway. If I had more to gain, I probably would use it.

We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

Btw, as a disclaimer, I'm pretty drunk tonight, tis xmas Eve after all!

Does the buyback "exploit" ring any bells? There was a tav npc that would buy back an item for more than what you bought it for.


Yes, they will and it has been shown over time to be the case.


They don't need to post it to ban you for it. It falls under the "circumventing intentions" category, which they have used in the past. If you want to accept that or not is irrelevant.

If i am thinking of the same person you are mentioning here there was more to his ban then the JP text in chat. Even as a standalone though putting JP text into chat from a NA client is a dead give away for a third party tool isn't it?

precisely why I don't use stuff like clipper, lol.

*ahem* well, this has sure turned for the uh...interesting, I guess. *popcorn*

It's a dead giveaway for windower, that's all.

If you're going to quote me when I say "show me evidence" then at least show the evidence instead of expecting me to believe your gossip/conjecture. I'll accept it when I see it. I'm not going to accept it just because you say so.

SE does not need to give warnings on an activity before they start banning people for it. Just acouple months ago there was that thing with smns being afk with an avatar and aggroing chigoes. If you want to use this feel free, but understand that the risk is there however silly it might seem.