Action Against RMT Activity Involving Power Level

The best way to make gil out of thin air would be Duping and we all know how hard that is to accomplish.

Einherjar.

Did I say they didn't affect the game in any way? They do. I never said they didn't. Let's put that to rest right away.

I said the specific argument you made was a poor one. You said that RMT's and NNI hackers, specifically, caused prices to go up. They do not.

I know that you can make gil from thin air via fishbot/npc. I never said you couldn't.

The responses you made have nothing to do with what I said.

I was expressing my shock that you didn't pick up on the blatant sarcasm in my post. :-)

A meeble boss Ki set is 1mil.

They do make prices go up, people who can make lots of gil via exploiting NNI,cheating/botting, or buying gil with real life money are more likely to buy what they want at a higher cost since the gil was "easy to get." It only takes a few people to jack the price of rare items like Scarletite Ingots, Staghorn Coral, etc. Yes, these items are rare, and part of it is supply and demand. Some of the people buying these items are legit - but one also has to wonder where some of the others amassed their fortune.

While they might take it a lot more seriously, saying they crack down on it any harder than most other well-funded MMOs would probably be inaccurate. Blizzard bans goldsellers all the time (and probably hits buyers a lot harder than XI does, I've heard buyers getting banned in WoW a lot more often than I've heard gilbuyers get banned), people just don't really notice it because not only is gold not particularly important, it doesn't require that you get in the way of the actual playerbase in order to do it.

That's worth noting. Even I'm transactions that only transfer gil, some buyers having piles of gil that was created through blinkers or fishbotting gives them a buying power that's hard to compete with. It drives prices into a range where only those people can afford to pay the prices they themselves inflate them to.

Have you considered that Scarletite Ingot, Staghorn Coral, etc are inflating due to the fact that every synth using them has an expected profit margin of 200-300% at T1? It's not because players get gil 'easy', it's because even at a high price they're extremely useful to a subgroup of crafters.

Yeah but I've seen them go from 200k to 2 mil in a very short time. The amount of money, a very small, select group of crafters are blowing, for a gamble is quite large. T1 or not, it can be a gamble. I'm T1 for cursed breastplate -1 and am 0/46. Easily obtained gil will always leave the pockets faster than gil obtained through tougher means.

Also did we go through some more bannings? My friends report bumping up in ranking on here and an ls mate said a friend of hers got banned for joining a fell cleave pt.

Ya tried join a shout party for altepa a while back for like a hour or 2 just to finish a trial for a multi hit weapon. For the life of me I could not get them to understand what I wanted to do. I guess anything off the scripted responses they got written down leaves them at a complete lost on how to respond.

It doesn't really qualify as gambling if your expected return is significantly greater than cost. The prices of those items are perfectly in line with what would be expected in a stable economy.

I would be pretty surprised if someone got banned for joining a fell cleave party..

Expected and actual results are two different things. This is ffxi, nothing should ever be expected, even 100% drops. Cursed Breastplate -1 should be a return on investment, but 0/46 is not expected. Even if I went 1/1 today I'd be 6.8 mil in the hole on that synth alone. Playing with hexed -1 gear, and having a large enough sample quantity to be able to almost certainly, statistically hit the 10% average hq would be staggering.

actually edit for my true cursed breastplate -1 stat. 0/46 personally, 0/18 for another friend, 1/12 for another friend (literally crafted on 12th attempt), and 1/12 for someone I randomly helped out (got on 3rd attempt - but we tried to see if we could make a second). So I am 2/88. tis a gamble since each attempt, although is 10% chance of hq is an independent event. and no I'm not wearing smithy's ring xD you won't convince me otherwise.

I wish I could do a better comparison, but Cursed Breastplate -1 generally sells for 30 mil on my server, and costs about 800k per attempt at the moment. Hexed tekko -1 costs 2.4 mil per attempt and sells for 40 mil. I realize we're changing craft/armor slot/how badly someone needs it. But you'd imagine with the same mark up those hands would sell for 90 mil. I'm assuming with the same logic, and sticking with smithing, and bodies, Hexed Domaru -1 should sell for 150 mil, but no sample on my server to support or refute.

I was in disbelief about the fell cleave ban myself. I wish I could see the actual email from SE to the player. Maybe if he reads this he will post it up on the thread. I made a comment last night that if they can ban you for joining a fell cleave RMT group, by that same logic they could ban you for purchasing the 1 gil pop item from their bazaar. Only difference is the amount of gil in the transactions. But yeah thats why I was asking in this thread. I jumped up a few ranks myself, and my points stayed the same. Wasn't sure if bannings, people leaving, or ffxiah.com change/bug. There are lots of unconfirmed rumors a lot of people got banned on this server though.

I still call *** on that. FFXI still carries "odd" stigmas to it that players are reticent to let go. My cousin sold his WoW account some years back and is still buttchums with the ex-guildmates, but conversely if you said "i bought 10 gil" SOME people would be up in arms. This is the only game i've played where people *** baw about RMT like no other.

My point is: Aside from the salvage bans, players that everyone knows were up to no good, have been using the convenient excuse of the week to explain their sudden dissapearance.

Oh i was a legit fisher but standing between two RMT's. I got hacked!!!! (pops up on another server a week later). OMG CREDIT CARD PAYMENT GLITCH111!

I'd give my left pinky if someone genuinely got banned for ONLY joining a cleave party AFTER the blinker nerf with NO OTHER illicit activity. The only way I can see someone genuinely getting a fell cleave ban is if their account is like a week old.

I always loved pointing that out to people in the past, how their vehement hatred of RMT had nothing to do with the "rules" of the game, but rather because of first world problems because nobody ever took RMT this seriously in any other game. I think that attitude has really eased over the years as the playerbase aged with the game and got over the whole "boo hoo RMT are stealing my Despots" though. I've seen a couple people come out and admit to RMT activity during the cruor bot exploiting and nobody really gave them ***for it (Probably even got a few "damn wish I did that lol" kind of comments).

But it is definitely still a really convenient excuse to use, regardless of game.

When MMOs first exploded on the scene I was interested but hesitant. The RMTs started almost as soon as the MMOs did and were reported on not long after.

I kept a close eye on the MMO scene and decided on FFXI BECAUSE of its ToSA. Which, if you might remember, banned RMT activity. Too bad they couldn't enforce it.

So yes. It DOES have to do with the "rules" of the game. At least for me.

Conversely I, like many former Garudians, fondly remember the Bens, an honest and even helpful RMT tribe.

See, it's one thing to simply say you dislike RMT activities because it has x effect on the game experience, but that was clearly not what happened with XI, which had this air of obvious disgust whenever RMT was mentioned. Aside from that, the majority of big-name MMOs ban any sort of RMT activity, the difference is that XI's hunting and reporting of it was done very aggressively, whereas a lot of other games, they just do it and don't make a big deal of it (Basically what the STF does now). In XI it's obvious to me that it ended up being serious business to many people only because they couldn't get their precious sky pops/time pop NMs (OKote, Leaping Boots, Hairpin, Fuma Kyahan) etc. I have never seen people get this worked up over RMT in any other game despite it being against the rules in pretty much every single one.

actually ive heard of a few legit players getting banned strictly for joining the rmt parties over the past few days

and bans over "credit card" glitches? screw people who use that as an excuse, i was banned for 4 months cause of that bull ***

I think the stigma against RMT is due to what they did to the economy.

I believe the playerbase is now more at fault and it's harder to justify "mob mentaility" style anger against actual players.


I agree with this sentiment but not your later point about breastplate being out of whack (and it relates to my RMT vs. Player point).

Players who have easy disposable income will throw it at ***they shouldn't. Hexed gear adds marginal bonuses to your DPS in comparison to gear that cost you that much in the past (and im not even talking honors). If you have clown A) who doesn't understand the value of money and will pay any price to level their craft, and dipshit B) who will pay any price for the newest gear with their easy-gotten disposable income: you get hexed gear that offers minimal return to the player but costs 1/3 of a relic.

The other downside is them not caring about recouping said money. Ragnarok went from having the highest priced cursed hauberk-1, to a 25% drop in price in 2 weeks (two weeks....). If someone says "money doesn't matter to me and I want to do this craft regardless" this is what happens.

Either way: people who are paying gil for someone to fell cleave levels on their character is the LEAST of se's concern. At least theyre offering a service to the community as opposed to what RMT did in the past.

I think this worked. I haven't seen RMT shouts as of late though it maybe just the times I'm playing. I wouldn't be surprised if ppl got banned for joining either.

In any case, I never had an issue with RMT FC groups. If someone wants to pay someone else to PL them, fine. They pretty much stay in their own little corner of Abby.

The issue came years ago when they were camping NMs with nice equipment or synth drops and running around sky. I suppose the current version would be more and more popping up in Dynamis. Obviously RMT will always be around as they just move onto the next gil making trend, but they are far less invasive than in the past which is mainly due to content changes (due to RMT and content getting old).

Oops! ;)

I didn't say any names GAWD ;3

To the person complaining about crafting mats, this really has nothing to do with RMT. This has to do with high level crafters cornering the market and pushing the price up because they want to drive other buyers out. There's some very detailed posts about it at BG. I believe this is also common within the high level crafting community (the ones who have millions and millions to spend, or can generate a 100 million gil sale from one hexed HQ).

A bit silly to think these serious players/crafters are just gil buyers. Gil buying is for the lazy/softcore player, not otherwise.

I've seen too many idiots who actually believe what you wrote, so I don't tend to assume those types of comments are sarcasm, anymore. :P