Action Against RMT Activity Involving Power Level

it looks like they spam the oynos knife/whetted molar vwnm too

http://www.ffxiah.com/item/10864/ocelo-headpiece
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/16504/oynos-knife

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Don't bother posting then if you have nothing worth saying. It's a forum.

Check out how World of Warcraft's economy is. There are RMT there but they aren't even a factor in the game. No one even bothers discussing them because money doesn't really mean much. You hardly need much money at all because the good items come from the content instead of from buying them. (inb4 WoW sux etc etc)

Ignorance isn't bliss, it's a sin. RMT's are directly responsible for everything that is whacked in the game. Because of RMT's, we can no longer benifit from choco blickers. Because of RMT's, we have to pay 180k for Legion, Because of RMT's, we can no longer send anyone more than 1M through Dbox, including our Mules, Because of RMT's, we have people who's never played the game before running around with relics. Because of RMT's....

I think posting that your idea was terrible was worth posting. The fact you don't want to hear it is not a good enough reason for people not to post they don't like it.

nope, sorry, players did that

Not related, gilsinks had to be added anyway because voidwatch was pure gil gain and dyna had been taken away.

I'll give you that, but who gives a ***? When was the last time you needed to DB over a mil for anything?

Nobody should care if they have relics. It's not effecting your gameplay.

RMT were not effecting FFXI in a negative manner. Now they probably will be.

Oh Dear Lord.

It's not that I didn't want to hear it, but I gave supporting arguments to my idea. Your counterargument was the equivalent of a 2-year old saying "nuh unh"

RMTs don't level accounts to sell them. People sell their accounts to people (non-RMT) or to RMTs. RMTs are the resellers. So the people responsible for people 'who have never played the game before running around with relics' are other players who gave up and sold their accounts for money.

Is selling acceptable but buying is not? They're the same thing in the same circumstance, it's just the role in the transaction switches between the two.


Your idea was terrible, move on.

Because legit players werent abusing the ***out of chocobo blinkers (see Comeatmebro, not attacking you here, am I wrong?).
Because 180k divided by 18-36 people is so fkn expensive for Legion.
Because RMT are the sole reason dynamis currency exists.

Your supporting arguments were terrible. Your idea was to force people to do specific content in order to achieve some of the biggest goals FFXI offers. As it stands, you can work toward an emp/relic by doing any gilmaking content you see fit, salvage for example.

Your idea forces anyone who wants a 99 emp to do Voidwatch and anyone who wants a relic to do dyna, when there is a large portion of the playerbase who vehemently despise those events but still enjoy other portions of the game. It's simply good business to allow players to work toward their goals doing the content that they want to do. Punishing the playerbase in order to attack RMT who will simply adjust is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Your arguments do not address the problem of RMT simply mercing the specific events needed for the drops for real money instead.

Incidentally, you've focused on the fact that Aeyela has not specifically addressed any of your arguments while ignoring the multiple people who have.

I'm sure no one in WoW has ever merced a soulbinding item in exchange for gold.

If it's such a terrible idea, and you think players will quit over it, then why does this game have so many fewer subscribers than MMO's who don't subscribe to this whole "money is everything" idea? You can keep calling my idea horrible. You can keep shutting it down because you don't like it. But it's already proven to be a better system. If you don't like the content where the good items are, then you should unsubscribe/quit, because by continuing your subscription, you are effectively exacerbating the problem.

Currently, if the content they come out with isn't good, you don't care b/c you just farm the content you've been farming, make gil, and then buy your goodies. In doing so, you tell SE, "yeah, this content is good. I'm still playing."

If the content they released was actually good, then my idea would be fine because everyone would be playing that good content instead of fishing in Beaucedine, farming dynamis/salvage, or mercing in abyssea, etc etc.

It's not even worth trying to explain... In short, terrible idea. Thank you for your contribution though. Where do I pick up my goody-bag?

This probably has less to do with the economic design and a lot more to do with it being a 10 year old game based on a PS2 platform.

Everyone loved farming coins for WoE Weapons (-1 Empys), and nobody complained. Ever.

Firstly, your opinion is not proven simply because you've chosen to share it on a public forum. Secondly, you can't base your 'fact' on the quantity of subscribers to this or any other game, considering the numerous factors that will encourage or discourage subscribers.

Thirdly, I dislike anyone who thinks it's their place to tell other people to quit this game if they don't like aspects of it. Get the *** over yourself you moron. "STFU or QUIT" is not an acceptable attitude. Ever.

WoE weapons weren't bad to farm for yourself because you only needed 30 coins. It still took ages to get them all because of random number generator crap, though.

REM weapons are a bit different and really wouldn't work because unlike the WoE weapons they were designed with the assumption you'd be buying the items in addition to farming them yourself. Now, farming a relic is possible, sure, but farming all the alex on your own would be ridiculously tedious and in the case of Empyreans, it'd actually be the worst one because of how horrible the random number generator is. Better hope you don't get a bunch of Riftdross instead of Riftcinder when you want cinder, too.

EDIT: It's worth mentioning that in other games legendary weapons do have a stage you can just buy though anyway, like Primordial Saronite for Shadowmourne and such. It's just that in other games most legendary weapons are structured more like Mythics where there's a bunch of stuff to do in addition to that, and nobody's going to bar you from events if you don't have one. REMs have gotten way out of hand in XI and there's simply no going back on it.

SE should just open a cash shop already. This company's sheer incompetence when it comes to almost everything is astounding considering the fact that one way to hurt RMT is to become your own source of crysta sales.

Want some gil?? Sure, buy it from SE.
Want some cosmetic rubbish? Sure, we've got that in the store too.

The point is, small adjustments through a cash shop would be worlds more harmful to RMT than the continuous cat and mouse games. Perhaps then SE could afford to staff this game and create new content that people could *** about.

Inb4 bawhaww my achievements will be crushed by someone swiping a CC to win. Protip: They won't be winning.

lol someone is getting mad. way to completely miss my point though. It had nothing to do with "stfu or quit" at all. Reading is hard?

The problem is it'd be hard for them to justify a subscription cost and the ability to buy things in-game for real money. There was enough uproar about the three small add-ons because it was effectively the same as buying the in-game items.


Ahhh, the 'umad' reply. Now I definitely know you're not worth my time. Good day.

Still having trouble reading it seems. lol no surprise. You suddenly get all bent out of shape because you failed to understand simple english. I'm just the one pointing it out. You still couldn't even give a decent argument yet. Although you did resort to namecalling. That's very mature.

Subscription cost should already be cut. How big is the FFXI staff compared to what it was 10 years ago?

Don't play many MMO's myself but I know that Eve Online sells their own currency and they still charge a monthly subscription. As with the RMT market, just because you can buy gil doesn't mean you have to in order to enjoy the game. I don't think the fear of getting banned is going to discourage anybody from buying gil, so I doubt that SE providing gil for additional money would cause any changes other than some forum whining and some serious competition for the RMT.

By this logic, the Call of Duty series and Farmville are some of the greatest games history has ever seen.





This is way beyond silly. Here is my playtime:



110+ days of that time have been spent on the Beaucedine Glacier cliff, if you know what I mean.

I'm in a 5 man Linkshell. We do Meebles, Ein, NNI, Salvage, Aby mercing, and whatever random stuff members need. I have fun doing these events. Not only that, most of these events help me further my progress toward my current major goal, 99 Ukon. Why on earth would I quit? It seems like there is plenty to do in this game, and I'm having fun.

No content is going to be universally loved. I'm sure there are people who love Dyna and Voidwatch. Okay, that's cool. I hope they enjoy doing what they want to do!

The idea that I would quit when I've just started and having fun just because I don't like 100% of the content is so far beyond ludicrous there are no words to capture it.

SE is so adamantly anti-RMT because JP players are so adamantly anti-RMT (it's a culture thing).

normally I would say doing something because a culture does it is stupid, but Japan does a lot of things based on "honor" and I'm sure I could come up with a few good reasons why maintaining honor is a good thing, but meh.

As far as the idea of letting RMT do what they want, as long as they aren't directly harming the other players, I can understand entirely, as there's no good way to get rid of them entirely, at least let them exist in their confined, possibly beneficial areas. I also see the issue where knowingly condoning such behavior while having it as policy could be a bad thing.

I've kind of always done my own thing in XI, so I don't really care either way...

Does the fact that the rmt market is based in China have anything to do with it? Or is it just the matter of someone piggybacking profits off their product?

kill them with fire!

What did you hope to prove with this picture?

You made the statement that it's more of a nuisance to see shout spam than having even more people competing in dynamis.

If this was sarcasm, you must know that idiots actually believe this, thus you shouldn't be shocked when people assume it is serious.

I fail to see how RMT's or people who hack a game do not affect a game in any way. There are also ways to make "gil from thin air" still - I.e. fishbots can still accomplish this.

I'm also guessing with the correct planning, deflation could be lucrative to RMT's as well, and not so much for the average player.

Also, in general response to some posts. If SE sold gil, the amount of gil buying would increase imo. I'm sure some people avoid doing it now for fear of the banhammer, maybe not a lot, but I'm sure a few do. Secondly, you would be buying it directly from SE, not some potentially shady outside company. Personally, I think mmo's have a lot of problems to solve, or continue dying as a genre. There needs to be enough content, challenges, and goals to keep people interested - but also needs to be made fun, and not like a chore or second job. I also feel that an mmo should do its best to level the playing field. I play ffxi because its a cheap form of entertainment. If I have any spare money I'd prefer to dump it into my kayak fishing (gas money!) hobby rather than equipment/subscription fees to duel box and/or virtual currency. If I began to feel more and more that I'd need to fork over more rl cash to keep up with my friends in ffxi, I'd definitely re-evaluate my video game entertainment.