Action Against RMT Activity Involving Power Level

Honestly, the RMT cleavers I've encountered have been friendly and helpful on most occasions.

The cleavers on Bismarck would let me leech for free because I'd give people harassing them ***for them, and the ones on Fenrir have invited me for a short time for free multiple times when I just needed a few hundred experience points for whatever reason.

Who can say that about 2005 RMT?

It may be set in stone.but it falls on the users to speak up if they were un fairly ban.

The fact that someone with a virulent, irrational hatred of RMT got banned for RMT honestly has me reasonably aroused.

Whether you'll cop to it or not, I'd bet you were 1000% in favor of hardcore secret police tactics against RMT up to that point.

maybe 2005 RMT were kind hearted, we just never gave them a chance =(

Far as I'm concerned I say let em stay.
1. They're providing a service that we can pay our legitimately earned gil for.
2. They'll put NM pop items in their bazaar for 1g if you ask thereby saving a lot of time for tier 1 farming.
3. The only "player impact" is an extra shout every 3-5 minutes in PJ. (You can't make the "but people won't know how to play their job" argument since that's true even if they did 1-99 on their own in abyssea)
4. RMT are here to stay so long as people are willing to buy gil. I'd rather they do this then trying to hack people's accounts.

I so agree with #4 and that alone is enough reason for me to leave them alone. Because SE won't do crap to really help people when accounts get hacked.

This. Or we can just go ahead and force them out of gil-making through ways that are actually offering a service to the playerbase which will lead to things like them monopolizing camps in Dyna. In 2005, they ruined the economy, AND got in the way of legitimate players trying to camp items from NMs. That's a big difference from what they're doing now. People need to move past the anti-RMT sentiment. They're inevitable in every MMO. They will not ever go away. Learn to deal with them being there, especially when they're offering a legitimate service to players.

Out of all the MMO's I think FF11 has tried its hardest to kill RMT. And they're still here.

I agree with Elgato. They will most likely be here till the day the server shuts down despite all of the attempts to get rid of them. I'd rather they do something like the FC than compete for NM pops/Camp Dynamis nonstop, and other various annoying things.

The problem is, having people shouting over and over in Port Jeuno is much more of a nuisance than the same cleaving RMT add their presence to already crowded dynamis areas.

RMT will remain here until there's no people buying gil. Which will never happen, because people have plainly told me in the face that they rather pay for virtual money and enjoy doing other things in-game than farming. Their reasoning being that they can make the real money faster than the in-game money.

So yeah, RMT will never die because of people like that.

The guy who runs Levi's RMT cleaves(Narua) was doing dyna-X with a couple chars that look like fresh leveled mules today. Hot.

We have had a group on Lakshmi going for a few weeks now. They enter as BST and THF, farm for two hours and then exit. A few minutes later two more BST and THF come in from the same linkshell with the same cheap bought gear and farm another two hours.

Repeat, repeat, they are farming some serious gil. The only good part is they often die to extenders so provide some amusing entertainment. The downside is they like going after NMs, even NMs they can't stagger (BLM, SMN.) All cheap gear, none quested or farmed. Rank 6 Bastok, random keymash names...

I think I saw them on a run before as well, a party of like 3 or 4 perle BSTs doing EPs. That was before this announcement was made though. I'm under the impression their FCs have slowed down a bit since blinker nerf happened so this was going to happen either way.

I have to wonder if its really worth the time investment to continuously grind up new characters just to farm dynamis...

I think there is more to this issue than just plain SE getting rid of the nice guy/not bothering anyone/helpful RMT's. Find it hard to believe it took them this long to go after this action for the sole purpose of banning RMT. Who knows, but I do feel everyone posting their opinion in this thread, including me, knows very little about why this decision was made.

I say let em be who cares. If anything they contribute to keeping the econmy going. For you clipper/flee hacking NNI mercs where do think the "Average Joe" is getting the gil for your crazy gorilla prices, Witch then turns out most of the time the nni mercs buing alex's/currency in bulk off others. If you dont like them dont use them.

The arguement you stated RMT's or NNI hackers in your case, is this then makes alexandrite or other consumables sky rocket in price because people using RMT gil or NNI hacks income don't care what price is. So although you can say, don't like it, don't use it. Everyone is affected regardless, RMT or NNI hackers.

Poor argument. To create inflation, significant amounts of gil will need to be created from thin air. This was certainly happening pre-crour nerf.

Post crour-nerf, via blinkerless fell cleave and dyna runs, RMT are simply shifting money around. No new gil, or very little, is created. For RMT/gil buyers to get currency, that currency must be taken away from someone else. Prices are not affected.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I could blist Dynamis players out of a zone. I do realize I can blist them out of shout spam.

RMT would practically disappear if gil was just made less valuable.
This could easily be done by not allowing the trading of so many items, particularly relic/mythic/empyrean currency.
Before all the crying about that idea, it would be too easy to offset this by increasing the drop rate of these items by a lot. Example - guaranteed heavy metal pouch drops, guaranteed riftcinder drops, 10 coins per proc'd kill in dynamis, etc etc.

Obviously not just these, but there are hundreds of items that could become untradeable and have their drop rate and/or availability increased so that instead of just farming/buying gil for everything, people actually have to do the work.

Just as an example, I think it's silly that people can 99 their empyreans without even touching Voidwatch.

That is without doubt one of the worst ideas that anyone has ever posted on these forums.

Why? Because you have a lot of gil? lol

You are silly.

The point of tradable items is to allow players to work toward their goals doing content they like to do, as opposed to being forced to do content they might like less in order to work toward a certain goal.

I am 60 dross and 1196 plates into 99 ukon with maybe 30 of those plates coming from Voidwatch. I have clears/atmacites/gear WAR needs, but I really don't like the content.

That's OK! I do like Aby tribox mercing a lot more than voidwatch! So, I fund my weapon through Aby mercs. Everyone is happy! Except you.

If your idea was implemented, I'd be forced to do voidwatch that I don't like to work toward one of my few goals, I'd quit, and SE would lose a customer.

Here is a tip: RMT are largely starving dudes in China. They want to get money to eat a lot more than you want to stop them. Whatever you or SE thinks up, they have all day, every day to think up a counter. If you reduce the value of gil, they will merc instead.

Botters gonna bot, and RMT gonna RMT. FF14 designed its entire original interface around it being bot proof. The result? Players hated it, and bots/RMT flourished anyway.

You can either work to soften the impact of bots and RMT without taking draconian action to stop them altogether, and have a largely happy playerbase, or you can design your entire game/interface around stopping bots/RMT, have a frustrated, unhappy playerbase, and still have the bots and RMT.

He clearly doesn't have a lot of gil, and it would take the little dynamic left to the game away.

I feel like your mere suggestion of the idea implies you won't grasp why it's a terrible idea no matter how hard people try to explain. Hence why I did not bother to even try on my first reply. Sorry. :-)

not sure if it was a legit player or not but there was a dude in xarc with 5 horribly geared similar drks assisting an ukon war with 4 smn and a sch mule that had the adl title, no pearl all -cats names

will be wonderful to have them clogging up the ??? even more

they all had hoarfrost blades, af3, no rajas/brutal etc

There was an anon taru shouting to sell provenance and NI100 drops here yesterday, best we could tell it was just a RMT trying to get people to pay upfront.

Really hope SE gets on top of that if china is doing ADL, lol.

had the same problem here on asura, dude wanted me to pay 20m upfront for helm, said they were killing PW as i spoke. went there to find no one in zone lol. just watch out for scammers, he would not settle for payment upon drop.