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*sigh* ok Sobek time
Seraph.Nelo
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By Seraph.Nelo 2012-12-02 00:39:12
Alright so I made a thread like this with Briareus and the answer was clear: just keep red proc'ing nm's. I did it, and now I am done. Sobek creates some new problems though and I'm wondering what route to take.
Claiming the Peiste nm is simply not an option. Or at least not a reliable one. This guy is camped nearly constantly, and honestly every claim lost feels like a huge waste of time. Don't get me wrong, if the opportunity shows itself I'll grab him, but not very reliable. Also I'm now on my own, soloing this. My job options are BLU PUP MNK COR THF. Anyone have suggestions on the best way to do this? Could I gold box farm as blu/war and solo sobek that way?
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-12-02 00:45:24
More than likely on the blu/war part, yeah. 85 content, etc etc. Should be a breeze. Even pup/war can handle biz if you do it right. Or just have your automaton solo ALL THE THINGS and just /thf for TH. But I would think blu would be better, simply due to being able to amber and azure easily (though pup can azure easy too)
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By Siren.Novadragon 2012-12-02 00:45:37
Nin/dnc can solo Sobek and farm amber/pearl lights. But you don't have that option >.<
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-12-02 00:46:26
Nin/dnc can solo Sobek and farm amber lights.
blu, pup, mnk, cor or thf is what he's trying to do this on.
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By Seraph.Nelo 2012-12-02 00:53:55
Also NIN can't gold box farm nearly as well as the other jobs. I'm assuming gold box is the best method for peiste nm. Luckily it seems to be one of the more common KI
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2012-12-02 00:55:08
Your options are pretty limited. Do you have anyone mercing emp items on your server? You have at least 3 viable dynamis solo jobs to fund it. Seems to me like the least painful way to go about this.
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By Sylph.Citrelautame 2012-12-02 00:59:23
CW kill the piests mobs for gold, ull make other players camping guku mad but hey it works, you'll get his claim once in awhile and while trying for that you could simply get his KI and/or the lizzies, but honestly its gonna end up faster just camping him on and fighting for pops, only reason the cleave method worked for me was becuase i was doing CC pops as well, i got Guku KI at probably 1/100+ gold chests on good days
Seraph.Nelo
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By Seraph.Nelo 2012-12-02 02:02:22
there's a few people merc'ing and I was thinking of going that route, or at least doing daily dyna and then trying to farm sobek the rest of the time. Having trouble finding good reliable methods of making gil outside of dyna though. Or I'd just buy all of them (probably faster xD)
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By Sylph.Citrelautame 2012-12-02 02:06:51
also it may take some time but some people do still want the +2 drops, can always try to form a shout group for that reason, 2 of his rarer drops are rather difficult (for abyssea) to come by besides him, the other guys who drop them are 2-3x more difficult to kill
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By Sylph.Traxus 2012-12-02 02:09:57
Not going to be efficient to goldbox farm for KIs solo (repeats, etc), but you could both cleave popsets and solo sobek as blu/nin. I wouldn't recommend blu/anythingthatisntnin for actually soloing sobek, blink is not reliable. Auto-attack + tyrant tusk back to back can easily kill you.
Personally I just did all the NMs solo as blu/nin, without gold box farming. You can get 5 total red procs with wotg crafting dagger/katana + katana merits and gear for cyclone and blade: ei. The KI drop rate without red in scars zones isn't that bad anyway, somewhere around 50-60% in my experience.
If you do need to try claiming guk against other people, use cannonball.
Seraph.Nelo
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By Seraph.Nelo 2012-12-02 02:14:40
Thanks for the tips guys, when I get done with the nm's/vnm's I'll just have to suck it up and try to get it done. Who knows maybe I'll find some help along the way.
Side note- Can anyone direct me to a thread that has a good strategy for soloing dynamis tavnazia? I know I'll make less gil there, but I'll still make gil and want to try it but so far met with little success on TE mobs.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-12-02 02:16:04
Not going to be efficient to goldbox farm for KIs solo (repeats, etc), but you could both cleave popsets and solo sobek as blu/nin. I wouldn't recommend blu/anythingthatisntnin for actually soloing sobek, blink is not reliable. Auto-attack + tyrant tusk back to back can easily kill you.
Personally I just did all the NMs solo as blu/nin, without gold box farming. You can get 5 total red procs with wotg crafting dagger/katana + katana merits and gear for cyclone and blade: ei. The KI drop rate without red in scars zones isn't that bad anyway, somewhere around 50-60% in my experience.
If you do need to try claiming guk against other people, use cannonball.
Can't you just stun lock sobek and wreck it with DD spells these days? You can aspir him and all.
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By Seraph.Nelo 2012-12-02 02:17:33
Idk seems sudden lunge causes most mobs to build stun resist pretty fast. Not sure if Sobek is in that list or not, never tried.
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By Sylph.Citrelautame 2012-12-02 02:18:24
only problem with sobek is tyrant tusk inflicts death if it does more than 50% of your current health, one missed stun on aga + that is death its rare but tricked me up a few times
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-12-02 02:20:57
Well I don't quite mean like 24/7 stun spam with lunge, but doing it fairly often. Because lunge does last awhile. *shrug* Just a thought. I know some spells are super strong with CA, and I'm sure you could take out most of it's hp with 1 combo.
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By Siren.Novadragon 2012-12-02 02:24:00
Well I don't quite mean like 24/7 stun spam with lunge, but doing it fairly often. Because lunge does last awhile. *shrug* Just a thought. I know some spells are super strong with CA, and I'm sure you could take out most of it's hp with 1 combo.
Don't forget his spells has some fast cast.
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By Sylph.Traxus 2012-12-02 03:13:38
Sobek builds resistance to stun fairly fast. I use it exclusively to stun spells (and tyrant tusk sometimes, but I usually don't bother), and he will be close to immune to sudden lunge by the end of the fight. As in, the stun is so short that you can't visibly see it (other than stopping spells/tp moves), and you will start to see some resists. You don't want to be throwing out random stuns.
Well I don't quite mean like 24/7 stun spam with lunge, but doing it fairly often. Because lunge does last awhile. *shrug* Just a thought. I know some spells are super strong with CA, and I'm sure you could take out most of it's hp with 1 combo.
Most of sobeks HP with 1 self skill chain? Umm no, not anywhere close.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-12-02 03:20:13
Trax, you don't think an Azure Lore > Benthic > Quad darkness would take out most of his hp?
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2012-12-02 03:25:58
Trax, you don't think an Azure Lore > Benthic > Quad darkness would take out most of his hp? Wild estimation here but I think he has ~100k+ HP. I'm not a blu expert but I would only expect 10-20% at most from a single combo.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-12-02 03:30:46
Trax, you don't think an Azure Lore > Benthic > Quad darkness would take out most of his hp? Wild estimation here but I think he has ~100k+ HP. I'm not a blu expert but I would only expect 10-20% at most from a single combo.
I guess I just remember him having less hp than that. OK, fair enough.
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By Sylph.Traxus 2012-12-02 03:43:52
Trax, you don't think an Azure Lore > Benthic > Quad darkness would take out most of his hp?
You'd probably do a little under 10% like that. You could do more with a longer azure lore skill chain obviously, but it becomes impractical when you need to stop your SC and stun a spell.
For reference, in close to ideal gear (before neo-nyzul came out anyway), with red curry and stalwarts, sobek took around 6 minutes to kill on average without azure lore. That's 2-3 self skillchains (vorpal > quadrastrike is what I used pre-almace on it) in that time period. You can't just go in and spam sudden lunge + physical spells and win.
It also takes a fair amount of evasion to cap on him (which you will want to do). Max cruor buff abyssites + gnarled horn + eva trait + the following gear set:
str shikargar/eva shikargar/aliyat chakram
ocel. head +1/torero torque/suppa/brutal
af3 body/ocelot hands/rajas/eponas
atheling mantle/twilight belt/ocelot legs/athos boots
was NOT enough to cap. I changed to blithe mantle and aurore (and later athos when I got it) body after a few kills.
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By Phoenix.Gaiarorshack 2012-12-02 03:46:36
transfer to phoenixs and buy the sobesk skins 200k a pieces from me.
however i can only deliver 3 pops a day so you will be gone for around 1-2 weeks.
all gil goes to supporting my whm's yagrush.
support RMT free mercenaries ^.^
Sylph.Citrelautame said: »only problem with sobek is tyrant tusk inflicts death if it does more than 50% of your current health, one missed stun on aga + that is death its rare but tricked me up a few times i have never died to this just make sure to a decent whm with you.
done my kannagin. gf alamace. my almace and merc out sobek. so done him enough time. i can only see this be any dangerous if you are soloing him
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2012-12-02 04:04:42
Sylph.Citrelautame said: »tyrant tusk inflicts death if it does more than 50% of your current health Is this substantiated? I've seen a solo WAR brew it with some ***ws and die to Tyrant Tusk, which I can't imagine is remotely possible with -90% PDT and 333/tick regen.
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By Asura.Aineko 2012-12-02 04:05:34
I haven't done Sobek solo, usually went with 3 people simply because I could.
The fight itself, well, if you're not on an evasion job, you're likely to get hit a fair bit. I'm sure Blu can handle it, but you're gonna want to watch your hp and stun as many blizzagas as you can. Thf might work too, though your healing options will be reduced, and you'll need to keep up steps to be able to stun. Biggest downside to using Thf is lack of red procs, you'll have to warp out after each fight. This might be worth it, though, if you're having trouble with claiming Gukumatz.
But if you're doing this solo, and absolutely refusing to camp Gukumatz, you're going to be there a long, long time. Boxes aren't very efficient unless you have a large number of characters to hold on to key items (mostly for multibox chars; if they are real players its often more efficient to just kill the NMs).
I would recommend trying to camp Gukumatz, even if there are 2-5 other people camping with you. If its regularly more than that, you may want to try to find a time when the zone is less packed, if possible.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2012-12-02 04:51:28
It can kill anyone left with <50% HP. With a brew, it's quite possible to die if the person hasn't fully recovered their HP. They would have to recover ~(4999-current hp) if I remember how brews work correctly.
Phoenix.Gaiarorshack said: »transfer to phoenixs and buy the sobesk skins 200k a pieces from me.
however i can only deliver 3 pops a day so you will be gone for around 1-2 weeks.
all gil goes to supporting my whm's yagrush.
support RMT free mercenaries ^.^
Sylph.Citrelautame said: »only problem with sobek is tyrant tusk inflicts death if it does more than 50% of your current health, one missed stun on aga + that is death its rare but tricked me up a few times i have never died to this just make sure to a decent whm with you.
done my kannagin. gf alamace. my almace and merc out sobek. so done him enough time. i can only see this be any dangerous if you are soloing him
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He is soloing him... that's the whole point of this thread. /sigh
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By Phoenix.Gaiarorshack 2012-12-02 06:05:29
It can kill anyone left with <50% HP. With a brew, it's quite possible to die if the person hasn't fully recovered their HP. They would have to recover ~(4999-current hp) if I remember how brews work correctly.
Phoenix.Gaiarorshack said: »transfer to phoenixs and buy the sobesk skins 200k a pieces from me.
however i can only deliver 3 pops a day so you will be gone for around 1-2 weeks.
all gil goes to supporting my whm's yagrush.
support RMT free mercenaries ^.^
Sylph.Citrelautame said: »only problem with sobek is tyrant tusk inflicts death if it does more than 50% of your current health, one missed stun on aga + that is death its rare but tricked me up a few times i have never died to this just make sure to a decent whm with you.
done my kannagin. gf alamace. my almace and merc out sobek. so done him enough time. i can only see this be any dangerous if you are soloing him
/blatantly advertising
He is soloing him... that's the whole point of this thread. /sigh
he did talk about maybe getting help along the way.
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By Shiva.Carrelo 2012-12-02 09:22:07
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »Sylph.Citrelautame said: »tyrant tusk inflicts death if it does more than 50% of your current health Is this substantiated? I did all of my Sobeks as THF + dualbox WHM. For the first few runs, I (futilely) subbed DNC in hopes of stunning Tyrant Tusk because I didn't believe the 50% HP KO thing. After getting one-shotted nearly every fight, I got tired of having to slowly poke it to death while weakened (because it would always manage to kill me again sometime around the 4min30sec mark >< lolol).
For the last 40 or so skins, I changed my approach and swapped out GH atma for Sanguine Scythe (significant HP boost without sacrificing too much offensive power). I also picked up a little extra HP by subbing WAR instead of DNC. I made sure to keep myself fully cured at all times, and--thanks to the extra HP--Tyrant Tusk never dropped me below 50%. I didn't die a single time, despite eating multiple Tyrant Tusks per fight.
To avoid Tyrant Tusk, I recommend setting an HP atma above all other options--sometimes you just can't stun it, and Sobek can get that move off before you even have time to swap into your MDT set. I do have a below average internet connection though, so maybe that's why. In any case, somewhere around 3000 HP should be a safe number assuming you have minimal damage reduction. If you're solo, you might also need to sacrifice kill speed for recovery; keeping yourself at or near 100% HP at all times is incredibly important and will occasionally require you to stop damage / TP feed while you heal.
Oh, and the main reason I started subbing WAR wasn't for the HP. When I first started, I would begin by gathering the KI as NIN (12/13 red procs) and then change to THF for Sobek itself. Farming pop items took forever though, so I got into the habit of quickly farming 2 of each (one for my main and one for my mule) right after killing Sobek (while I was still on THF). However, in order to maximize efficiency, it's best to at least try to claim Gukumatz whenever it's up--for me, this meant fighting it as THF sometimes. WAR sub ensured that I could proc it almost every time, despite not being NIN (<3 Pitchfork/Ark Scythe). Eventually, you'll kind of get into a rhythm. Farm pop items, try Guku, finish farming, try Guku, swap to NIN, try Guku, pop Minax/Sirrush, try Guku, finish Minax/Sirrush, finish Guku (hopefully), swap to THF ( set HP atma!!!), kill Sobek, repeat! :D
I didn't use gold boxes for a single one of my Sobek sets and it really didn't take me very long to finish (as opposed to Briareus, which seemed like FOREVER). Don't be discouraged. :D
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By Thorbean 2012-12-02 11:36:56
BLU has a rather easy time killing sobek safely. Set magic barrier and wear a half decent evasion set.
Tyrant tusk is no threat as long as you keep your hp above 50%. Magic barrier will ensure it hits for 0 damage 99% of the time. Winds of promy the bio off after and refresh your barrier.
Blizzaga is way easier to stun than T Tusk, so focus on that, and paralyga. Carry some remedies for the occassional para and remember to turn for awful eye.
Spells I set for him as /WAR solo:
Filamented Hold
Sub-Zero Smash (Any para spell will do, I just like the fast cast speed)
Magic barrier
Occultation
Actinic Burst (used when hp starts to drop near 50%)
Winds of Promy. (to get rid of bio)
Sudden Lunge
White Wind (with a good +HP set to back it up)
Benthic Typhoon
All spels for DW3
That should leave you with 5 set points and 5 spell slots open for whatever you like.
After T-Tusk, wait until he casts something you wanna stun, then use the stun time to recast barrier with no fear of eatting a -Ga mid cast. Always cast long cast time spells facing away from him.
I thought the same as you about claiming Guku when i started, but it's not as bad as it looks at first. Just keep track of his time of death and be there before he is due to pop. I found it best to keep moving around the camp too. If you are about to pop one of the other NM's and Guku is due up in 5-7 mins, hold on popping it and go camp Guku instead. Use the time he is claimed by someone else/dead to farm the other pops.
Its fairly easy to get an extra body or 2 if you offer the +2's. Even 1 extra person makes the whole thing alot simpler.
Good luck!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dova 2012-12-02 11:44:51
You should just COR qd kite it around everything. Not because I think it'll work or be your best option. But because I just want to see it happen. Nothing would be better than watching a cor run around lizzies with a sobek up qd kiting it.
Alright so I made a thread like this with Briareus and the answer was clear: just keep red proc'ing nm's. I did it, and now I am done. Sobek creates some new problems though and I'm wondering what route to take.
Claiming the Peiste nm is simply not an option. Or at least not a reliable one. This guy is camped nearly constantly, and honestly every claim lost feels like a huge waste of time. Don't get me wrong, if the opportunity shows itself I'll grab him, but not very reliable. Also I'm now on my own, soloing this. My job options are BLU PUP MNK COR THF. Anyone have suggestions on the best way to do this? Could I gold box farm as blu/war and solo sobek that way?
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