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 Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2012-10-22 21:55:32
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Asura.Bluespoons said: »
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Well concerning what he said in the last debate about women's equal rights... "I have binders full of women i can hire", which gave no ounce of insight towards equal pay for equal work, and simply stated that he could personally hire any woman he had in his binders. Sound a lot like call girls to me. Even Mormons are allowed polygamy in their religion, so i guess that justifies his response, amirite?

Mormons stopped practicing polygamy in the late 1800s. It's called research.

not really, if you had truly done your research you'd know this.

The LDS church excommunicates anyone who practices polygamy. Sure, offshoots of the church practice it, but they're not really Mormons.

Christians that shave their beards aren't really Christians.

That... made no sense.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2012-10-22 21:56:19
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Well concerning what he said in the last debate about women's equal rights... "I have binders full of women i can hire", which gave no ounce of insight towards equal pay for equal work, and simply stated that he could personally hire any woman he had in his binders. Sound a lot like call girls to me. Even Mormons are allowed polygamy in their religion, so i guess that justifies his response, amirite?

Mormons stopped practicing polygamy in the late 1800s. It's called research.

not really, if you had truly done your research you'd know this.

What do you call the church of latter day saints then?

The people that won't stay the *** off my doorstep.

(I love that movie)
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-10-22 21:56:40
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The fact that Romney touts marriage as between 'one man and one woman' when his church just recently came to grips with that concept (along with minorities) is amusing.

It's Republican rhetoric though, not Mormon rhetoric.
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By Asura.Bluespoons 2012-10-22 21:56:54
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Just because people do something their religion doesn't really tolerate doesn't make them into someone not from that religion. How are they not Mormons just because they do something their church doesn't like?

edit- The Bible says you shouldn't shave, so Christians that shave aren't really Christians?
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-10-22 21:58:12
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They aren't recognized by the Mormon church. And bluespoons you're making a very dangerous argument about stereotypes at the moment.
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By Fenrir.Moldtech 2012-10-22 21:58:31
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LMAO! Dude saying if it went on for 30 more minutes, Romney would've ended up endorsing Obama. >:)
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By Asura.Bluespoons 2012-10-22 21:58:41
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I just don't get it, I guess. Whatever.
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By Jetackuu 2012-10-22 21:59:25
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Well concerning what he said in the last debate about women's equal rights... "I have binders full of women i can hire", which gave no ounce of insight towards equal pay for equal work, and simply stated that he could personally hire any woman he had in his binders. Sound a lot like call girls to me. Even Mormons are allowed polygamy in their religion, so i guess that justifies his response, amirite?

Mormons stopped practicing polygamy in the late 1800s. It's called research.

not really, if you had truly done your research you'd know this.

The LDS church excommunicates anyone who practices polygamy. Sure, offshoots of the church practice it, but they're not really Mormons.

They still practiced it well into the 20th century, and yes they still are mormons.
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By Ragnarok.Kongming 2012-10-22 22:00:06
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
The fact that Romney touts marriage as between 'one man and one woman' when his church just recently came to grips with that concept (along with minorities) is amusing.
Oh please. As if a guy with gold plates in his hat could predict polygamy and gay marriage would be issues in the next 200 years.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-10-22 22:00:26
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
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The fact that Romney touts marriage as between 'one man and one woman' when his church just recently came to grips with that concept (along with minorities) is amusing.

It's Republican rhetoric though, not Mormon rhetoric.

And yet he still parrots it.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2012-10-22 22:00:52
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Jetackuu said: »
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Well concerning what he said in the last debate about women's equal rights... "I have binders full of women i can hire", which gave no ounce of insight towards equal pay for equal work, and simply stated that he could personally hire any woman he had in his binders. Sound a lot like call girls to me. Even Mormons are allowed polygamy in their religion, so i guess that justifies his response, amirite?

Mormons stopped practicing polygamy in the late 1800s. It's called research.

not really, if you had truly done your research you'd know this.

The LDS church excommunicates anyone who practices polygamy. Sure, offshoots of the church practice it, but they're not really Mormons.

They still practiced it well into the 20th century, and yes they still are mormons.

Oh, I'm sorry. I must have missed the part where the late 1800s went well into the 20th century.
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By Asura.Bluespoons 2012-10-22 22:01:58
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What is it that makes them into non Mormons? Before I make any other statement on it, I guess I need to understand this part.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-10-22 22:02:21
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The fact that Romney touts marriage as between 'one man and one woman' when his church just recently came to grips with that concept (along with minorities) is amusing.

It's Republican rhetoric though, not Mormon rhetoric.

And yet he still parrots it.
I agree he parrots Republican rhetoric.
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By Jetackuu 2012-10-22 22:02:37
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Like I said, you didn't really do your research...

or do you just don't simply understand the concept of not officially supporting something =/= doesn't practice it. Hell there's still sects today that still do it,and they are still mormons.
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By Fenrir.Moldtech 2012-10-22 22:03:22
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iirc, the mormoms "officially" quit practicing polygamy because it became illegal in the U.S. to practice it, off the books, they still practiced it.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-10-22 22:03:45
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What is it that makes them into non Mormons? Before I make any other statement on it, I guess I need to understand this part.
Because doctrine is separate from practice. What you do is separate from what is acceptable.

We have other religions that spew toxic doctrine and practice.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2012-10-22 22:05:28
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Well I guess you can call yourself whatever you want. But since this is a topic about the debate not about religion, it's safe to say that practicing polygamists do not belong to the same church as Mitt Romney, so it shouldn't even be brought up to begin with.
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By Asura.Bluespoons 2012-10-22 22:05:30
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All I'm getting from this is if you don't follow it to a T then you don't really belong to it, and I really do not get that. I'm tired, I'll read it tomorrow.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-10-22 22:05:40
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What is it that makes them into non Mormons? Before I make any other statement on it, I guess I need to understand this part.
Excommunication means the church no longer officially recognizes you as a member of the church. You can call yourself whatever you want, but the group no longer recognizes you as a member.
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By Jetackuu 2012-10-22 22:06:55
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What is it that makes them into non Mormons? Before I make any other statement on it, I guess I need to understand this part.
Excommunication means the church no longer officially recognizes you as a member of the church. You can call yourself whatever you want, but the group no longer recognizes you as a member.

which is truly irrelevant.
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By Asura.Bluespoons 2012-10-22 22:07:04
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What is it that makes them into non Mormons? Before I make any other statement on it, I guess I need to understand this part.
Excommunication means the church no longer officially recognizes you as a member of the church. You can call yourself whatever you want, but the group no longer recognizes you as a member.

So you're not part of that religion because it's not official?
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-10-22 22:08:46
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Not at all. Because the point that was originally made at the very least implies that Mormonism is wrong or hypocritical because even recently Mormons were polygamists. Which is false. Subsets may have been, and may still be, that doesn't taint the entire group.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-10-22 22:09:47
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What is it that makes them into non Mormons? Before I make any other statement on it, I guess I need to understand this part.
Excommunication means the church no longer officially recognizes you as a member of the church. You can call yourself whatever you want, but the group no longer recognizes you as a member.

So you're not part of that religion because it's not official?
You're not a part of what the religion teaches. Doctrine teaches that polygamy is wrong. Stereotyping all Mormons as polygamists because a subset of them are is wrong as well.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2012-10-22 22:09:53
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Asura.Bluespoons said: »
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What is it that makes them into non Mormons? Before I make any other statement on it, I guess I need to understand this part.
Excommunication means the church no longer officially recognizes you as a member of the church. You can call yourself whatever you want, but the group no longer recognizes you as a member.

So you're not part of that religion because it's not official?

I'm a part of the U.N., the Boy (and Girl) Scouts, the Harper Valley PTA, the Bloods and Crips, and the board of directors of every major U.S. company. Not officially, of course.
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By Jetackuu 2012-10-22 22:10:05
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no, it still is irrelevant.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-10-22 22:10:55
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So is the fact that some "Mormons" are polygamists.
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By Jetackuu 2012-10-22 22:11:29
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So is the fact that some "Mormons" are polygamists.

not entirely, but to this context: yes.
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By Asura.Bluespoons 2012-10-22 22:11:30
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Stereotyping them all as polygamists isn't what I was trying to do. But saying that if you are a polygamist that you aren't a Mormon seems wrong to me. Just because you don't follow your religion's 'rules' 100%, I don't see why that causes you to become a non member of that religion. Perhaps I read it wrong, like I said I'm tired as ***.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2012-10-22 22:11:57
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You're not a part of that particular line of faith within the church. Ie. You are excommunicated from being say, a member of the Church of Latterday Saints, but can still practice other faiths that fall in line with Christianity.

The same can be said about Catholocism, unless it comes down as a direct notion from the vatican. Which you are completely barred and excommunicated from all of it's services of any faith in it's line.

As a result, there are many other faiths born from being excommunicated, that still share many of the core beliefs, consider themselves of x faith (which realistically speaking they are, just not legally or in the eyes of the church they were excommunicated from) yet nothing is ever done to remove the dangerous mindsets of those twisting faiths to suit their own goals, such as the zionist church of christ of latterday saints.
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By Asura.Bluespoons 2012-10-22 22:13:05
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Who the *** has the right to say someone can't be of that faith anymore?
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