Borealis VS Caladbolg(90)

Really a 3240 loss in damage though? Debatable.

This. On many an occasion i have pressed my dusty wing macro and the delay was long enough, from pressing marco and item starting, to get 90+ tp. Thats with LR up, marches and haste and apoc instead of rag.

Press the macro half way through the current ws.

totally different for Cala where the AM is actually useful and you just want to pop a wing to get AM3 up.

lol.

I would use it for AM3 on Cala but that hurts its case vs Rag. With capped delay Wings are obviously hurting DPS. But no VW mob should live longer then 90 seconds.

With Am3 up and capped ACC I have Cala99 beating Rag99 by 6.5%. (less since I didn't factor in the single Torcleavor) If ACC is a factor Rag detroys Cala99. Also as mob Def and lvl increase Rags advange increases. (crits)

Moral of the story is 99Cala is a waste of gil, only because you can have 99Rag which is a superior weapon just about always.

That 3240 is with everything in favour of Calad though. As soon as LR is down or SE is up or the mob is higher level or your crit rate is lower or buffs aren't perfect, etc then it drops significantly. That also isn't factoring in atmacites which would benefit Ragna more than Calad (or rather Reso more than Torcleaver).

If conditions are ideal then yes Calad wins because 30% ODD is just plain better than 14% Crit Rate and I don't think any sane person can debate that. The crunch point seems to be how much sacrifice has to be made to maintain that ODD and how frequently conditions are going to be ideal.

And that's also completely overlooking Ragna's Acc. Whilst it's easy to go 'Acc is capped!', that simply isn't always the case even with Relics, nevermind with 40 acc missing. Only a few weeks ago I got lazy with DE/Aggressor against the Prov Watcher pre-req fights and somehow ended up at only 87% acc using Apoc.

16% OD2.5 and 14% Crit is equal to about 32% ODD. Remember Crits and OD2.5% can stack.

16% at OD2.5 would be 24%, not 32%.

I was counting the OD2.5 and crit rate as seperate entities. Or rather I was being lazy and assuming 16% OD2.5 to be the equivalent of the 20% ODD relics for simplicity purposes.

16% OD2.5 + 14% crit rate

Also thanks, yeah 16% OD2.5 is 24% ODD. (I had been using 20%)

When you add back in the crit rate its equal to around 36% ODD.

Critical hit rate has no effect on the rate of ODD.

Ofcourse not.

But its total impact on DPS can be made comparable.

Not really.

If the crit rate of both weapons were the same you'd be right, but as Rag has a naturally higher crit rate and crits are literally just a x1.476 damage proc at capped attack... yes it's a factor.

Sure it can. It just requires tweaking depending on the lvl,agi and def of the mob. Easily done by capping Att to eliminate one factor.

Then you back into the ODD required to have an equal DPS of a 16% OD2.5+14% crit weapon.

Not saying it's not a factor, but saying that 14% crit rate is roughly equivalent to 8% ODD is just wrong. They're not the same, they don't function the same.

Or you can do it properly and math out your crits AND OD2.5 instead of just throwing out 14% crit rate = 8% ODD on a specific mob.

That is doing it correctly since we are comparing 2 different weapons.

If you take a mob

You know that Cala needs to maintain a 36% ODD average to equal Rags OD2.5 and crit advantage.



Requires 33%

Unless you're capping crit rate (unlikely) or on one of those stupid legion floors I hear about that floor crit rate, you're always getting that 14% crit rate. We're not talking dDEX or anything.

Unfortunately, Taint, I have to agree your math is off:

( 3.075 * 1.08 ) / 2.25 = 1.476

0.476 * 0.14 = 0.06664

6.664% ODD equivalence (You'd divide by the 'gain' of ODD first actually, which is 1)

and 16% x2.5:

1.5 * 0.16 = 24% ODD equivalence though, so that part is right.

So 30.664% ODD equivalence all-told.

Is a false statement in the grand scheme of things. Sure, on one target they come out similar in damage, but saying it like you did there is incorrect.

Which is, unfortunately, very mob level specific if you do it like that.

Should we affect ODD by deficiencies in Accuracy then?

Because Rag has about 20% hitrate advantage if you wanna play the 'hard target' card.

Yes, there is no reason not to. No reason not to do it for initial swings of an attack round either.

I get what you are saying. The effect of the crit changes with the mob, I should have been more clear.

So explain to me how mob level affects crit rate from gear outside of these silly Legion floors that are zeroing the crit rate of even WARs. I'm very curious because as far as I know dDEX doesn't go negative and level has nothing to do with it, it's just a stupid effect or mob trait in those particular events.

I suppose you could say his crit rate has room to go up, which would devalue it slightly, but that's just being neurotic about it.

You mean besides cRatio?

Remember that joke about the trap card in the other thread? Yeah, that.

cRatio going down is actually going to increase the value of his crits, because they'll still be averaging about the same (capping 3.0 before secondary, and 8% critical attack bonus) while his normal pDif drops.

You know DRK's crits have always been weak because of the 3.0 cap on them, right? Level correction is just gonna start shaving that cap off.

It stays the goddamn same within about 10%. Get over it.

Duh. That's why I said comparing 14% crit to 8% ODD is not a good idea, because it's mob dependent. Same reason I said your math earlier was also mob dependent.

And no, I don't have a clue what joke you mean.

6.664% is the absolute minimum actually. It only climbs as pDif drops, albeit a tad slower as you drop below 2.0 cRatio and sub-3.0s start creeping in.