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Mary Jane and Your Balls
By Jetackuu 2012-09-11 22:59:41
Bismarck.Elanabelle said: »Jesi, while some of your points are valid (for once), you might be missing the bigger picture here. This study highlighted in this thread is only one of three recent studies that raise an eyebrow about the connection between male pot smokers and testicular cancer risk.
By no means is this study a "landmark" definitive study. I apologize for any mild hyperbole in my OP (it did get your attention though, didn't it!?).
However, the larger point remains valid, even without the results of this recent study ... marijuana is a drug. Drugs do things to the human body's physiology. Often, those things are bad. Often, those bad things are amplified in an adolescent's body, due to the amount of growth and neurotransmitter activity during that phase of life. Marijuana use isn't harmless. Period.
no, THC is a drug.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-09-11 23:05:07
By Kimble2013 2012-09-11 23:05:58
Doing test studies is a part of the scientific method so yes, its still "science"
I don't its really showing as "proof" but more that their studies have so far support the idea.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2012-09-11 23:07:17
both articles are a joke, really correlating that because less people with testicular cancer reported use of cocaine (not to mention self reports are nowhere near accurate) as proof that people who have the cancer aren't more willing to share is a joke, didn't they consider that some people smoked pot once in awhile, instead of trying to ruin their lives with some coke? /facepalm"
It's not a joke.
1) She's an Asst. Professor at the Keck School of Medicine
2) She specializes in Urology.
3) She does research USC Norris Comprehensive Cancer Center
4) Her research was publish in a peer-reviewed Cancer journal.
Her research and her institution are subject to scrutiny the minute she put her name on that paper: USC, Keck School of Medicine, and Norris Cancer Center on that research is what no one actually seems to understand. Do you really think she is going so lightly put on research or anyone from a recognized name college? NO.
Her university and department would be up her *** if she put anything out that was blatantly a lie or a joke.
And like Elanabelle mentioned either. Its extremely difficult to perform research on weed AND on humans. There are long lists of conditions. So before people on this thread start coming down saying this woman and her research are a joke they really need to look into her curriculum vitae, the conditions of her research and restrictions she was faced.
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By Bahamut.Feisei 2012-09-11 23:09:18
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »her research are a joke
Her research is a joke
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-09-11 23:11:14
There's a difference between forming an opinion and looking at research, and looking at research and forming an opinion.
It goes both ways btw.
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By Jetackuu 2012-09-11 23:11:43
yeah, they are jokes.
1. I don't give a *** who she is, it's a bad study.
2. again, don't care.
3. apparently bad research.
4. I'm surprised they didn't rip it apart, because it should be.
Apparently she did as anyone who reads it who has a brain can tell the flaws in that "study"
I'm saying it's a joke because there's flaws.
Not really, a joke is a joke.
Maybe if it means to just further investigate it, but to even publish it with such a small sample size is sad...
But I won't change you or Mr. Mensa's minds on this, so don't go getting your panties in a knot.
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By Carbuncle.Snoochybooch 2012-09-11 23:12:14
Bismarck.Elanabelle said: »Jesi, while some of your points are valid (for once), you might be missing the bigger picture here. This study highlighted in this thread is only one of three recent studies that raise an eyebrow about the connection between male pot smokers and testicular cancer risk.
By no means is this study a "landmark" definitive study. I apologize for any mild hyperbole in my OP (it did get your attention though, didn't it!?).
However, the larger point remains valid, even without the results of this recent study ... marijuana is a PLANT. Drugs do things to the human body's physiology. Often, those things are bad. Often, those bad things are amplified in an adolescent's body, due to the amount of growth and neurotransmitter activity during that phase of life. Marijuana use isn't harmless. Period.
no, THC is a drug.
FTFY Elan
By Gimp 2012-09-11 23:12:27
Guess I'm the only one who didn't know that Mary Jane meant pot, but that's because I'm a sheltered kid.
I really was hoping to see something about Mary Jane Watson because OMGWTFBBQSAUCE redheads are freaking amazing.
edit: and she's on my balls? *** yes!
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By Jetackuu 2012-09-11 23:13:00
Doing test studies is a part of the scientific method so yes, its still "science"
I don't its really showing as "proof" but more that their studies have so far support the idea.
too many variables, and "people said X" and "people didn't say Y" therefore Z doesn't really constitute as science.
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By Bahamut.Feisei 2012-09-11 23:13:13
REDHEADS GIMP! And hi, i was wondering when you would chime in since ever thread i post in you post in it seems. we might even derail is like before :x
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2012-09-11 23:14:16
Apparently she did as anyone who reads it who has a brain can tell the flaws in that "study"
Ok if thats the case explain why her research isn't be scrutinized by peers yet?
If you and EVERYONE on this forum think her research is extremely flawed contact her department and university.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-09-11 23:16:06
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »If you and EVERYONE on this forum think her research is extremely flawed contact her department and university.
By Jetackuu 2012-09-11 23:16:48
This is the part that gets me the most:
Quote: The researchers also discovered that men with a history of using cocaine had a reduced risk of both subtypes of testicular cancer. This finding suggests that men with testicular cancer are not simply more willing to report a history of using recreational drugs.
poor way to gather data aside, didn't they consider the fact that some people just wanted to smoke pot, and not try to ruin their lives with cocaine use?
Like I said, too many variables, and a joke.
By Jetackuu 2012-09-11 23:17:58
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Apparently she did as anyone who reads it who has a brain can tell the flaws in that "study"
Ok if thats the case explain why her research isn't be scrutinized by peers yet?
If you and EVERYONE on this forum think her research is extremely flawed contact her department and university.
you missed something sir:
But I won't change you or Mr. Mensa's minds on this, so don't go getting your panties in a knot.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2012-09-11 23:26:12
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »If you and EVERYONE on this forum think her research is extremely flawed contact her department and university.
Haha funny I forgot to laugh. I don't have humor on matters regarding harsh criticism of research. Particularly with someone with a solid curriculum vitae.
By Gimp 2012-09-11 23:26:14
REDHEADS GIMP! And hi, i was wondering when you would chime in since ever thread i post in you post in it seems. we might even derail is like before :x
I feel bad for saying this but I never noticed tbh. I thought this was something of mild to average interest so I clicked on it.
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By Carbuncle.Snoochybooch 2012-09-11 23:27:45
For people hating on pot
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-09-11 23:28:44
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »If you and EVERYONE on this forum think her research is extremely flawed contact her department and university.
Haha funny I forgot to laugh. I don't have humor on matters regarding harsh criticism of research. Particularly with someone with a solid curriculum vitae. Your not the only one in grad school. Relax, you're not going to convince everyone.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-09-11 23:28:57
I'm almost as baffled as there's a 7 page thread about this poor "science"
Like I said man, its a laughable topic.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2012-09-11 23:29:03
Maybe if it means to just further investigate it, but to even publish it with such a small sample size is sad...
Sad on whom? Her or the U.S. government who is imposing restrictions on her research?
So are you saying that no research should be publish or performed until the U.S. lifts current restrictions on THC/marijuana research?
By Kimble2013 2012-09-11 23:30:29
The fact the cocaine might some how have an effect to cure testicular cancer is interesting because if they can find what in it does that, they could be able to turn that into a cure to get rid of it. How is that a bad thing exactly?
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By Jetackuu 2012-09-11 23:30:54
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »If you and EVERYONE on this forum think her research is extremely flawed contact her department and university.
Haha funny I forgot to laugh. I don't have humor on matters regarding harsh criticism of research. Particularly with someone with a solid curriculum vitae.
because you're blinded by the title and can't see the research for what it is: half assed, even me can tell that there's too many variables to reach that conclusion, and that she assumed things when she shouldn't have, it's a joke.
If that's "truly" how research is done, then it's no wonder why they haven't cured cancer yet, they've been wasting money on these *** "researches."
By Jetackuu 2012-09-11 23:31:45
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Maybe if it means to just further investigate it, but to even publish it with such a small sample size is sad...
Sad on whom? Her or the U.S. government who is imposing restrictions on her research?
So are you saying that no research should be publish or performed until the U.S. lifts current restrictions on THC/marijuana research?
Sad on both, and that isn't real research.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2012-09-11 23:34:41
Your not the only one in grad school. Relax, you're not going to convince everyone. I am relaxed. I just wish people wouldn't be so harsh on small number research and realize the limitations the U.S. government has on researchers. I personally want more research conducted on THC and research restrictions to be lifted. Because that will w/o a question of doubt legalize it or not.
Sad on both, and that isn't real research. So then no research should be performed on marijuana that's fantastic lol People want marijuana legalized, but not willing to let researchers test it because the U.S. government has limitations on it. Seems everyone is at a loss.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2012-09-11 23:35:02
Wow, it's a non-clinical, human study. It's obviously going to be less than concrete. But this ***'s a necessary step towards conducted non- "half-assed" studies. Not sure why it's being taken as a personal affront.
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By Jetackuu 2012-09-11 23:35:08
The fact the cocaine might some how have an effect to cure testicular cancer is interesting because if they can find what in it does that, they could be able to turn that into a cure to get rid of it. How is that a bad thing exactly?
that isn't a fact at all, how in the hell did you derive that?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2012-09-11 23:36:21
The fact the cocaine might some how have an effect to cure testicular cancer is interesting because if they can find what in it does that, they could be able to turn that into a cure to get rid of it. How is that a bad thing exactly? Risk reducer, actually. Not a cure.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-09-11 23:37:04
There's a difference between preventative effects and a cure. Take care there, they really are two different things.
Edit: late
Edit2: but not as late as that lol
By Kimble2013 2012-09-11 23:37:24
The fact the cocaine might some how have an effect to cure testicular cancer is interesting because if they can find what in it does that, they could be able to turn that into a cure to get rid of it. How is that a bad thing exactly?
that isn't a fact at all, how in the hell did you derive that?
I'm sorry, I didn't mean it as an absolute "fact" but the idea (backed by a small study) that it can do that, is something worth looking into.
You should know what I mean. Don't get into semantics.
Apologies to the ladies ... this thread doesn't concern you (unless you have an adolescent son or brother who smokes pot).
There's mounting evidence that recreational marijuana use doubles a man's lifetime risk for Testicular Cancer. It's not the most deadly of cancers, as long as it's detected early. However, one common treatment for "curing" the cancer is to have the tumorous testicle removed surgically.
Is one of your "boys" worth the "high"? It's up to you.
Just wanted to help dispel the myth that marijuana is somehow a "harmless" drug. Lots of pot smokers have deluded themselves into believing their nasty habit won't cause any ill health effects. And while there's no doubt that marijuana is less hazardous than cocaine, heroin, or (arguably) even drinking alcohol ... that does NOT mean that marijuana is harmless. It isn't.
Sorry to burst your bubble, if you were riding that bubble.
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Edit: Adding this link to the OP (thank you to Baconwrap):
Link to a better Report
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