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 Cerberus.Keeo
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By Cerberus.Keeo 2012-09-12 07:34:59
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My mistake. You mean this was a serious thread?
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2012-09-12 07:38:34
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
I still think that people are way too adverse to the idea that marijuana might have some negative side effects; then again, OP is way too excited about it.
As a frequent user, obviously I don't want to believe it has any major negative side effects. That said, when research is returning smaller marginal changes than most placebo tests(of any sort) do, it's hard to put any faith in it. Studies are done to test a hypothesis, and heavily subject to confirmation bias. Going to venture a guess that they didn't design this study because they felt that marijuana had no effect on testicular cancer.

While I'd like to believe all scientists are unbiased and treat their data entirely statistically, that's not the case in the real world. If you spend months conducting a study, you want your hypothesis to be true. As such, you'll be much more likely to interpret/present your data as supporting evidence even if you don't outright manipulate any data.

Cerberus.Keeo said: »
My mistake. You mean this was a serious thread?
It's page 9, and people are discussing the methodology of peer review and the credibility of the study. Comments like that were all on page 1-2, and most of them weren't very funny then either.
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By Cerberus.Keeo 2012-09-12 07:46:58
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Well yes maybe I was trying to be funnier than I am but its hard to take a thread like this serious. What doesn’t cause cancer these days to much of one thing not enough of another.

Scientists have discovered that sun exposure may protect against some forms of cancer, despite increasing the risk of skin cancer.

http://www.business-standard.com/generalnews/news/lacksunlight-linked-to-various-cancers-scientists/54109/
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2012-09-12 07:50:08
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
I still think that people are way too adverse to the idea that marijuana might have some negative side effects; then again, OP is way too excited about it.
As a frequent user, obviously I don't want to believe it has any major negative side effects. That said, when research is returning smaller marginal changes than most placebo tests(of any sort) do, it's hard to put any faith in it. Studies are done to test a hypothesis, and heavily subject to confirmation bias. Going to venture a guess that they didn't design this study because they felt that marijuana had no effect on testicular cancer.

While I'd like to believe all scientists are unbiased and treat their data entirely statistically, that's not the case in the real world. If you spend months conducting a study, you want your hypothesis to be true. As such, you'll be much more likely to interpret/present your data as supporting evidence even if you don't outright manipulate any data.

Honestly, this study makes sense. I mean, smoking anything is bad for you. But really, the real study would come when you test other means of marijuana consumption, such as edibles or vaporization.

There are two large variables in this study, smoking and marijuana. The cancer link may only be associated with smoking, which is why the effect is so negligible compared to tobacco related smoking. The control group not only didn't use marijuana... but didn't smoke it either.

So until we see a study that doesn't already start with a shitty premise, I won't be convinced.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-09-12 08:02:48
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I'm sure everyone wants to think that there are no major side effects to anything they do but going into denial about or fighting the fact that their may be doesn't really discard the fact that there are... I would think those that use it frequently would be the ones that want to know the most... Would be the ones that try to find out if and what they are...
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2012-09-12 08:12:17
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I'm sure everyone wants to think that there are no major side effects to anything they do but going into denial about or fighting the fact that their may be doesn't really discard the fact that there are... I would think those that use it frequently would be the ones that want to know the most... Would be the ones that try to find out if and what they are...

My opinion has nothing to do with my want because I don't use marijuana. If it was a lethal drug, it has no effect on me one way or the other.

My opinion on the matter has to do with the faulty science. This specific study shows no specific link between marijuana and cancer because of the blaring fact that smoke inhalation has detrimental effects on the body.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2012-09-12 08:15:48
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I'm sure everyone wants to think that there are no major side effects to anything they do but going into denial about or fighting the fact that their may be doesn't really discard the fact that there are...
The problem is that it isn't fact that there are. People rabidly quote studies with horrible sample size, blatantly missing controls, many of which are funded by companies which stand to benefit from marijuana being cast in a negative light.

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I would think those that use it frequently would be the ones that want to know the most... Would be the ones that try to find out if and what they are...
Personally, I do want to know. That doesn't mean I'm going to take every study as fact without looking at the methodology and forming my own opinions. Studies are published in high disclosure so that educated people have the option of doing that, it's silly to say we shouldn't.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2012-09-12 09:12:59
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It's like performing a study on how cocaine sprinkled bullets hurt people. In the control group, you've got thousands of people who don't get shot in the face with cocaine sprinkled bullets, while in the other group, you have thousands of people who were shot in the face with cocaine sprinkled bullets.

"Shockingly", nearly every participant in the cocaine group died, therefore cocaine must have killed these people.

The gun and bullet are analogous to the smoke inhalation of this experiment, cocaine to the marijuana.

Anyone with any sense knows that the cocaine wasn't the cause, but that the gun and bullet were. Pay attention to all added variables to a study before you make conclusions, people.

This study shows no correlations between marijuana and testicular cancer. The only thing this study shows is a correlation between smoking marijuana and testicular cancer.
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By Asura.Zizek 2012-09-12 09:51:13
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good news, you don't need testicles to play ffxi
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-09-12 10:18:18
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Of course, frequent marijuana use has still been linked to acting like a complete moron on forums and thinking you're much funnier than you actually are(source: above poster and 1/3 this thread). People like that are the reason everyone wants to demonize it to begin with.

lol'd

I still think that people are way too adverse to the idea that marijuana might have some negative side effects; then again, OP is way too excited about it.
I think we've already established there are negative effects from smoking, and I think everyone accepts that.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-09-12 11:37:32
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OMG! Hev needs to throw in his story about the Tennessee Drug Task Force! That would make this thread!
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-09-12 11:54:23
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Asura.Zizek said: »
I see your Slayer and raise you a Becoming the Archetype



Again, never done weed, but I'd assume it's pretty sweet high.
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By Sylph.Decimus 2012-09-12 11:59:22
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Just eat gummy bears or everyone's favorite, brownies. No need to smoke.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-09-12 12:21:49
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Sylph.Decimus said: »
Just eat gummy bears or everyone's favorite, brownies. No need to smoke.

Says the guy with the avi from 'Workaholics'. :)
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-09-12 12:51:57
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Well at least we know that women are safe to smoke some weed...
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2012-09-12 12:56:54
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I still think alcohol is a worse drug.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-09-12 13:01:10
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Well at least we know that women are safe to smoke some weed...

You know, I really don't understand some of my friends who are still smoking. A few weeks ago we were at some friends' house, and one of my gal pals from college was trying to convince me the weed is totally harmless to fetuses while loading a bowl. Not convinced! Don't care! Not chancing it!

As many great memories as I have during my stoner phase, I really don't understand people who don't grow out of it. Maybe that's just me though.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-09-12 13:01:49
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Odin.Dirtyfinger said: »
I still think alcohol is a worse drug.
I still don't get why every time someone brings up a con for weed they go on and on about how other things are worse lol... Is there some latent need to justify it's use? To defend it to the world and show them how awesome it is and how much worse everything else is? lol...
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By Odin.Liela 2012-09-12 13:03:18
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Good god, no matter how 'harmless' or not it is I'd never touch the stuff if I was pregnant. Well, I've never used marijuana before (in any form) but if/when I start trying to have a baby, I'm not even going to touch caffeine. Risking my health, fine, whatever. Risking my baby's health? Uh, that's a no, a hell no, and nothing but the no. D:
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-09-12 13:04:06
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Well at least we know that women are safe to smoke some weed...
You know, I really don't understand some of my friends who are still smoking. A few weeks ago we were at some friends' house, and one of my gal pals from college was trying to convince me the weed is totally harmless to fetuses while loading a bowl. Not convinced! Don't care! Not chancing it! As many great memories I have during my stoner phase, I really don't understand people who don't grow out of it. Maybe that's just me though.
It's funny that you bring that up because I also know someone recently that was smoking weed while pregnant and touting that it does not affect the baby... personally I have no idea if that's true or not (though I reserve my doubt) but it kinda made me think of the kids that go... Well if the girl is on top then she can't get pregnant... I would have been slightly more impressed if they'd made an argument for gravity but yeah it was funny none the less and maybe a little sad...
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-09-12 13:06:50
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Odin.Liela said: »
Good god, no matter how 'harmless' or not it is I'd never touch the stuff if I was pregnant. Well, I've never used marijuana before (in any form) but if/when I start trying to have a baby, I'm not even going to touch caffeine. Risking my health, fine, whatever. Risking my baby's health? Uh, that's a no, a hell no, and nothing but the no. D:

HARDEST ADDICTION TO BUCK! I swear to God every morning when I smell it brewing, I fiend for it like no other!
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-09-12 13:18:22
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All this talk of weed amuses me. I think I've had greater issues breaking video game and soda habits more than anything else.

But we all have our little issues, don't we.
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By Odin.Liela 2012-09-12 13:19:29
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Soda is a stupid hard habit to break. :-( Why does it have to be so darned good!?
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-09-12 13:21:08
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
All this talk of weed amuses me. I think I've had greater issues breaking video game and soda habits more than anything else.

But we all have our little issues, don't we.

Totally with you! Weed is so easy to give up! LOL! Cigarettes and now caffeine made/make me grind my teeth.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-09-12 13:21:17
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
All this talk of weed amuses me. I think I've had greater issues breaking video game and soda habits more than anything else. But we all have our little issues, don't we.
Soda was pretty easy for me... I found the abrosiac drink known and minute maid fruit punch... that and about 12 years ago my dad got sick and then went on a health kick taking it all out of the house... lol.. I usually don't have it at my place but I almost always drink it when I go out to dinner...
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-09-12 13:22:28
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Odin.Liela said: »
Soda is a stupid hard habit to break. :-( Why does it have to be so darned good!?

It's so nice when you treat yourself one day out of the blue though. Fountain Coke is the nectar of the gods when you don't drink it often!
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-09-12 13:24:25
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Odin.Liela said: »
Soda is a stupid hard habit to break. :-( Why does it have to be so darned good!?
It's so nice when you treat yourself one day out of the blue though. Fountain Coke is the nectar of the gods when you don't drink it often!
Coke is only good when it comes from Domino's... I know it sounds crazy... but I swear to you... it's the truth...
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By Odin.Liela 2012-09-12 13:25:18
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Dr. Pepper is a vice, which has me in a vise-grip, because it's my vice.

Darn it all, I suck at word-play. The point is, Dr. Pepper!
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2012-09-12 13:25:44
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Odin.Dirtyfinger said: »
I still think alcohol is a worse drug.
I still don't get why every time someone brings up a con for weed they go on and on about how other things are worse lol... Is there some latent need to justify it's use? To defend it to the world and show them how awesome it is and how much worse everything else is? lol...
I don't get why someone who seems to have an early high school grasp of science is in the thread constantly mentioning negatives that haven't been proven.

Defending something you use? Natural. Best argument in favor of it? Probably not 'Tobacco is worse.', I agree.

Bashing something that has no effect on you? Silly. Your argument just amounts to 'because I said so' though, which is even worse than the people drawing comparisons to alcohol or cigarettes.
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