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Can Blinkering cause ban?
 Bismarck.Ramyrez
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2012-07-26 17:31:37
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
A lot of the people that did that didn't get banned.

A lot of the Japanese players that did it (and also did the buy items from NPC > craft them > sell to NPC at higher price WAY back) are still sitting on so much gil from that they're still some of the people driving inflation.

At least that's what I've heard. I'm not real tight with any Japanese players, but word of mouth from some Koreans that are would indicate that this is the case.
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By Odin.Sheelay 2012-07-26 17:34:56
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Bismarck.Bloodbathboy said: »
What the hell is blinkering anyways pls?? Keep hearing that term.

NPCing chocobo blinkers from abyssea
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2012-07-26 17:39:57
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Chocobo blinkers?? What's that . Never heard nor seen it. And I farm a lot of gold chest. Please explain. I have been hearing this term often lately and plp ask where I stand. Kind of sad when I say I have no idea, lol.
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By Asura.Izilder 2012-07-26 17:40:13
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Fenrir.Minjo said: »
I don't think they have a problem with the concept, but I know for certain they're aware that the game's economy will not stay afloat indefinitely as it stands.

Billions of gil per month rushing into exchange out of thin air is a very bad thing.


the US Goverment/Mint thinks this is JUST the way to fix a country - should work for a game ! xD

* edit i saw the title as "can Blinking get you banned"... i actually found myself trying to not blink at the screen for about 10 seconds lol.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-07-26 17:43:04
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Bismarck.Bloodbathboy said: »
Chocobo blinkers?? What's that . Never heard nor seen it. And I farm a lot of gold chest. Please explain. I have been hearing this term often lately and plp ask where I stand. Kind of sad when I say I have no idea, lol.

They're bought from Chocobo Tamer NPCs in Abyssea for Cruor. You can then sell them to an NPC for gil. It's essentially converting cruor to gil.
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By Bahamut.Kazius 2012-07-26 17:43:29
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Bismarck.Bloodbathboy said: »
Chocobo blinkers?? What's that . Never heard nor seen it. And I farm a lot of gold chest. Please explain. I have been hearing this term often lately and plp ask where I stand. Kind of sad when I say I have no idea, lol.

Go to Abyssea - Mis/Attohwa/Vunkerl, take Conflux #00, start any of the Rain/Warden II quests with the Resistance Sapper, talk to the Chocobo Tamer to buy Chocobo Blinkers with cruor.

Sell to any NPC that buys crap, works out at around 2.56:1 gil:cruor ratio at capped fame.
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By Ragnarok.Kongming 2012-07-26 17:54:56
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Ragnarok.Kongming said: »
More importantly, RMT prices for gil are approaching an all time low, which occurred during the last inflation.

All signs point to inflation. For me. I could be wrong.

Wasn't the last inflation a direct result of an RMT sale, and not mass gil creation?
There was a huge amount of gil coming in from fishing bots, and not just fish but rusty caps, when repaired (remember light crystal prices?), and the like sold to NPCs for pretty lucrative prices.

Then we saw the taskforce, and they added goblin bountyhunters, and now we even have restrictions on new accounts for fishing. Before they'd basically just get a free trial account and make millions of gil on it without even paying SE a penny. And that is what ultimately inspired change. SE cares so much as it influences their pocketbook.
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2012-07-26 18:06:22
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wow, no thx. Sounds like it takes a lot time. But thank you the explanation guys. Now I know what the term means.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2012-07-26 18:19:07
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It's extremely tedious even by FFXI standards. I did it once and never felt motivated enough to do it again.

Also, I didn't realize that was the purpose of the Goblin Bounty Hunters. That is awesome.
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By Odin.Sheelay 2012-07-26 18:27:53
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Bismarck.Bloodbathboy said: »
wow, no thx. Sounds like it takes a lot time. But thank you the explanation guys. Now I know what the term means.

It all comes down to what you have left to do with your cruor.

Once you brewed your stuff and upgraded your atmacite, all you are left with is a big pile of cruor growing larger (if you keep on exp'n or doing aby related stuff).

I usually npc blinkers once every couple hundred thousand cruor just to avoid wasting too much time in a single big round.
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By Solrain 2012-07-26 18:34:56
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Ragnarok.Evihime said: »
Can Blinkering cause ban?

No.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Janeiro 2012-07-26 18:45:21
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Burned 8mil cruor in one night, my thumbs had blisters, that's about the worst it'll get you D;
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By Sylph.Subadai 2012-07-26 23:43:08
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I think people who get banned for worse offenses just use blinkering as an excuse. Everybody I know sells blinkers, and none of them get banned.
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By Asura.Fattrav 2012-07-27 00:17:03
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Best thing to do would be post a video of it in the n/a official forums, wait 2 months for the j/p to pick it up and see if we get a dev warning.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-07-27 00:22:25
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Because JPs totally don't do cruor parties.
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-07-27 00:30:16
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Because JPs totally don't do cruor parties.

Because JPs totally don't cheat at nyzul.
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By Ragnarok.Evihime 2012-07-27 12:34:31
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Blood, blinkering is getting Chocobo Blinkers with cruors, and resell em to npc to make Gil.

Nice back btw lot of pullups and diet lol!
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2012-07-27 13:03:57
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Ragnarok.Kongming said: »
All I remember was an NPC in Tavnazia and I don't even know what item it was. Subligar maybe? Maybe something else. You could effectively cap your gil in well under an hour. Emergency maintenance, and bans were issued.

If something seems too good to be true, it is. Burning cruor to sell blinkers is not anyone's idea of what's too good to be true, so it would be very hard to call it an exploit. An exploit should be obvious, to anyone with common sense.

In Tavnasia, there was an NPC that, once you got beyOnd a certain CoP mission (can't recall which) , he would sell you the Barone Armor Set. Each piece could be bought for a few million, but you could resell to the same NPC for around a few hundred thousand profit. Spam that for a little while and you were rich.

Was it a programming error on SEs part,Like salvage, yep. But it was still what they consider an exploit, and they banned a lot of people that did it.
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By Avitori 2012-07-27 13:13:14
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Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »

In Tavnasia, there was an NPC that, once you got beyOnd a certain CoP mission (can't recall which) , he would sell you the Barone Armor Set. Each piece could be bought for a few million, but you could resell to the same NPC for around a few hundred thousand profit. Spam that for a little while and you were rich.

Was it a programming error on SEs part,Like salvage, yep. But it was still what they consider an exploit, and they banned a lot of people that did it.

I don't understand how this is an exploit when it is a part of the game. It's SE's fault if they didn't intend for it to be that way, how would the players know? Banning for that is stupid imo.
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By Ragnarok.Kongming 2012-07-27 13:20:02
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Avitori said: »
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »

In Tavnasia, there was an NPC that, once you got beyOnd a certain CoP mission (can't recall which) , he would sell you the Barone Armor Set. Each piece could be bought for a few million, but you could resell to the same NPC for around a few hundred thousand profit. Spam that for a little while and you were rich.

Was it a programming error on SEs part,Like salvage, yep. But it was still what they consider an exploit, and they banned a lot of people that did it.

I don't understand how this is an exploit when it is a part of the game. It's SE's fault if they didn't intend for it to be that way, how would the players know? Banning for that is stupid imo.
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-07-27 13:20:50
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Are you a >90 degree triangle? Because that sure was obtuse of you.






Sorry. Anyway, if instantaneous selling and reselling an item for a ridiculously unprecedented net gain of liquid gil didn't strike you as exploitative, I'm not entirely sure what kind of punishment would be suitable to fix your particular brand of stupid.

Even programmers have oversights, but it's the duty of the player to proceed wisely when confronted with something that's blatantly unintentional. If you want to roll the dice in such situations, you're really in no position to *** about the consequences.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-07-27 13:21:45
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Asura.Fondue said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Because JPs totally don't do cruor parties.

Because JPs totally don't cheat at nyzul.

Very large portion of them cannot '~'
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By Asura.Fattrav 2012-07-27 13:22:53
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back then the npc would set the buy price based on how many were sold to the npc. It was very common when new items were sold by npcs to be the first on the server to buy them and resell. The window to profit on this was usually a couple hours at best.

I think the most recent were the Barone and Banish 3. I remember buying Banish 3 for like 120k and reselling to npc for about a mil. Lasted about 15 minutes before the npc was buying at less than they were selling it for.
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-07-27 13:25:08
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I'm not sure I see the point in continued discussion. The bottom line is that you will not be banned for blinkering without a warning. Square may eventually wise up and put a stop to this, but you're going to hear about it well before Judgement Day.

Blinker until you're told to stop.
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2012-07-27 13:26:31
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Avitori said: »
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »

In Tavnasia, there was an NPC that, once you got beyOnd a certain CoP mission (can't recall which) , he would sell you the Barone Armor Set. Each piece could be bought for a few million, but you could resell to the same NPC for around a few hundred thousand profit. Spam that for a little while and you were rich.

Was it a programming error on SEs part,Like salvage, yep. But it was still what they consider an exploit, and they banned a lot of people that did it.

I don't understand how this is an exploit when it is a part of the game. It's SE's fault if they didn't intend for it to be that way, how would the players know? Banning for that is stupid imo.

I don't see why people got banned either. It was part of the original game code, and people found it. Again, same thing for Salvage. The game code allowed ppl to form an alliance, break the alliance into 3 separate parties right before an NM died, and each party get the same drops. Many who used it thought that, since it was a mistake on SEs part, they would get a warning at most.

I do however think that SE targets NA and EU far more than they do JP. Afte the original void walker NMs were introduced, some JPs figured out that you could get a an abyssite crystal, go out into somewhere like Rolanberry, and use a synergy portafurnace, and somehow the abyssite would upgrade to top level (I don't recall all the details, but that was the gist of it). SE did an emergency maintenance to fix this, and no one was banned. Again, JPs were the main offender
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-07-27 13:28:12
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Fenrir.Minjo said: »
Sorry. Anyway, if instantaneous selling and reselling an item for a ridiculously unprecedented net gain of liquid gil didn't strike you as exploitative, I'm not entirely sure what kind of punishment would be suitable to fix your particular brand of stupid.

That goes for Salvage, too.

I don't particularly agree with their choice of action, but to deny that it was well within their right to do is pretty asinine.
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By Ragnarok.Kongming 2012-07-27 13:37:53
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Fenrir.Minjo said: »
Are you a >90 degree triangle? Because that sure was obtuse of you.
It's been a while since trig, but isn't every triangle 180 degrees? Or are we speaking about the largest angle.

I really hate ruining your joke, as it was a good one.
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-07-27 13:39:36
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Largest angle. Damn you!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Chairman 2012-07-27 13:54:22
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The difference between the Tavnazia vendor bug and chocobo blinkers is that cruor to blinkers to gil is a one-way transaction. Your cruor becomes gil, and that's it; you can't turn around and buy more chocobo blinkers for less than you earned selling them. There's no feedback loop where your bankroll keeps getting bigger without limit.
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By Avitori 2012-07-31 12:32:20
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Apparently there is a script/bot that allows your character to buy blinkers and sell blinkers for you while afk. There is a guy on my server blinkering 100's of millions of gil at a time with 8-10 characters. The guy does literally nothing but cruor spam/blinker and is creating 100's of millions of gil out of thin air. While I don't know if this is going to cause a ban or not. I did report it to the STF as I can see this being a problem.


I don't see how you can make it more obvious ... lol
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