I'm normally pretty jaded when it comes to superfluous stuff that SE adds to the game but damn, that first boat trip to Whitegate was something I'll never forget.
There were like 30+ people crammed onto the dock in Mhaura anxiously awaiting the arrival of the boat - fishing and BSing with eachother - and as soon as we saw that ship come around the corner, there was such a feeling of excitement. Here it is after all this time. We're off to the uncharted land of Aht Urhgan! It was sort of a throwback to that feeling of excitement when the game was new and we took that ferry to Selbina for the first time (especially memorable to me since I started in Windy).
Once we departed, everyone anxiously went up to the deck. It was so exciting. Were we gonna get attacked by skeleton pirates? Corsairs? Some new Sea Horror? There were fish hopping out of the water, ***flying through the air, creepy ruins sticking out of the sea. Then you saw Whitegate in the distance and you just had to smile, thinking about all the new adventures that lay ahead.
There are not many scenarios like this left for a lot of us anymore. We've been playing this game forever, mostly out of habit. It's almost mundane at this point. Just to experience a small joy like this is priceless to many of us and a "hold on, I'll teleport you for 1,000 gil" just kills it for us out of the gate.
tldr; *** land, I'm on a boat, ***. *** trees, I climb buoys, ***. I'm on the deck with my boys, ***.
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Game Escape "Seekers of Adoulin" Interview
In SE's defense I slightly doubt the teleport is just gonna be, "hey guy, off you go" /fadetoblack. Given that the company is known for their love of showing off new things and love to blind players with shiny special effects for anything very important.
Example: blue door in hall of the gods literally has your character stop, watch the door light up and open before walking in and getting to the new shiny endgame area. Same with the door in sea to access the palace. Given the importance of gaining access to a whole new section of the world from one location I can imagine the teleport CS for when you enter could be dazzling. This is all just speculation of course.
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Artemicion said: » Carbuncle.Shokox said: » Kalilla, I don't understand how this makes SE lazy at all, I'm sorry. Lazy is not giving us an expansion at all and instead rehashing content continually. They've pulled out all the stops to give players a new expansion, I think players can cut them a little slack for not having a boatride. You must be unfamiliar with how Square-Enix introduces content and patches. I'm very familiar. Stop being stuck in the past. I give kudos to SE for being a lot more in touch with the community in the last 2 years than the last 8. Sometimes, I feel people here (and BG) fail to give SE the credit they deserve in 2012 (and 2011). If it does come down to a simple flashy door of teleportation, I would at least hope it perches us on a tall hill or mountain peak to have us overlooking the massive landscapes of this new continent. Followed by the unease of climbing down into the uncharted thickets of forest/jungle to find your own way to civilization, lest you get eaten by Gods know what, lurking in the shadows near your path.
Carbuncle.Shokox said: » Kalilla, I don't understand how this makes SE lazy at all, I'm sorry. Lazy is not giving us an expansion at all and instead rehashing content continually. They've pulled out all the stops to give players a new expansion, I think players can cut them a little slack for not having a boatride. You can't just say we are lucky we are even getting an expansion. If they were going to go another year releasing content like VW, legion, neo-nyzul... how long do you think players would stick around knowing this is all there ever will be. People already left and the ones who stayed stayed because of friends and making sure they kept geared up for what is to come. If there suddenly is nothing to look forward to why continue to put yourself through these horrible events? It is lazy ignoring player requests for something as simple as creating a boat to travel from one place to another. If they can't even say they will look into it then they plan to avoid as much work as possible while keeping the "image" of their expansion working. A boat would not throw off the lore, it is apart of it. How did the DRG npc travel here? How did furnishings from Adoulin end up here? Did they all talk to an NPC so they could come here? I think not.
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Carbuncle.Shokox said: » Artemicion said: » Carbuncle.Shokox said: » Kalilla, I don't understand how this makes SE lazy at all, I'm sorry. Lazy is not giving us an expansion at all and instead rehashing content continually. They've pulled out all the stops to give players a new expansion, I think players can cut them a little slack for not having a boatride. You must be unfamiliar with how Square-Enix introduces content and patches. I'm very familiar. Stop being stuck in the past. I give kudos to SE for being a lot more in touch with the community in the last 2 years than the last 8. Sometimes, I feel people here (and BG) fail to give SE the credit they deserve in 2012 (and 2011). There's a difference between being stuck in the past, and recognizing greatness, and simply being (justly) disappointed in the inability to deliver elements of previous acclaim. Carbuncle.Shokox said: » Artemicion said: » Carbuncle.Shokox said: » Kalilla, I don't understand how this makes SE lazy at all, I'm sorry. Lazy is not giving us an expansion at all and instead rehashing content continually. They've pulled out all the stops to give players a new expansion, I think players can cut them a little slack for not having a boatride. You must be unfamiliar with how Square-Enix introduces content and patches. I'm very familiar. Stop being stuck in the past. I give kudos to SE for being a lot more in touch with the community in the last 2 years than the last 8. Sometimes, I feel people here (and BG) fail to give SE the credit they deserve in 2012 (and 2011). If by "in touch with" you mean "we made some official forums to make people think that their suggestions matter" then yes. Give me one good reason that they had to cut the boat ride out entirely and couldn't just make it like ToAU's option system. The people that complained about taking the boat weren't forced to take the boat, but I am being forced to teleport.
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Solrain said: » Damn, I smiled when I read this entire post. I didn't feel the same way, but I remember my girlfriend feeling that way, flipping out and everything. I can understand, but a simple boat ride isn't all there is to an expansion. So many more new memories will be created playing the new content as well. @_@ Out of everything that was posted in the OP I can't believe were having a 3 page discussion on boat rides lol
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I think it's funny people are complaining about not having a boat ride...
That sounds neat on paper... like the first or second time. But if you're doing a 30 boat ride a few times a week that 'Magic of a boat ride' thing will disappear pretty quickly.
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Carbuncle.Gilder said: » Out of everything that was posted in the OP I can't believe were having a 3 page discussion on boat rides lol Mostly because SE's answers to the questions given were more or less predictable. The choice to have us exclusively teleported to the new continent for the expansion however, is worth somewhat of an uproar. Let's think positively though. Maybe the teleport will land us a certain distance from the central city so we'll get to have a "boat ride" of sorts but on foot.
Shiva.Gib said: » I think it's funny people are complaining about not having a boat ride... That sounds neat on paper... like the first or second time. But if you're doing a 30 boat ride a few times a week that 'Magic of a boat ride' thing will disappear pretty quickly. While it may seem like a novelty to many, and lacks the need for repetition, the value for first impressions and overall quality of presentation given for an entirely new expansion is priceless. We all appreciate convenience, but to shroud it as the only method of transportation and alienating the players that actually look forward to the substance underneath the surface of new gear and jobs, warrants our outcry.
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Let's not count our chickens before they hatch.
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Siren.Kalilla said: » Carbuncle.Shokox said: » Kalilla, I don't understand how this makes SE lazy at all, I'm sorry. Lazy is not giving us an expansion at all and instead rehashing content continually. They've pulled out all the stops to give players a new expansion, I think players can cut them a little slack for not having a boatride. You can't just say we are lucky we are even getting an expansion. If they were going to go another year releasing content like VW, legion, neo-nyzul... how long do you think players would stick around knowing this is all there ever will be. People already left and the ones who stayed stayed because of friends and making sure they kept geared up for what is to come. If there suddenly is nothing to look forward to why continue to put yourself through these horrible events? It is lazy ignoring player requests for something as simple as creating a boat to travel from one place to another. If they can't even say they will look into it then they plan to avoid as much work as possible while keeping the "image" of their expansion working. A boat would not throw off the lore, it is apart of it. How did the DRG npc travel here? How did furnishings from Adoulin end up here? Did they all talk to an NPC so they could come here? I think not. Oh come on now. I did not use the lore argument, but that goes on without saying-- of course the people in the new region and San d'Oria had trade relations. Something that was obviously done by boat or airship. This is the same thing as Tavnazia, boats and airships are a part of the lore there, as well. Should we complain about a lack of a physical boat or airship going to this region too? The "image" of the expansion is not tarnished by the lack of a boat. As Solrain said, only a player's feeling of being jaded because of a lack of initial anticipation. You're still going to have oodles of fun when you get to Adoulin regardless. Valefor.Prothescar said: » Carbuncle.Shokox said: » Artemicion said: » Carbuncle.Shokox said: » Kalilla, I don't understand how this makes SE lazy at all, I'm sorry. Lazy is not giving us an expansion at all and instead rehashing content continually. They've pulled out all the stops to give players a new expansion, I think players can cut them a little slack for not having a boatride. You must be unfamiliar with how Square-Enix introduces content and patches. I'm very familiar. Stop being stuck in the past. I give kudos to SE for being a lot more in touch with the community in the last 2 years than the last 8. Sometimes, I feel people here (and BG) fail to give SE the credit they deserve in 2012 (and 2011). If by "in touch with" you mean "we made some official forums to make people think that their suggestions matter" then yes. Give me one good reason that they had to cut the boat ride out entirely and couldn't just make it like ToAU's option system. The people that complained about taking the boat weren't forced to take the boat, but I am being forced to teleport. Argument holds no weight, because a good deal of actual needed changes and adjustments were listened to and made accordingly (albeit some changes were waaaaaaaaaaaaay slower than others). This amongst all of the regional forums. I don't fault SE for not listening to the streams of stupid requests that are made on the official forums. They however, do listen. Artemicion said: » Shiva.Gib said: » I think it's funny people are complaining about not having a boat ride... That sounds neat on paper... like the first or second time. But if you're doing a 30 boat ride a few times a week that 'Magic of a boat ride' thing will disappear pretty quickly. While it may seem like a novelty to many, and lacks the need for repetition, the value for first impressions and overall quality of presentation given for an entirely new expansion is priceless. We all appreciate convenience, but to shroud it as the only method of transportation and alienating the players that actually look forward to the substance underneath the surface of new gear and jobs, warrants our outcry. Carbuncle.Shokox said: » You're still going to have oodles of fun when you get to Adoulin regardless. Stands to be proven. WotG seemed like it'd be amazing fun too, fighting in the Crystal War! Knights and armies clashing! The shadow lord's armies looming in the dangerous and dark northlands! Clash! ...yeah. The most fun I had was being able to level my subs by doing basically nothing. And Fiat Lux. Subjective, but what seemed like an amazingly awesome concept ended up being pretty ***. Convenience is my only concern. I've had enough "unique" forms of transportation personally.
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I don't think a boat ride is a necessary form of travel in any FFXI expansion. I actually find them rather illogical in a world full of magic and teleportation. Although, I do recall some fond memories of my trips across the seas to new FFXI content, they aren't so amazing that I'd even remotely suggest that SE supply me with a 15 minute boat ride in this next expansion. I kind of feel like what was good in the past, wouldn't really be good now. A boat ride just doesn't excite me like it may have once in my earlier FFXI days.
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Carbuncle.Shokox said: » Siren.Kalilla said: » Carbuncle.Shokox said: » Kalilla, I don't understand how this makes SE lazy at all, I'm sorry. Lazy is not giving us an expansion at all and instead rehashing content continually. They've pulled out all the stops to give players a new expansion, I think players can cut them a little slack for not having a boatride. You can't just say we are lucky we are even getting an expansion. If they were going to go another year releasing content like VW, legion, neo-nyzul... how long do you think players would stick around knowing this is all there ever will be. People already left and the ones who stayed stayed because of friends and making sure they kept geared up for what is to come. If there suddenly is nothing to look forward to why continue to put yourself through these horrible events? It is lazy ignoring player requests for something as simple as creating a boat to travel from one place to another. If they can't even say they will look into it then they plan to avoid as much work as possible while keeping the "image" of their expansion working. A boat would not throw off the lore, it is apart of it. How did the DRG npc travel here? How did furnishings from Adoulin end up here? Did they all talk to an NPC so they could come here? I think not. Oh come on now. I did not use the lore argument, but that goes on without saying-- of course the people in the new region and San d'Oria had trade relations. Something that was obviously done by boat or airship. This is the same thing as Tavnazia, boats and airships are a part of the lore there, as well. Should we complain about a lack of a physical boat or airship going to this region too? The "image" of the expansion is not tarnished by the lack of a boat. As Solrain said, only a player's feeling of being jaded because of a lack of initial anticipation. You're still going to have oodles of fun when you get to Adoulin regardless. It's possible for them to justify a sudden teleportation there, as your given example for ending CoP 1-3, however, it would have to be driven by storyline and delivered in a more environmental process rather than some random NPCs with "special magics" to take you to a new far away land for "x" amount of gil or whatever items he has you fetch in exchange. This time we won't have a mothercrystal's light to mysteriously thrust us onto new land, so I hope SE gets creative with such an anticlimactic form of transportation.
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Shiva.Gib said: » There are other better ways to give an amazing first impression other then a 30 min boat ride that you have to repeat every time you forget to set your homepoint ect. ya know That of course is not to say more convenient outlets of transport won't be made available. However, I would love to hear some examples of what would be conducive to anticipation and climax of discovering a new continent. Valefor.Prothescar said: » Carbuncle.Shokox said: » You're still going to have oodles of fun when you get to Adoulin regardless. Stands to be proven. WotG seemed like it'd be amazing fun too, fighting in the Crystal War! Knights and armies clashing! The shadow lord's armies looming in the dangerous and dark northlands! Clash! ...yeah. The most fun I had was being able to level my subs by doing basically nothing. And Fiat Lux. Subjective, but what seemed like an amazingly awesome concept ended up being pretty ***. WoTG was an epically drawn out failure that pretty much rehashed old zones. In Adoulin you are getting completely new, uncharted zones. Everyone will draw much fun from from that, off top. Then we get 7 new, what seems to be HNM class mobs that freely room in the new zones and ties into the lore of the region. New jobs, and new crafts. Your own freaking farm, lol. Don't get delusional because of WoTG, that expansion was an epic failure on most accounts (the story was great though, even if it took 3 years to complete). Artemicion said: » Shiva.Gib said: » There are other better ways to give an amazing first impression other then a 30 min boat ride that you have to repeat every time you forget to set your homepoint ect. ya know That of course is not to say more convenient outlets of transport won't be made available. However, I would love to hear some examples of what would be conducive to anticipation and climax of discovering a new continent. Yea, I mean even ToAU's "shortcuts" require you to go to Whitegate and sign up as a mercenary before you can teleport via wildcat quests... Cerberus.Tikal said: » Let's not count our chickens before they hatch. it transports you to the new content,it doesnt need to take 30 minutes to do it. also, there will be PLENTY of new ocean area to fish so why fishing even came up as why you need a boat ride is just lol.
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I sincerely hope, with all my heart, while in their statement they meant the only "new" items being made just for them is af1/af2/af3 and mythic weapon, that they will be added on existing weapons such as Caladbolg for Rune Fencer.
I can only pray. Enuyasha said: » Cerberus.Tikal said: » Let's not count our chickens before they hatch. it transports you to the new content,it doesnt need to take 30 minutes to do it. also, there will be PLENTY of new ocean area to fish so why fishing even came up as why you need a boat ride is just lol. Again, you're going on the presumption that there will be something else to compromise for a lack of a vessel to take you there. Assuming anything on behalf of Square-Enix would be unwise. Especially when it comes to assuming there will be something to "make up for" the lack of something else. Teleportation doesn't obligate Squeenix to do anything more or extra for us, it simply means they have a lot less work to do. Enuyasha said: » Cerberus.Tikal said: » Let's not count our chickens before they hatch. it transports you to the new content,it doesnt need to take 30 minutes to do it. also, there will be PLENTY of new ocean area to fish so why fishing even came up as why you need a boat ride is just lol. yes, adding what is possibly one of the most basic zones in the game, a boat ride set, will be the difference between hard hitting, amazing content and no content.
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I think everyone's forgetting the fact that you could just pay the quest NPC and he'd teleport you to Wajaom.
I mean, really? I'm interested in content, not the first 15 minutes of getting to it.
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Just to point out too 'main mode of transportation a teleport-like warp.' So hopefully it won't be the only. Yes there will be no boat ride, but perhaps something a bit more developed (cs or w/e) than a simple tele spell for us.
Also I believe we are letting our nostalgic taking over us a bit. Yes the boat ride to White Gate was quite a memory, but do we want to relive it (not the feeling, but the same scene) again? would it create the same feeling? What else can we not-expect on a ship (especially if it's a trading ship.) It would've been cool if it was some sort of new transportation method. Underground rail tracks of some sort perhaps, like to the deserts. One can dream :3 Anyways I, like many other, really do enjoy the first time excitement of exploring new area and going into unknown, being unsure what to expect, and I would definitely voice my concern if the expansion show signs of not providing this, but so far I'm still optimistic :) The majority of you may not fish, but I do. I spent much of my time when I played on PS2 fishing, even made it to 100, and my favorite area was the ferry. This was then expanded to new boats with different types of large fish adapting to the habitat around them.
We don't know what is west of the middle lands, only what is east. For ToAU the boat ride there not much changed, but when you arrived there were new fish. Yes, many the same fish but with different names. I liked that, a lot. They did also introduce new fish as well. Adoulin promised new fish, but we will never know what is between Adoulin and the middle lands because of their decision. That may be all garbage to players who don't fish or strictly fish using a bot, but it matters to me and it is one of the first things I was disappointed about when I read the interview.
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