If they were going to mass ban people they wouldn't have made an announcement/warning in the first place--it serves no other purpose than to prevent future exploitation. They are obviously trying to fix what they consider to be a bug, and until that time, they want to reduce cheating as much as possible.
If they do mass ban people then they are officially more HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE than I realized and the announcement/warning serves absolutely no purpose. People are going to be banned no matter what at this point, so why inform people that the exploit exists before it's fixed?
"Don't say we didn't warn you" Comes to mind :S
but then again...if its an exploit against the ToS...the ToS should be warning enough...but sadly,this is why we cant have nice things.
With how easy things are now, half of them would probably just go on amazon buy a new copy for $10 and hit cap again in a few weeks. I don't see it being a huge loss for SE if they did ban that # of people.
I'm really enjoying the JPs prospective on this, about how NA/EU don't get punished while they do... As I recall wasn't it the JPs who were duping black abyssites when vwnm first came out with a portable synergy furnace bug, which led to them removing the portable synergy furnaces use range for a very long time. I'm not 100% sure but I don't recall hearing about any of those JP players being banned for what alot of people did get banned for during salvage, DUPING.
Unless they can conclusively say someone was cheating (like idiots who post vids on youtube of them doing it), noone will be banned. Even if they checked what files you're downloading on update, how do they prove the change isn't simply bad files without checkings your files on a near daily basis?
Lamps will just be moved server side (though hopefully order floors will be shot into the sun).
If they want to fix NNI, imo, just put checkpoint floors back in.
Even if SE banned players it still hasn't resolved the issue it's just putting the blame on people while the problem remains.
I'm still uncertain hown SE will handle these bans if they did it, since they are harder to figure out. Since its also possible to win Nyzul by getting just same time and code floors. At any rate if they ban hammered accounts pretty sure most servers will lose most decent/good linkshells since most of them have used either dats or more.
blame the idiots who posted a video of themselves doing it. Skip to about 11:50 in the video and you clearly see them using dat mods in /party then posting it for the world to see. No doubt these people will be on the list of those investigated by the STF. This video specifically is the one JP players pointed out.
If they ban for this they would have to ban for windower/spellcast usage too I'd think. I know several of the first 15/15 NNI gear people on Phoenix got temp banned for clippering through NNI and half of them had several previous temp bans for other third party stuff yet were allowed to come back after like 5 days so Id be pretty suprised if they ban anyone for this.
After reading the jp forums I cracked the *** up at them saying na/eu never get punished. I mean ***I was one of the people with there character banned from salvage dupes and I did it a total of one time. So yeah never punished my *** haha
If they ban for this they would have to ban for windower/spellcast usage too I'd think. I know several of the first 15/15 NNI gear people on Phoenix got temp banned for clippering through NNI and half of them had several previous temp bans for other third party stuff yet were allowed to come back after like 5 days so Id be pretty suprised if they ban anyone for this.
BTW it was the japanese who was complaining about NAs getting nyzul gear.
This is how this has come to light
blame the idiots who posted a video of themselves doing it. Skip to about 11:50 in the video and you clearly see them using dat mods in /party then posting it for the world to see. No doubt these people will be on the list of those investigated by the STF. This video specifically is the one JP players pointed out.
Yeah thats our groups video. The hilarious thing is we originally recorded it at the time to prove you could do Nyzul Isle without clipper / fleehacks / fillmode (Which we never used anyway) etc for BG, heck I think someone in our group even posted it on the official forums where the devs responded in that same thread and didnt even mention it. It's great that this is now only an issue when the JP's pick up on it.
We did all genuinly quit / play only very very occasionally now after the fail of the last few version updates, and nobody has been banned at all, but we'll keep you updated on that front. Remember people have been banned already for flee hacking in Nyzul, and those without prior warnings didnt get permanent bans. I think we all have a squeaky clean record, but I could see them making an example.
Tried viewing the video, but it keeps saying it's private so I'm unable to view it.
Did try reading through most of this but how and what are they doing to gain an advantage exactly?
Basically the lamps are changed so the number of the lamp is displayed. Lamp 01, Lamp 02 etc so order can be done without guessing, saving potentially several minutes or work.
Ya know, in all actuality, why doesn't SE just make the lanterns numbered themselves? Think about it: You don't eliminate having to find the lamps themselves, AND you eliminate any advantages by making it available to all players. They don't have to do any major coding such as making sure order floors never show up, it'd take as long as renaming 5 dats. Just change the mob locations to be more aggressively positioned around the lamps, and BOOM! difficulty maintained while eliminating the need for ToS violations. It's not like this is the ONLY obstacle a run can be shut down by, but its the only one players need to "hack" to pass well.
I'm well aware this solution makes way too much sense for SE to actually go with it though.
whelp good thing im 14/15 ^^and dont need that last piece
The whole "I got my ***sucks for you" thing is getting annoying now. After taking a two year break from the game and then coming back/catching up this stuff gets on my nerves. Yes you are 14/15 that's great so go tell someone who cares.
Ya know, in all actuality, why doesn't SE just make the lanterns numbered themselves? Think about it: You don't eliminate having to find the lamps themselves, AND you eliminate any advantages by making it available to all players. They don't have to do any major coding such as making sure order floors never show up, it'd take as long as renaming 5 dats. Just change the mob locations to be more aggressively positioned around the lamps, and BOOM! difficulty maintained while eliminating the need for ToS violations. It's not like this is the ONLY obstacle a run can be shut down by, but its the only one players need to "hack" to pass well.
I'm well aware this solution makes way too much sense for SE to actually go with it though.
EDIT: Reworded and edited a bit for clarity.
So many times this. Watching the video posted previously makes order lamps look quite fun when they have it numbered too...
Easiest solution I think would be to make NNI much easier thus devaluing the prestige of the gear and make Neo Salvage gear superior.
NNI F100 gear never was ment to be for everyone, I believe SE said as much which is why there was gear for floor 20-80, I don't see how they have a choice now since anyone with ~6mil could buy a win; a week in dyna per piece basically.
Either dumb it down or bans and "play it as intended" tunes because if they arn't going to ban 15/15 people then everyone else should be able to make 15/15 just as easily as they did, only fair.
Easiest solution I think would be to make NNI much easier thus devaluing the prestige of the gear and make Neo Salvage gear superior.
NNI F100 gear never was ment to be for everyone, I believe SE said as much which is why there was gear for floor 20-80, I don't see how they have a choice now since anyone with ~6mil could buy a win; a week in dyna per piece basically.
Either dumb it down or bans and "play it as intended" tunes because if they arn't going to ban 15/15 people then everyone else should be able to make 15/15 just as easily as they did, only fair.
The people who make these statements are always 0/15
Easiest solution I think would be to make NNI much easier thus devaluing the prestige of the gear and make Neo Salvage gear superior.
NNI F100 gear never was ment to be for everyone, I believe SE said as much which is why there was gear for floor 20-80, I don't see how they have a choice now since anyone with ~6mil could buy a win; a week in dyna per piece basically.
Either dumb it down or bans and "play it as intended" tunes because if they arn't going to ban 15/15 people then everyone else should be able to make 15/15 just as easily as they did, only fair.
The people who make these statements are always 0/15
You said that like you matter. You don't play fair, so type your witty rebuttal, but in the end, your accomplishments mean less.
I think a good fix would be to make it so that the people who have put effort into getting a Floor 100 Disc in Old Nyzul as well as the Captain Wildcat badge have a better chance at getting high floor jumps.
Or they could also make a system in which people can upgrade the NQ/+1/+2/+3 gear to Phorcys/Nares/Thaumas and charge Nyzul/Assault points as a service charge. They oughta know by now that nobody is gonna settle for that crap and should provide a better use for them instead of being tossed to the ground all the time. They recently added a similar service for people to obtain HQ VW bodies a bit easier, why not Nyzul?
We recently confirmed that there is a bug for Nyzul Isle assault where users are able to know the order of lamps via the usage of unintended exploits.
The development team is currently working to fix this as soon as possible, but please keep in mind that using third-party tools or any form of game exploit usage will not be tolerated and that we are continuously keeping track and dealing with this issue.
Finally, if you are aware of players possibly using exploits, we urge you to make a report to the Special Task Force to help facilitate our investigation.
