[Dev] Nyzul Isle Assault Bug

Well from what I've read.. people say otherwise..

*feels two cents slamming into forehead*

Has anyone arguing even considered that getting madmad over ANYTHING but super-weaps just might be a waste of time when there's a 5th expansion on the horizon?

Sure we could see side-grade syndrome again, but still... Its a bit hasty to be tearing each other apart over Nyzul or even crying over it being "impossible legitimately" or not when for all we know its mostly outdated in 6-10 months.

And yes I understand there's a point of how its impossible otherwise and sticking it to the man, which I'm all for because SE has done that ***too much. But come on...

I shall call this the great Mexi-Nyzul Standoff. In honor of the Legits, Cheats, and SE Devs.

Long time to be gimp. Do not want.

I got temp banned for using the "swords" event moogle to give perma-flee and lvl 1 status to cross large zones. No questions asked; just "you were found guilty of using third party tools to move across West Saruta faster than a normal player can and are temp banned for 72 hours" and before I could type WTF, I was logged out.

This means since I have 1 piece of nyzul gear, I'm in for a perma ban this time around (even though I paid someone for it!)

Did anybody get banned after the server came back up?
Or is it all just speculation going on still? >_>

WTF??!?!?! I was wondering where you were.

Have'nt heard anything, but its not in SE's nature to do things quickly. If they are going to drop the ban hammer it wont be or a few months I think.

Yeah that was so totally awesome. Mythics are so much easier to make now, why no excuse for anyone not to have one. We all know that if we stamp our feet and demand Tanaka to fix some that he will just cave in and make it easier. Not like he likes to "draw a line" or anything...

It's not easy now, no, but it's easier than it initially was.

hoo boy, and I thought just using scholar in any nyzul shout wouldn't be bad but...

well to be fair communication is very much key in this event so if either partys dont communicate well together the run will be a waste completely nyzul is not something where u can just go do ur own thing u have to work together teamwork is highly important and unfortunately auto translate isnt that great in something like VW where its highly easy to communicate what your trying to get across with procs nyzul is quite the opposite

This is all butt-frustration from people who can't clear nyzul. You can say all day that you, and people you know, clear without cheating. You can say you know console players who clear and they still QQ. OMG BANT ALL THE PEOPLEZ WITH GEARS BECAUSE I NO CAN HAS!

Granted most of the groups I know go with 3-4 relics / all relics/empyreans, or use the optimal job setups, but still.....
back in the day I leveled a job i could use to make content easier. I leveled Nin/pld for seperate parts of CoP. I leveled brd for some of ToaU events.... You just did what helped get ***done fast. Now it's 2012 where you can level a 99 job in one sitting and people *** about not being able to accomplish an event?

for shame vanadiel......

people have seem to lost a sense of this, the whole idea of when ur in a party and u can toss a cure toss one to help someone out. Rather then sit there and moan about it back when people did what was needed in a party to help the party as a whole @_@ i.e. Keep the whm alive because the sam cant raise us all when we die kind of thing... or the kind of idea of lvling/gearing a job for the good of the ls to help the ls as a whole. It rly blows my mind when people get all pissy to come to event as a job their ls leader asks of them its just for an event to help the ls things that help the ls should help you so coming a job that is needed and important shouldnt be issues to people but yea @_@ vana'diel has changed some for the better some for worse, but past and present both have its good and bad imo.

I also think the use or lack of heavy DD and I mean well geared/know what they are doing DD can make or break you :/

u want to win 4 HEAVY AWESOME DD who work well together and communicate i.e. Not bunching to kill one mob but rather taking seperate rooms for kill all floors 2 sch who communcate and share and ready for buffs before floor up i.e. use stratagems before floor up cast spells right as u floor up so the DD can run away onto the objective little things like this make a big difference and rly do help your runs to be more succseffull :D

^ This!!! Honestly, in Nyzul every SECOND counts. It's these little things that make the biggest difference between success and failure, not "cheating". I've had many times where my group has made it to floor 100 but timed out while fighting the boss. Reflecting on our runs, there's always something we could've done better to save that extra few seconds, because that 100 boss is a joke and can be taken down in less than a minute. As mentioned by these two, having 4 competent, exceptionally geared DDs, and 2 very good SCH are the key to winning this.

all this QQ makes me want to get my old group together to make a video of the possibility of Nyzul without cheating lmao

and yea every second counts and going with a stati is better because u can change and improve things from last time if you go with random groups idk how people expect to win lol

ok

With or without bots, dats, and more, have you ever heard of a nin, thf, or any other jobs like that complete it? I would like to have my other char get some of that gear, but not only will no one let me on those jobs, but they are useless in neo nyzul. SE doesnt need to go after the people using these cheats, they need to make it so anyone can obtain the gear. No matter what job they have or dont have. I will not spend my time lvling a job I do not want to play or already have lvled on another acocunt so I can get the gear.

It takes a week to level and gear a job to a decent enough level for NNI, if you give yourself 2 weeks you can make a pretty solid build.
That's really how the game works these days, and that's probably what they had in mind when they made the event.

Oh and the lamps are not the problem, least not all of them. Get rid of order. That's it as far as lamps. Either that or make the jumps able to be larger, or some way to save progress. Only people who have gotten ban so far are the idiots using ~illegal programs to cheat.~ Dats are a way to fix their BS. order = failed run. all there is too it.

Not that I dont agree with the speed of lvling a job, however like everyone else who plays, I pay for this game and am not willing to spend 2 weeks of my time gearing a job I do not want to play. People who do this are the people who come on sch and ask what embrava is. >.>

They aren't going to remove anything.

This event is a filler/bottleneck event and unless players are getting gear too fast (like now) then they won't do a damn thing about it.

If SE wanted to make the event fairer - which I doubt they want to since it'd just be over that much sooner - they wouldn't have to abolish order floors, but just number the lamps for everyone. Would make it much easier on everyone, allow xbox players to get into groups easier etc. In fact, if they did number the lamps then ORDER would be preferable to to SAME TIME and I'm certain it would be easier for them to implement #1-#5 over scratching the entire objective from the event. But then again, I really doubt they intend on making it easier or everyone would have their ultimate gear within no time.

Well we go
Rag WAR / DRK (same guy, 95 Rag)
Ukon WAR
DRG (99 AH lance, also a Mandau / Twashtar thief)
BLU (me) (Also 99 Rag WAR/DRK)

SCH x 2.

We've been debating having our DRG switch to his THF as he's now 4/5 Thaumas and it's godly geared. We'll probably try it out and see how it goes.

Having a very well geared BLU/WAR along is amazing. They need 5/5 Req with a WS set, and preferably CDC.

I would say there's a strong focus more so on having experienced DD than very awesome geared. I use my SAM usually in nni & its def not the best (99Kanto, before i started got Phorcys gear used cheap substitutes like Spiral ring heafoc mitts ace's body etc.), but having a lot of experience with nyzul 1.0 it was easy for me to understand the type of speed needed to blow through 2.0 after the first run. With Embrava up, youre gear isnt AS MUCH of a focus as being able to understand the objective on each floor & quickly *** what needs to be done to move up *pop flee boots/sprinters, use oil/powder or just run it*. I believe jobs could vary quite a bit in nni as long as the player knows their job to its fullest & can remain just as effective with the actual climbing.

To go with what Saevel said, we have a BLU in our group & even before he got some thaumas gear, he was wrecking probably just as well our 90 ukon war *well geared* so im sure youre BLU does just as good. Although the gear DOES make a difference, it cant substitute for skill/experience. What im getting at is i think your THF will do well because he is aware of what is expected of him & there are things each job can offer to the group that others cant, in his case more flees, & a quick hate removal for sight aggro mobs on lamp floors.

btw for the millionth time, just quit mentioning se dropping order floors =/. As Kalilla said, its not happening no matter how much everyone thinks theyre pointless. Id rather try to talk about different strategies/job combos that could help others to succeed. Its a little early for me so sorry if i made a few mistakes & the repetitiveness.

We mention dropping order floors because a CR (Camate I think) specifically asked about lamp floors. It was in the thread where everyone was complaining about how random it was.

I honestly do think SE is now taking a hard look at the event. They won't make it easier, but I do think they might remove some randomness from it.

And communication / experience is definitely the most important aspect. The most uber gear in the world won't save a run from a brain dead DD.

Can someone explain to me the benefit of Requiescat? I have space for it but I'd like to understand the use of it since I'm happy with CDC atm and it can already self darkness.

I heard that Requiscat isn't affected by the -PDT of that one custard for enemy leader floor, is that what it's useful for?

I agree there are jobs and such that are useful, but there are still some that are not. Also gear doesn't play a big roll with Embrava up and all but the problem once again is order = fail. SE has mentioned the problem and because of this you cant say that they are not going to consider something.

Requiescat ignores all -PDT, is 5 hits (6 /NIN), 1.2 fTP per hit and 100% MND. It's also -20% attack which cripples it's damage on high defense targets.

It's helpful on anything that has -DT, so bones / ghosts / mouses / that one Flan NM. Since most of the monsters in NNI are DC's and very few NMs have high defense, the damage on Requiescat is pretty high. I typically do 2.4 ~ 3K as BLU/WAR with bison steak. CDC is the better overall WS, but Requiescat is definitely nice to have. You bring a BLU to handle all those situations that would normally screw over other DD's.

NVM ~ See above.