[Dev] Nyzul Isle Assault Bug

I hope they remember to ban all the people using moogle dats, nude dats and makeup dats as well.
Will be nice to have like 2 servers worth of people left.

You keep using "easy mode" but you don't know what it means or have poor reading comprehension skills.

What people want is an event that others would want to do thus earning their gear rather than paying mercs selling pieces for 5-10m/pc armed to the teeth with cheats to win. Nyzul with this change does nothing more than discourage the cheaters and further make the event unfriendly to PUG/casual groups.

If SE wants to make this event completely useless then they are doing a good job of it. The cheaters will have their gear and everyone else won't.

Balance?

Oh no you didn't!

What I find funny is everybody complain about the luck you need to succed the run. FFXI is base on luck and random. You go hunt an HNM in the day, you get lucky to claim, you get lucky to win the rolls. You go in dynamis back in the day, you get lucky if your item drop, you get lucky if you random. You go to BCNM, you get lucky if your items drop. You go to VW, you get lucky if you have a drop exept log.

FFXI is like a big casino but it drops items instead and it cost you only 15 bucks a month.

The only thing that change in NNI is where the random is. Instead of luck on droping an items, its luck on the run which I think it's the same thing.

Everybody (including me) that is DD, loved to see the big number (which you can control a little bit) but over 100 WS, one is worth of "WOW thats nice" but its like the casino, you hope inside of you for that number just like you hope for that jackpot.

Sorry for mistakes, my english is my second language :) and good maintenace!

Drop rate is one thing, hoping to even have a chance at getting to the mob that drops something, is an entire different matter.

Really the only thing SE had to do was just adding more floors to old Nyzul, leave it exactly the same way just with stronger mobs...the hell is this idiocy!

This.
It should be instant register, then the problem would have been solved.

Except no. All events aren't created equal nor are risk/reward ratios.

We've seen good systems like ZNM where droprates were decent and the chorework constant (points for pictures) alongside rubbish like VNM where the drops were random and the chorework random (GL w/t2 upgrades) and depending on the ratio the event has either failed, enjoyed moderate success or winds up a hit. I'd argue ZNM was a moderate success, VNM was a failure and Nyzul was a huge success.

Guess where Nyzul II is?

Actually if you want to upgrade your T2 to T3 quickly find people who need to kill T2 VNMs for magian trials as to make their life miserable the stone usually upgrades outright to T3 on the first or second fight (out of four or six, mind you). The game is intentionally coded to be a time sink (no more like a time black hole, seriously).

If they ban for this, they need to ban anyone who ever used Windower. Ever.

You can't pick and choose when a 3rd party tool is acceptable and when it is not. Distance plug in, Party TP, fillmodes, Recast, hell even Spell Cast and Windower Macros are a violation of ToS.

Lets ban 99% of the playing population and shut the servers down tomorrow.

I don't want to hear "yea but .dat mods in nyzul gave an unfair advantage."

Everything about windower gives an unfair advantage. Its all situational though. My party can not-wipe better than yours because my mages know they are at 20.1 distance and won't get ripped apart by AoE and yours will. Its hard when eyeballing and its risky because if they are at 19.9 and get hit it could screw your whole battle up. Unfair advantage.

I can gear swap and be more effective because I have windower macros and you don't. Unfair advantage.

I know when all my spells are ready to be cast again because I have recast plug in and you don't. Unfair advantage.

Do people with windower get banned? No. Because the tool is made to make the game better.

The only reason they never cut down on windower is because they know that its a legit program that is actually made very well and should have been in the game in the first place.

Come on SE...

The biggest note: ban everyone with floor 100 gear?

That would be the stupidest thing they could do. It would pretty much confirm that SE knows no one can win without cheating. No one. They would look like a bunch of clowns.

"You won even once? Must of cheated." Really? Then why is the event in its current state? I doubt they would do this but thinking that they would is just dumb.

They don't want to admit that the event is ridiculously difficult and luck based when you don't use .dat swaps.

The lamp order floors should have been named "Lamp 1, Lamp 2, etc.." from the get go. Having everyone run around the floor, get to a lamp, and execute in the proper order is enough of a time sink. Never mind guessing 3+ times at minimum.

If you go in with two sch 4 heavy GOOD DD your whole group of six with common sense and know how of the best way to play their job and use their logic when it comes to lamps and such then your runs at that point yes do rely on luck of your floor jumps. Did my group succeed every run, no. Did we get screwed by shitty floor jumps, yes. But at the same time we all completed our sets of nyzul gear and haters gonna hate but u dont need "bugs,hacks" w/e to win nyzul honestly you need competent players and good 2 sch and 4 DD. When I hear of the set ups people use and then complain about not hitting floor 100 it makes me shake my head honestly or when I hear stuff like all DD sj thf ... i mean really @_@ focus on floor 100 ... because some if not most times wont have the time to lot/pass fast enough on floor 100 for the gear and floor 100 gear from the treasure pool can and does get dropped to the floor because of time out lol so prioritize completing to floor 100 so you can pick ur gear rly. Communication is HUGE and i honeslty think the difference of time while using a voice chatting progam such as mumble skype or vent or TS is rly going to shave time to allow you to better optimize your run and give you the better results

And that's why Abyssea was so popular. Besides initially figuring out the proc system and the annoying VNM system they imported over for some stupid reason, there was barely any luck involved.

On a related note, Ruthven can eat a sack of shadowless vampire penises.

I hope SE moves quickly, so this very circular thread can start moving forward again ~.~

Sub thf? What is this 2004?

You don't like the 17 pages of mad!?

very true, as i said before, all it takes is putting the time in with 1 team (20-30+ runs with the right setup and good players) and make sure you get better every run. pick the things that slow you down, improve. most ppl who win, often win with 3-5 min or more left. still realistic to win for those groups who can no longer see lamp order after fix.

just makes the "luck" factor more of a factor.

Claiming an HNM isn't luck. That is just the nature of the thing. Only one pops every so often and you need to be fast enough/in the right spot at the right time.

The NNI lamps are flat out LUCK based. There is no amount of preparation, skill, strategy to getting the lamps done in the right order and I think this is the biggest beef the player base has with this thing.

How frustrating is it to get to floor 90 with 5 minutes left and its lamp order. Without .dat swaps? You're pretty much done unless you get LUCKY.

If there is 5 lamps you can literally be on that floor for 5-7 minutes trying to get it right by the time you find all the lamps, get 5 people stationed at each one and try the different orders. In a 30minute mission there is no way you can win if you waste that much time on a single floor.

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3rd party tools are the devil
Everyone uses 3rd party tools
FFXI is the devil

Get on with it SE for all of our sakes plz

lol the correct lamps in the order stay on and the delay before you can try order again is not that long.

not trying to insult you, but do you know how lamps work? did you do them often at 75?

To be fair, SE didn't intend for people to be using Ventrillo/Skype either. I wouldn't put it on the same level as dats/clipper but it's still an "unfair" advantage because, I agree, it's extremely useful to have voice chat in Nyzul.

nothing "unfair" about it, its just an advantage. even an adroid can get on vent, players can also add phone calls to skype i think for those who only have phones.

I'm not insulted :)

Let's say its 5 lamps, and you take 3 tries to get it right.

That is 45 seconds of cool down time alone. Never mind actually running around, finding the lamps, each person clicking theirs and saying "next." It could be 3+ minutes easy on that floor when it could have been 1min - 1:30 seconds if the order was given to you (my opinion order should be given and the challenge is getting to all the lamps and doing it in the right order...that still takes some level of coordination/time). Thats the difference in winning and losing and I know because it has happened to us.


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Don't want the order to be given? Then drastically reduce the cool down so that it is almost instant. That would probably make it more level.

Edit Edit: We have had 5 lamp order floors where the maps were just ridiculously huge and it took a good minute + just to get everyone to a lamp. Add the multiple tries and that floor is already taking far too much time.

and people would still lose either way and *** about it lol

You forgot the argument about SCH vs BLM. It hasn't popped up yet in this thread, but give it time.

And if you guess 0-2 correct in the first wave of a 5-lamp test, you're still stuck with 2-4 relights to get it right and you're burning 5+ minutes on one floor.

I'd be ok with losing if we didn't lose because of a cheap, lazy game mechanic :)

If we lost because we didn't clear a kill all fast enough or because someone didnt cure a SAM that got 1 shotted by a bad TP move then fine. Not because a 5 lamp order floor on a huge map took us 4 tries to get it right. Esp after getting to the 90s with ample time to finish if we didn't get a joke floor like that.

yeap and the funny thing about this is back in the day when i started myself and other friends on ps2 or pc would do a group call over the landline lmao @_@ yea might seem lame to some but it was fun way to play the game also i started the game with irl friends some of which moved across the usa so it was a nice way to hang out together. Also technically anything can be argued as "unfair" say someone has something like ADD or maybe a learning dissability or say someone just lacks common sense do those who dont have those things have an unfair advantage? Or like some say when tiger woods got his lasik eye surgury he has 20/15 vision ... some argue that is the equivent of steroids considering eyesight is a big part of golf... unfair advantage? you see where i am going with this right ^^? basicly to each their own all the arguements are opinions which everyone is entitled to their own ~

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OMG THIS CANNOT stress that enough when you even replace ONE person in a static it throws things off @_@ its not a BAD thing having a different person but it sure makes the run different when u static you get a flow and adapt to the way your friends play so you can make your group work best ^^

For all of our sakes, leave your account deactivated & get off current topics you know nothing about. Thats all

Sorry to burst your irrelevant bubble but I deactivated at the end of May, meaning I did NIv2 for 3 months, so yeah, I'm behind on the event by all of 2 months, I'm sure so much has changed. Not.

So... what about BLM vs SCH in Nyzul isle?