[Dev] Nyzul Isle Assault Bug

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The facts surrounding this whole deal are pretty straightforward, and I feel that when the basics are considered, it's pretty easy to arrive at the solutions that make the most sense.

1) The majority of players who have obtained floor 100 have either used 3rd party tools such as clipper, Apradar, fillmode, or dat swaps themselves, or had members in their group using them. At this point, this is not an unfair assumption.

2) It is against the terms of service to use said tools.

3) Nyzul Isle is a poorly designed event, as is most of the content that has been introduced in the past year since Tanaka's return. It was clearly intended to be a stall event until they had some real content to keep us busy. Players were upset, and tired of getting the finger from SE's shoddy dev. team trying to screw them.

4) A LOT of people have colored outside the lines and gotten this gear.

To simply make the lamps server side to "fix a bug" doesn't solve any problems, in fact it sends a clear message to the player base that if you want to get the gear, you need to cheat. And you need to cheat quickly. So many players are already 15/15 that have used this exploit that making the gear harder to get at this point is a big F U to the already declining playerbase of the game.

This really only leaves two "Fair" solutions.

1) Permanent ban of all players who used exploits to get nyzul gear. The precedent for this has already been set with the salvage bans. If you were cheating to get items, and you get banned, you have no one to blame but yourself.

2) Number the lamps in the event, and for the players that achieved the gear via exploits up to this point, remove their nyzul gear, temporary ban of first offenders, permanent ban of second offenders.

Simply making it harder to get the gear from this point on and not punishing those that obtained it sends a very, very poor message to the playerbase, and further cements SE's image of being an inconsistent company with no vision of where they want their game to go.

Can we seriously stop blaming this guy for EVERYTHING? He's was one man, who didn't even call every shot. Get off this guy's nuts. He's gone already lol.

Also nyzul isn't that "poorly designed". It has challenging aspects to it which is what they wanted. It's a challenge to clear all those mobs within the time frames and there is a luck factor involved with your jumps. Blah blah artificial difficulty =/= diffult event. I get it. Point is, it's still not a 100% win even if you .dat swap. Which means it has other challenging aspects. Like my LS timed out one time on the floor 100 boss cuz they lost 1m on a gear aggro, and the goat thingie kept spamming that AoE stun (I want to say it's cackle). It is a challenge and it's fun just as it is (at least to me). I wish I had an actual steady group to go with, as I've only done PUG to get my 2 pieces.

It's not a 100% win with swaps, and it's barely a 2% win without. As far as level of challenge goes, this is an MMO. People that cry and say that want "more challenge" are more often than not saying "I want it to be harder for other people to get the same gear as me". If this wasn't the case and people truly wanted to challenge themselves, we wouldn't have had people using 3rd party tools in the first place and 4x 2H DD 2X sch Embrava only setups.

The event is a design trainwreck. This thread's existence is proof of that.

Nah it was a run the LS did without me, but yeah. The order lamps aren't nearly as difficult as people are claiming. Just takes getting a lil lucky but also knowing how to actually do them (like in regular NI). Granted you see a lot more of them in neo because of how many floors you have to traverse, but seriously, I wouldn't say 2% win without it... come on. There are all console NNI groups, I'm sure.

Yeah, please come up with a fair solution to identify who cheats and who doesn't, that those vent/skype users don't escape(or else it's not fair that only players using /p chat to communicate got banned, those who used vent/skype users got away)

The real fair solution for this is to remove the order lamp completely, so those who haven't cheat early still gets the same advantage as those who already cheated, and deal with the fact that everyone will be running in F100 pieces. If they want to ban .dat swap players, that's fine, but it won't be a fair execution unless they can detect who .dat swap who doesn't.

It's not 2% without. Would people please stop spreading *** like this?

Well... It's entirely possible to have a 2% win rate. ^^; There is no lower bounds for failure other than 0%.

My static will only be starting on NNI next week, so I'll wait and see how it goes for myself before complaining.
I mean when event first came out, all I heard was floor 100 is next to impossible. Soon after it was possible with 6 perfectly geared players using flee tools. Soon after that start hearing a decent win rate without flee tools. Soon after that start hearing of high clear rate with less than perfect DD. Then people getting high clear rate with 5 or even 4 people.
No doubt it will make it harder but meh.

"Fair?"

If I use voip on a secondary computer while playing on a console I should be banned because I didn't use /p to communicate?

You keep saying "fair." "Fair" is subjective. What's "fair" to me may not be "fair" to you. When I read "fair," all I think of is a crying child.

Except when referring to someone's appearance. In that case, carry on.

Nope, sorry. Whoever told you that is lying.

Neo-Nyzul is easier than abyssea. You are fighting mobs you 1-2 hit with weaponskills, while being buffed with embrava+regenga5 for almost infinite TP/almost infinite HP regen. While being almost invincible, you are also doing very easy tasks that require minimal brain thought. The hardest part of nyzul is stunning certain bosses properly and your SCH being decently fast with -na's. Challenging? No Lottery based complete RNG? Yes.

Tera dungeons+hardmodes are challenging, WOW hardmodes are challenging, neo-nyuzl(and almost all events added since the level cap increase) is not.

If it really was THAT simple everybody would have 15/15 and this wouldn't even be an issue.

Everyone doesn't have 15/15 because it's completely RNG and luck based.
Anyone using 3rd party tools going every 3-4 days pretty much got 15/15 long ago.

Neo-nyzul is one of the worst designed events in any long-lasting MMO. I have never played any other MMO where I was required to cheat and use illegal 3rd party tools to beat an event.

Without lamp .dat swaps you will beat the event ONLY if you get even luckier than already required at the moment, by never getting order lamp foors or getting the order on the first try. The fact they didn't completely disable the event after 1 week of release and redesign it is laughable.

Hook me up please!!!

I stopped reading there. You obviously have never done the event so your opinion is invalid. If you seriously think abyssea is harder than neo-nyzul just ... lol

I have nares gear.

Must have gotten carried pretty hard then, abyssea is a joke, and comparing the two is pretty HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.

nyzul is easy after you have done it with 1 team a large # of runs together, enough where lamp fix wont be too bad. but easier than abyssea is a stretch lol.

I hope for your sake you are joking. If not....

Said before saying again: There will be no bans if SE cannot produce a way to properly exclude nonhacking players with X/15.

If SE wants to eliminate the issue with lamps, they should number them in the official default files. Everyone has the same "advantage", noone can *** about lamps anymore. Cut. Print. Dry.

If anything, this "warning" is probably designed to lure hacking players into trying to spam the event before it's "nerfed" while 1500 invisible GMs patrol the whole area for irrefutable evidence.

Isn't windower a 3rd party tool? how many pics are there with the little 0.0 in the corner for drawdistance etc? not defending ppl cheating at nyzul Isle but there is plenty of documented proof of ppl using "3rd party tools" spell cast? etc..

Think people are mistaking difficulty for artificial difficulty introduced by random occurrence again. Abyssea being harder than Nyzul? Absolutely not, a ridiculous notion, however Abyssea and Nyzul are equally dumbfuck easy, the difference between the two being that one has an immense luck requirement. Luck and randomization don't equate to "difficulty", they equate to luck and randomization.