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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-07-22 10:49:54
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I too find you to be a tad boastful for a man of God.

I don't think the Lord would approve of your lack of humility.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-07-22 10:52:03
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Asura.Calatilla said: »
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I dont get why the jps are in an uproar about this i have seen plenty of jps 5/5. Its not that hard my old group had quite a few runs when we didnt get order lamps though our success rate was absolutely rubbish 1/4 or 0/4. Only people that are moaning about this are the 0/15 perle aby burned dds who have no chance at getting nyzul isle unharted gear. If people want to cheat let them. SE will probably catch them hopefully none of us legit players who have nyzul isle gear dont get hit and no im not 15/15. Im 7/15 and not a single cheat used since im on xbox. Won lot on 2 pieces of that gear so 5 wins out of a month or two.
You rode the coat feathers of others, like dozens of people have rode mine.

I don't see how someone who is actively participating in the event is riding anyone's coat tails. If you're just standing there doing nothing for the entire run then yes, but not if you're killing/hitting lamps etc like everyone else in the pt.
Someone is constantly directing them on which directions too run because someone else can see through walls and they can't. Which may not seem very detrimental too you if you are not a regular participant of the event, but anyone who is will know exactly what im talking about.
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By Odin.Creaucent 2012-07-22 10:52:22
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Not being big headed but from what my friend, who was in the same group, told me once i parted ways (arguement with the leader about them starting whenever they wanted even though it was supposed start at a certain time) they have stopped winning and i was on sch :/ i think they picked up two lazy schs.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-07-22 10:52:30
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Fenrir.Minjo said: »
I too find you to be a tad boastful for a man of God.

I don't think the Lord would approve of your lack of humility.
Conquered, been seriously working on that.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-07-22 10:54:45
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Odin.Creaucent said: »
Not being big headed but from what my friend, who was in the same group, told me once i parted ways (arguement with the leader about them starting whenever they wanted even though it was supposed start at a certain time) they have stopped winning and i was on sch :/ i think they picked up two lazy schs.
SCHs need too refresh Phalanx and Regen V on every floor. Most groups don't do either and are constantly dying.

If anyone wants thorough tips on how too win PM a skype account. None of my tips are ground breaking in and of them selfs but if you combine all of them you will save anywhere from 2~4 mins each run, which can be crucial.

Edit: Never wait for the sch's too get it off, but they try their best too get it off.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-07-22 10:55:45
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Blu.
If theres 4~5 mobs+ clumped in a corridor have the Mnk pop Fanatics and counterstance everything while everyone travels deeper inside.
Terrible reason to take a monk. Only good reason is the pdt custard. But unless you get more than 2 pdt custards in a run, your sch's should be able to handle them fine

What? You mean I have to do something besides strip and dance on the pole at the entrance?

Well ***.
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By alyria 2012-07-22 10:57:55
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Aly I did have a question about that.

Most terms are widely known (like speed hack). Are we not allowed to say that even? Or is it just the name of the program?

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I ask because this whole topic is about dat modding NPC names, which is also illegal.

I'm just not sure what we are allowed to discuss or not on something like this.


I am unsure. I'd have to ask Scragg on that. I do know we just can't talk of the 3rd party tools.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-07-22 10:58:43
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Bismarck.Altar said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »
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Blu.
If theres 4~5 mobs+ clumped in a corridor have the Mnk pop Fanatics and counterstance everything while everyone travels deeper inside.
Terrible reason to take a monk. Only good reason is the pdt custard. But unless you get more than 2 pdt custards in a run, your sch's should be able to handle them fine

Not even, would still be a bit of a waste. SCHs + Requiescat = np, even some Twilight Scythe actions would be preferable over giving MNK a slot.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-07-22 11:00:32
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Too each his own i guess. Ive had seasons were i went 8 runs in a row. Ive personally never had any regrets going Mnk.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-07-22 11:02:01
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Problem is they offer 0 utility and also provide subpar damage when compared to something like a DRK or a WAR
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By Odin.Creaucent 2012-07-22 11:06:43
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Lol i could get up regen V proc/shell before the other sch had finished doing embrava. There were lots of places they could have made up time. Leader always wanted enfire at the rune, all dds went the same way when theres different directions and not following the right directions to code lamps . All the stupid stuff i guess.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-07-22 11:07:13
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Problem is they offer 0 utility and also provide subpar damage when compared to something like a DRK or a WAR
My mnks pretty geared too the teeth, so perhaps thats why ive always out DD rag drks or sams (Its true) Generally do 3000~4600 DMG shijin spirals and switch over too Vere on any boss floors and do 2800~5000 dmg (Depends if dbl/triple/quad procs.

Anyone out there creating a group, don't write off a Mnk especially if he has a Spharai. The SCH always go's with the WAR and the drk or x2 sams, I as a mnk never have a SCH with me because i rely on my counters and perfect counters too keep me alive. Not having too attend too DD's is a huge utility in my book. Blu is very good on his own as well and DRK with apoc is in the same catagory.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-07-22 11:09:48
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Odin.Creaucent said: »
Lol i could get up regen V proc/shell before the other sch had finished doing embrava. There were lots of places they could have made up time. Leader always wanted enfire at the rune, all dds went the same way when theres different directions and not following the right directions to code lamps . All the stupid stuff i guess.

There has too be two leaders. One main leader who is the ultimate shot caller and on each floor you break up in *set* groups of two. Once divided each leader of his own 2~3 man crew will tell you what too do in a singular sentence, always recognizably realizing that when hes saying *Go north* hes talking too his partner and no one else, because i might say GO SOUTH, YET im talking too my partner and not a single person from his group.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-07-22 11:11:35
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I hear instances of people poping Double body boost, i always tell the people "more power too you if you can get it off + get it again, but i ain't waiting for it." Ive lost too many times because the mob was 10% or less and we timed out.+

Edit: The final floor 100 boss that is.

Dbl edit: If its happen too you enough you will start too re track the run and try and determine what could have saved you 5 more seconds so you could have won.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-07-22 11:17:27
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Mirvana said: »
Seriously, noone wants the +1/2/3 gear because they know the F100 pieces exists.

And yes, the "HERPDERP I AM 15/15 SUX2BU!!!1!!11Lol" posts are just being an ***. Yes, I'm 0/15. Doesn't make my points any less relevant and it CERTAINLY doesn't make your X/15 anywhere near relevant.

No one wants the +1/2 gear because it's largely worse than Empyrean gear easily acquired in Abyssea. Seriously, I don't even know why they added NQ gear either since the ***is complete rubbish.

It's only when you get to +3 gear that things start to get good and because you can't choose gear (like at 100) when you beat the floor its pointless to PUG and climb up to 80 because you'll have to lot off against 5 other people.
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By Gimp 2012-07-22 11:25:32
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Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »
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Problem is they offer 0 utility and also provide subpar damage when compared to something like a DRK or a WAR
My mnks pretty geared too the teeth, so perhaps thats why ive always out DD rag drks or sams (Its true) Generally do 3000~4600 DMG shijin spirals and switch over too Vere on any boss floors and do 2800~5000 dmg (Depends if dbl/triple/quad procs.

Anyone out there creating a group, don't write off a Mnk especially if he has a Spharai. The SCH always go's with the WAR and the drk or x2 sams, I as a mnk never have a SCH with me because i rely on my counters and perfect counters too keep me alive. Not having too attend too DD's is a huge utility in my book. Blu is very good on his own as well and DRK with apoc is in the same catagory.


A problem in perception between people who gear a job to the teeth to stand out very well versus people who use stronger weapons and perform ok. The person who is the former is probrably parsing very close or better than the latter but hasn't gone up against someone who has fully or near fully optimized the use of a weapon with the proper gearsets, buffs for each phase. I've seen your monk in action a few times and it is well geared.

What you probrably haven't parsed is someone who is fully geared to the teeth on something like rag, masa, ukon, etc. And also what you're parsing against tends to be separated a lot on floors you'd need them to be parsing as well to pick up any damage lost on your parser for being out of range. Unless you just parse boss floors but I don't know how much time is at your leisure to switch and press a button on your parser(not that it takes much time but still.)

Coming from someone that watched (VW)

a 90 ukon break even or be slightly better than a 99 rag

90 Masa destroy a 95 amano

Kantonotachi beat an ukon, almace(mine), vere handily.

Almace(mine) beating ukon, masa, gandiva, armageddon, mandau, kannagi, verethragna, caladbolg, kikoku

Some of the above is pretty silly but it can happen and I know there are more variables in VW than in NN but it comes down to people knowing how to optimize and coordinate their weapon of choice with the proper set and the buff you probrably haven't met (or you're eyeballing) superior DD.

Considering(and not a jab at your business) that some of your hands are clients I can imagine them not being at their best since there is a tendency for the best to have their own groups and their own schedules and the likelyhood to be well done with this sort of thing
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-07-22 11:29:23
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Don't like the guys but Elysein is a 99 Amano and Coder is a 99 Ragnarok, both very well geared. Beat them both back to back on ADL with my Spharai Shijin spaming.

People defiantly were not holding back. But again, the point here that i am really trying to make is that a MNK in nyzul will do very well if he's accustomed too the Job.

Edit: Spoiler fail. ;;
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2012-07-22 11:32:22
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I've seen 90 ukkon wars ukkos fury for less than 1k average on akvan. I've seen 99 RAG drk's get outdpsed by corsairs on mobs neutral to both magic and physical damage. Parsing against other players is generally never a good idea for comparing you, or your job, to another. Compare yourself to yourself, or do the math yourself.
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By Quiznor 2012-07-22 11:32:50
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Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Problem is they offer 0 utility and also provide subpar damage when compared to something like a DRK or a WAR
My mnks pretty geared too the teeth, so perhaps thats why ive always out DD rag drks or sams (Its true) Generally do 3000~4600 DMG shijin spirals and switch over too Vere on any boss floors and do 2800~5000 dmg (Depends if dbl/triple/quad procs.

Anyone out there creating a group, don't write off a Mnk especially if he has a Spharai. The SCH always go's with the WAR and the drk or x2 sams, I as a mnk never have a SCH with me because i rely on my counters and perfect counters too keep me alive. Not having too attend too DD's is a huge utility in my book. Blu is very good on his own as well and DRK with apoc is in the same catagory.
Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »
Odin.Creaucent said: »
Lol i could get up regen V proc/shell before the other sch had finished doing embrava. There were lots of places they could have made up time. Leader always wanted enfire at the rune, all dds went the same way when theres different directions and not following the right directions to code lamps . All the stupid stuff i guess.

There has too be two leaders. One main leader who is the ultimate shot caller and on each floor you break up in *set* groups of two. Once divided each leader of his own 2~3 man crew will tell you what too do in a singular sentence, always recognizably realizing that when hes saying *Go north* hes talking too his partner and no one else, because i might say GO SOUTH, YET im talking too my partner and not a single person from his group.
Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »
I hear instances of people poping Double body boost, i always tell the people "more power too you if you can get it off + get it again, but i ain't waiting for it." Ive lost too many times because the mob was 10% or less and we timed out.+

Edit: The final floor 100 boss that is.

Dbl edit: If its happen too you enough you will start too re track the run and try and determine what could have saved you 5 more seconds so you could have won.


11 pages in and I cant take it anymore. Where is Minjo and his superior use of the english language.SOMEONE,ANYONE PLEASE!!!!! Teach this guy the *** difference between to and too,for the love of GOD/BUDDAH/LIAM NEESON
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-07-22 11:33:44
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Don't argue with him, he has Jesus on his side!
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By Quiznor 2012-07-22 11:35:11
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Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
Don't argue with him, he has Jesus on his side!

Maybe thats how he wins? zones into NNI

"JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD!!!"

???

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By Gimp 2012-07-22 11:42:20
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Sylph.Kiaru said: »
I've seen 90 ukkon wars ukkos fury for less than 1k average on akvan. I've seen 99 RAG drk's get outdpsed by corsairs on mobs neutral to both magic and physical damage. Parsing against other players is generally never a good idea for comparing you, or your job, to another. Compare yourself to yourself, or do the math yourself.


What makes it generally a bad idea to parse against other people? I dont have any sort of noticeable lag(which would cause the parser to lose data) and I know the difference of being able to do well on something such as T3 jueno to something like ig-alima/provenance.


I'm guessing that it's because you want more data using the math than the actual fight can give you?


Edit: Mnkk I can't see the last spoiler inside the main spoiler.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-07-22 11:45:18
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Nothing was supposed too (Teach me the diffrence, someone corrected me on Your and You're and i have been applying the information) be there, it was fail spoiler. lol

Edit: Your english 101's are appreciated.
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By Siren.Stunx 2012-07-22 11:49:02
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as far as ff goes, i could care less about someones english if they do their fkin job lol.
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2012-07-22 11:56:42
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Gimp said: »

What makes it generally a bad idea to parse against other people? I dont have any sort of noticeable lag(which would cause the parser to lose data) and I know the difference of being able to do well on something such as T3 jueno to something like ig-alima/provenance.


I'm guessing that it's because you want more data using the math than the actual fight can give you?


Edit: Mnkk I can't see the last spoiler inside the main spoiler.

They could have amazing gear, the best in the game, but be half-afk not trying, not very good at the game, not used to the fight, not paying attention, not giving 100%, etc. Saying "I outdps 99 rag drks" is silly, because that drk could be any of the above things. Parsing against yourself and doing math is the only real accurate way to tell if job X does more DPS than job Y on fight Z.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-07-22 11:58:11
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I expect everything less private than /t to be individually proofread, peer-reviewed, and systematically approved by a panel of no fewer than 6 high-profile editors of major publications.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-07-22 12:05:00
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I just expect anyone above functional retardation, with English as their secondary or primary language, to understand the most basic grammatical uses of the words to, too, your, you're, there, their, they're, etc.

Other grammar doesn't matter on the internet
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By Odin.Creaucent 2012-07-22 12:06:12
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Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »
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Lol i could get up regen V proc/shell before the other sch had finished doing embrava. There were lots of places they could have made up time. Leader always wanted enfire at the rune, all dds went the same way when theres different directions and not following the right directions to code lamps . All the stupid stuff i guess.

There has too be two leaders. One main leader who is the ultimate shot caller and on each floor you break up in *set* groups of two. Once divided each leader of his own 2~3 man crew will tell you what too do in a singular sentence, always recognizably realizing that when hes saying *Go north* hes talking too his partner and no one else, because i might say GO SOUTH, YET im talking too my partner and not a single person from his group.

Thought this was common knowledge the dds knew to do it but didnt.
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By Siren.Kyte 2012-07-22 12:28:19
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Gimp said: »

90 Masa destroy a 95 amano

That's to be expected...? VW isn't a very good event for Amano.
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