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Ragnarok vs OAT
Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-07-08 15:09:53
Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »Been spanking rag DRK's with resolution on ADL with my Spharai Mnk. #1 in the parser son. must have some shitty *** drks Naw, you just play with shity mnks :)
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-07-08 15:21:52
And lastly Ragnarok looks ugly compared to a huge Gold archaic scythe. Wouldn't you want to go around town with a huge gold weapon on your back? (Yes, I know it doesn't make Apoc better)
Ragnarok isn't ugly. It's one of the only unique looking relics, and Apoc is just a reskinned Demonslicer. It's huge and it's not unique, and it is certainly not pretty.
I don't think demon slicer has the wrapped handle, does it?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-07-08 15:22:16
You're so cool, you should post some epeen WS numbers to show us just how cool you really are.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-07-08 15:29:51
And lastly Ragnarok looks ugly compared to a huge Gold archaic scythe. Wouldn't you want to go around town with a huge gold weapon on your back? (Yes, I know it doesn't make Apoc better)
Ragnarok isn't ugly. It's one of the only unique looking relics, and Apoc is just a reskinned Demonslicer. It's huge and it's not unique, and it is certainly not pretty.
I don't think demon slicer has the wrapped handle, does it? Nor does it have the symbols at the head, but both of those are just part of the skin. The model itself is identical. Ragnarok's model is not shared by any player-equippable weapon.
Original quoted post is kind of amusing to me - I prefer Ragnarok from an aesthetics standpoint and always have, but they're both huge gold weapons that hang off your back when not equipped.
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By Siren.Kyte 2012-07-08 15:31:33
And lastly Ragnarok looks ugly compared to a huge Gold archaic scythe. Wouldn't you want to go around town with a huge gold weapon on your back? (Yes, I know it doesn't make Apoc better)
Ragnarok isn't ugly. It's one of the only unique looking relics, and Apoc is just a reskinned Demonslicer. It's huge and it's not unique, and it is certainly not pretty.
I don't think demon slicer has the wrapped handle, does it?
That doesn't really make it any less of a reskin.
Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-07-08 15:34:37
If you want a unique design make a mythic.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-07-08 15:35:23
Too bad there's no mythic GS.
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Asura.Myrrh
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By Asura.Myrrh 2012-07-08 15:35:57
Ragnarok is cool and all, but NO one had one before Resolution.
Bandwagon relic will lose it's flavor when SE "fixes" it. There is no wrong way to go when you're playing DD going for relic. They are all glorious weapons.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2012-07-08 15:38:30
Ragnarok is cool and all, but NO one had one before Resolution.
I did :x
edit: Well, I had literally just started my last stage when it was announced.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-07-08 15:40:23
Nerfing Reso would single-handedly push DRK back into the dark ages, no pun intended. Given that SE has stated that they don't intend to nerf DRK in the forseeable future, I don't think there's anything to worry about for a while. They may change their minds eventually, but they seem okay with Resolution's status at the moment.
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2012-07-08 18:28:08
1. OAT Fulgurante to start
2. Apoc for lowmanning/tanking
3. Ragnarok
As for the difference between Rag & OAT, OAT will win out against any normal GS in WS frequency, while Ragnarok's ACC+35 will allow you to use some more STR/ATT gear in place of acc gear. Then the higher DMG rating, crit bonus and hidden 2.5 damage are just the cherries on top to put it ahead of OAT.
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By hyunkyl 2012-07-08 19:27:52
Same opinion as Quetzacoatl, it's what I'm doing atm, OaT just costed me 3 mil in mirrors/riftsands when I did it!
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2012-07-08 19:48:16
I'm actually working on Fulgurante and Apoc at the same time, and then I'll go for Ragnarok when I get the funds and ability @_@
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By Bahamut.Bekisa 2012-07-08 20:05:08
I made a 99 +WS Damage GS because I'm almost done with my Aegis finally which is why I didn't want to waste gil towards at 99 OAT GS. When the Aegis is done, and I don't win my Rag from the contest coming up (because we all know I won't), I'll probably work on a Rag next. In the mean time though, my +WS Damage GS is holding it's own well enough and was completely free. Most trials you can go be one of the top DD in an exp party while getting your kill shots in.
VW is nice for a comparison of weapons on a parse but you cannot compare them and think that includes all situations. Not along the lines of the OP's question but then again, neither is half this thread now!
-- Did the person you compared to know you were doing it? People who know they are being parsed tend to "try" more. Which is usually only the person running the parser before they post parses.
-- Proper usage of JA's and temp items: I've had people ask me what gear I use to TP in but when they look at it they don't understand how my 6-hit build w/o emp/relic is destroying their 5-hit with emp/relic. If you time temps correctly you can more or less just spam TP wings the entire fight since the yellow proc gives you your last temp again. If I notice the WHM's bored not having to heal anyone, I'll throw up Souleater to see if they are awake sometimes. SAM or most DD/SAM are non stop WS machines when procs are flowing properly and they don't meet the next item I list below.
-- Procs -- where you needed to proc or not? If you have more time to WS your highest numbers instead of trying to land a few spells or proc'ing some gimp WS's, you will do higher numbers.
-- Does the players even give a damn? I've noticed it a lot in VW that some players just show up for the chance at gear. This can include using food.
-- WTF is in your party compared to theirs? Are you in the party with a BRD + COR rolling 11's Chaos rolls with a DRK compared to their party with out?
-- Using -enmity temp so you don't tank, and using Fools Drinks so you don't get hit with magic aoe while the rest of the party has to use Fanatics since they are pulling hate getting their faces pounded in. With Fools up you don't get slow/para/virus/petri/etc and slow down DD. I've seen this a lot from people trying to be epeenists on parses .... but generally only the same people haha.
I could go on with reasons but I'm sure you get the idea.
By GraddHelian 2012-07-08 20:09:15
Making an Aegis, and then talking about not wanting to waste gil. Wat?
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By Cerberus.Toralin 2012-07-08 20:24:55
Id like to see the MNK parse on ADL against the Resolution DRK's. Friend did 6k and 7k Reso's(99 Rag) to ADL and basically melted it down. I would love to see a monk put up those numbers. I am personally a monk fan but lets get real Spharia monk isnt going to touch ***unless the DRK is naked with 1/5 Resolution with a Tav Taco on, and even at that the DRK would still probably win
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Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-07-08 20:40:56
I'd like to see a DRK with ~485 STR in their WS set.
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By Fenrir.Ghostknight 2012-07-08 20:43:03
Who cares about OAT.
Calad99 vs Rag99 go!
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2012-07-08 21:16:30
I'd like to see a DRK with ~485 STR in their WS set. ADL is level 90 content, so probably has little to no level correction, but yeah: I get 489 WSC needed, which before alpha is ~575 STR.
So no, that wasn't a DRK. It was more than likely a Mighty Strikes WAR.
Even with 300TP and a Triple Attack you need 206 WSC or about 244 STR, when 210-210 STR is roughly the maximum without crippling your accuracy and whatnot.
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-07-08 21:20:04
Gonna guess you did it for 7K?
Diabolos.Raelia
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2012-07-08 21:22:34
Yeah, he'd have to average 7k as a baseline for misses or low pDif luck to push him down into 6ks and DA/TA or good rolls to put him up into 7k numbers.
Definitely Mighty Strikes numbers.
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By Fenrir.Ghostknight 2012-07-08 21:25:26
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-07-08 21:27:46
Perfect Defense kinda makes that pointless, since we are talking about ADL.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-07-08 21:28:50
they may have staggered PD or something
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-07-08 21:30:56
Gonna have to say dumb luck if that's what happened.
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2012-07-08 21:35:45
We forgot Souleater. Inb4 'lolResistant' because no, it doesn't kick in that fast. Still only kicks up another 1k damage, still needing in the range of 400 STR.
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-07-08 21:40:10
Souleater would need to add another 2k+.
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2012-07-08 21:44:32
Souleater still puts a DRK closer to those numbers. After the Blood Rage nerf, 3.321 pDif (3.075 capped crit average and CAB2) still needs 470 STR
So I'm gonna go with 'He's full of crap'.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-07-08 21:49:18
who are we talking about here, for the record?
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-07-08 21:50:55
Id like to see the MNK parse on ADL against the Resolution DRK's. Friend did 6k and 7k Reso's(99 Rag) to ADL and basically melted it down. I would love to see a monk put up those numbers. I am personally a monk fan but lets get real Spharia monk isnt going to touch ***unless the DRK is naked with 1/5 Resolution with a Tav Taco on, and even at that the DRK would still probably win
dis, i do agree spharai isn't the weapon of choice for mnk for this situation though.
Just coming back to the game and I've read through as many threads as I can. I have a general understanding that the best Great Sword options for DRK atm are OAT and Ragnarok (i guess 99 caladbolg may enter the conversation but I'm not interested in that cost).
Assuming Ragnarok has an edge over OAT, how big is this difference? I'm just debating wether or not to spend significant time on Ragnarok when I can dedicate much less time to OAT, get similar results, and spend the rest of my time on something else for one of other jobs or maybe Apoc.
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