[Dev] Seekers Of Adoulin Not Supporting NA PS2

We still don't have anything to compare it to though. Has any update even been remotely close to a full expansion in size?

yeah, if you called SE customer support directly you can have one of their reps do it for you, but I didnt feel like sitting on hold for 2-3+ hours. At that time most if not all Bank's Debit cards werent supported by either system, so it did cause a lot of problems for the PC playerbase.

They should have been more blunt about it, so that they didn't cause a shitstorm.

they aren't forcing anyone to do anything, they just are unable to provide the expansion in disc form for the US PS2 users, they'll have to distribute it another way, probably through POL.

Amazing reading comprehension. It was a counter to the claim that PC can't feel the same. PS2 users always give some *** reason to why they can't on PC.

Maybe you havent seen my last 4 comments I was told I didnt know how to read or comprehend what SE was saying so I fixed it. They are giving you Choices not forcing big difference. Wonder how the japs are gonna get them game then if sony dont make disc anymore for ps2?

Yes, I'm that HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, I didn't understand what you were getting at!!111 /facepalm

Doesn't make the statement any less repulsive!

Yes, I'm that HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, I didn't understand what you were getting at!!111 /facepalm

Doesn't make the statement any less repulsive!

apparently you don't know reading comprehension at all because you lack the ability to understand what I meant by the bold. I'll simplify it for you: US disc production has ended, JP disc production has not. Two different markets.

too bad we can't just get a mod to click "delete page 8" on the top and we could start over Kali

Apparently you dont know it either I already knew this before asking the question. What has stopped people from translating games from one to another? You lack the ability to understand not everyone wants to play on the same thing you wanna play on. If that were the case why have all these systems? FFXI went wrong by allowing anyone outside of PC to play this game. I don't need to simplify it for you since you seem to be on another planet of smartness then I am.

you apparently didn't read it.

The games don't work that way, and I never stated everyone wants to play what I want to play on, I currently play on the PC, for several reasons.

Lol, XI was designed from the ground up to be on the PS2, and it's what it came out on...


/sigh

wow, really?

it has nothing to do with translation...

any set price for this expansion? or is it going to be a $30 digital download?

any set price for this expansion? or is it going to be a $30 digital download?

About damn time what? About damn time you break free of your chains and think for yourself. What will this change for you, what would dropping ps2 support ever have done for you? Lol, the only different it'd make is less people to play with, the game mechanics and graphics will never change. DO people think they're cool, picking on people for playing the game on ps2, the original platform the game was designed to play on? I just don't get the mentality of, I'm sorry to say, most people, when it comes to PS2 support. Get off your high horses, and think for yourself please. Letting windower and other programs play for you does not make you a better player. I'm very sorry the majority of you will never understand the fulfillment of tweaking your macros just right, with limited #'s of lines, and too few macros in a block, to be able to play your jobs with 60+ pieces of equipment.

Fcking boss

I will have to go with Prothescar's comment earlier and agree with it.

You have to look at it from a business standpoint. If I recall the survey that was done a year or two ago, I answered PC for the platform I play the majority of my games on including FFXI.

I know that Japanese players are still using the PS2, moreso than NA players and especially European players. It would be a waste of manufacturing expenses to stamp out discs for Playstation 2 users if the number of PS2 users in that market (North American being that market) hardly use the PS2 system to play FFXI on.

I can count on one hand the number of people I know of in FFXI that play on the PS2. And of those, I know that many of them moved from the PS2 to the PC because Sony stopped supporting the system whenever it broke down. Add to that fact that those that I knew that were on the PS2 had PS2-only glitches and problems. Those were completely eliminated when they moved to a PC.

Heck, one person I knew, her brother bought her a high end gaming desktop (think: Core i7, 500-series GPU system) just to play FFXI on. It was overkill but she liked the fact she didn't have to deal with the PS2 dying on her anymore.

Does this mean PS2 support is dropped? No. I hope someday it would but that's an entirely different discussion for some other time.

SE will continue to support it so long as Japanese players (not NA/EU) continue to play on the PS2 system in Japan.

As for the comment earlier in the thread that the PS2 is holding back the game. You have to remember that the "old guard," or the old team, on FFXI commented during an older Vanafest or E3 that they wanted to keep the PS2 and PC and 360 versions the same. It made development and updating easier. It's also why the PC version is a port of the PS2 and the 360 is a port of the PC version. Yet, they're still all using the same general codebase. It's not perfect but it works. Is it limiting the game? In a way, yes and no. Yes, because the graphics and textures will have to suit the PS2's limited memory and processor capabilities. No, because now the Windows version is getting some dedicated features such as improved fonts and improved UI. Those are things that the old team didn't want to do or even want to consider doing. It'd take another great amount of persuasion to give the Windows and 360 versions dedicated higher resolution textures. And, yes, that can be supported within the current engine. You can look at the higher resolution modded DAT files from several years ago. It's possible, but the team currently working on FFXI will have to consider whether it's worth the manpower and time to do that-- an entire re-texture of the 360 and PC versions.

It would take an entire rewrite of the code to be made for the PC and 360 (development tools are similar between the two) so it'd run better on both systems. And if they wanted to, an entirely new set of code for a PS3 version because they don't use the same SDK. And, again, from a business standpoint, that's not financially feasible given all the projects Square-Enix is budgeted for at this time. And, SE has already stated that they didn't want to spend the time doing that because it could be better spent making another game. I'm still not sure if there is still a 50/50 split on development teams between XI and XIV, but I'm sure they've been increased-- one for Aldoulin and the other for XIV 2.0.

It's all about where the dollar goes. It wouldn't make sense to market and spend the distribution costs of ice cream sandwiches in Antarctica when you could make more money selling, distributing it and marketing it in a place like Australia.

Think with logic, it helps at times. (Unless there are plot holes or glaring, gaping omissions that defy logic.)

I'm mad all day every day

there's a world of difference between reading and reading comprehension, the latter you lack. You also lack the ability to say what you mean, but that's a harder skill to master.


You fail to grasp the concept that because they shut down the presses for the US PS2 games that they cannot release new titles for the PS2 in the US, that's just the way it is, accept it, as to why that's the way it is, you have to call up Sony.

Not to mention that even if they could release a PS2 version on the disc, they shouldn't as pressed discs are made in batches, and there isn't enough demand to even do one batch, so that nullifies any remaining argument as to why they can't just use another facility, if you didn't understand the last paragraph.



It has nothing to do with translation, and that's what you suggested.



You don't need amazing reading comprehension to play XI, but you need it to be able to converse with others and not have people think you're an idiot or trolling.

it's not so much PS2 limitations holding it back now with the HDD expansion, but still they have people working on the PS2 version that could be working on something else in the game.

so basically how I see it, cutting off PS2 support = More devs to work on the platforms that 95% of the people play on -_-

You are right sir I dont know what im talking about lol. Its like tell people who are wearing all perle that they are doing it wrong and they just wont listen. Since you are just gonna twist me words around and assume im torlling I guess we have nothing to talk about anymore. I never once said its all about translation again you seem to keep putting words in my mouth. How the hell do you know they dont have enough demand for them they havent shown any numbers as to how many people play on PS2 anyway but w/e im a troll.