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 Shiva.Karmessurma
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By Shiva.Karmessurma 2012-06-26 21:40:51
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Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
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So yea you still have to buy the game I thought so.
I'm pretty sure I just told you why you didn't have to repurchase it.
You know what sir Yes you did. I dont even know why im trying to discuss stuff.

You are aware that your Playonline ID binds your original game and expansion keys to the specific ID, right? Plus getting the game is either free by downloading, or just go somewhere and buy it for $2 because stores that still carry it don't even care anymore.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2012-06-26 21:42:28
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I think we need actual confirmation of them saying they recoded the game. If that was actually said, that would be pretty big news.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2012-06-26 21:43:54
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Shiva.Karmessurma said: »
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
Odin.Tsuneo said: »
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So yea you still have to buy the game I thought so.
I'm pretty sure I just told you why you didn't have to repurchase it.
You know what sir Yes you did. I dont even know why im trying to discuss stuff.

You are aware that your Playonline ID binds your original game and expansion keys to the specific ID, right? Plus getting the game is either free by downloading, or just go somewhere and buy it for $2 because stores that still carrying it don't even care anymore.
Are you aware what my last post was? I just agreed with you guys that PS2 is the devil. I wanna see all these new changes next year since the PS2 is being pushed out. I wanna see the light hit the water and shine right off it and blind my player. All im asking since any PC can run this I wanna see Battlefield 3 type graphics.
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By Fenrir.Krucial 2012-06-26 21:44:00
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Why do you guys keep bringing up money? I'm sure everyone has a pc, Did you happen to think maybe theres just some people who DON'T want to play on pc? Stop tring to convert everyone to YOUR choice we have enough of u gimps running around that cant play your jobs already go fishbot or something.
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By Bismarck.Aselin 2012-06-26 21:44:55
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Sylph.Kimble said: »
I think we need actual confirmation of them saying they recoded the game. If that was actually said, that would be pretty big news.

Yeah, because myself and a couple of people I know of from years ago even thought SE wouldn't even want to spend the extra effort to recode the game.

SE even backed out of a DirectX 9 update around when WotG was announced. (FFXI is still using features from DirectX 8 if I recall. That code is that old.)
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-26 21:45:20
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Are you aware what my last post was? I just agreed with you guys that PS2 is the devil. I wanna see all these new changes next year since the PS2 is being pushed out. I wanna see the light hit the water and shine right off it and blind my player. All im asking since any PC can run this I wanna see Battlefield 3 type graphics.
The PC version's graphics aren't affected at all by PS2.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2012-06-26 21:45:37
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What's being gimp have to do with this? Lol
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-06-26 21:45:37
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Fenrir.Krucial said: »
Why do you guys keep bringing up money? I'm sure everyone has a pc, Did you happen to think maybe theres just some people who DON'T want to play on pc? Stop tring to convert everyone to YOUR choice we have enough of u gimps running around that cant play your jobs already go fishbot or something.

unbelievable
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By Sylph.Kimble 2012-06-26 21:45:58
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Recoding a game like XI is a massive amount of work. Its not just the base coding, its the fact you have 10+ years of updates, add-ons, expansions, etc on top of that coding.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-26 21:47:07
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Sylph.Kimble said: »
Recoding a game like XI is a massive amount of work. Its not just the base coding, its the fact you have 10+ years of updates, add-ons, expansions, etc on top of that coding.
It was said, but you guys are misunderstanding what was said. They said they were recoding somethings not the entire game. They said they were getting rid of all the spaghetti code.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2012-06-26 21:47:48
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Are you aware what my last post was? I just agreed with you guys that PS2 is the devil. I wanna see all these new changes next year since the PS2 is being pushed out. I wanna see the light hit the water and shine right off it and blind my player. All im asking since any PC can run this I wanna see Battlefield 3 type graphics.
The PC version's graphics aren't affected at all by PS2.
I can't tell all these UI updates and stuff people want is being blocked by PS2 being with the game is what has been said on this forum. People wanna force the style of gaming they use on others. I wonder how us PC users would act if they switched it around and took the PC out.
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By Shiva.Karmessurma 2012-06-26 21:48:23
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Fenrir.Krucial said: »
Why do you guys keep bringing up money? I'm sure everyone has a pc, Did you happen to think maybe theres just some people who DON'T want to play on pc? Stop tring to convert everyone to YOUR choice we have enough of u gimps running around that cant play your jobs already go fishbot or something.

X-Box 360.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2012-06-26 21:49:46
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Recoding a game like XI is a massive amount of work. Its not just the base coding, its the fact you have 10+ years of updates, add-ons, expansions, etc on top of that coding.
It was said, but you guys are misunderstanding what was said. They said they were recoding somethings not the entire game. They said they were getting rid of all the spaghetti code.

AH ok, so just minor changes and nothing really game breaking will change.
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By Lakshmi.Inspectorgadget 2012-06-26 21:49:51
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Fenrir.Krucial said: »
Why do you guys keep bringing up money? I'm sure everyone has a pc, Did you happen to think maybe theres just some people who DON'T want to play on pc? Stop tring to convert everyone to YOUR choice we have enough of u gimps running around that cant play your jobs already go fishbot or something.

they dont get a choice now, either adapt or quit, nobody will miss you anyway.
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By Fyyvoaa 2012-06-26 21:50:21
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This just seems like a piss poor move from SE (Yet again... which doesn't surprise me)

I know plenty of people that still play on PS2, and will not ever migrate to the PC despite having one that can play it ... mainly due to the fact that they've adapted and know how to use the PS2 and it's controller to work the game and play it their style (yeah there's a way to play without the aid of third party gear switching and other fancy stuff!)

Them not supporting NA won't do a damn thing graphically for the game since they are supporting it in Japan (so please, shut up about how you want better graphics... it won't happen... ever) I'm hoping they do something to supplement the people that play on PS2 or they'll end up having to chew through some more losses (I guess they love losing money?)
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By Phoenix.Seyabr 2012-06-26 21:51:24
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if i could thumbs up you i would , plus if Se really stop supporting ps2 users in Na and Japan pc users will turn they eyes into xbox users saying is xbox fault for everthing
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-26 21:52:45
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Phoenix.Seyabr said: »
if i could thumbs up you i would , plus if Se really stop supporting ps2 users in Na and Japan pc users will turn they eyes into xbox users saying is xbox fault for everthing
No we wouldn't. The limitations exist without PS2.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2012-06-26 21:54:23
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BTW if PC's are so easy to get and make why didnt they just force the Japs to get a PC or lose the account?
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-26 21:55:46
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Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
BTW if PC's are so easy to get and make why didnt they just force the Japs to get a PC or lose the account?
The demand is there for the Japanese players, and unlike North America, Japan has the means of distributing the software.
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By Bismarck.Aselin 2012-06-26 21:57:23
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Recoding a game like XI is a massive amount of work. Its not just the base coding, its the fact you have 10+ years of updates, add-ons, expansions, etc on top of that coding.
It was said, but you guys are misunderstanding what was said. They said they were recoding somethings not the entire game. They said they were getting rid of all the spaghetti code.

My thinking it's not the entire game but small lines of code that limited the number of zones or abilities or skills that can be added.

For example, someone a few years ago mentioned that there was a hard cap of 255 zones. Changing that would only have probably required just a few lines in the core file(s) that handled it to expand the zones.

The same for abilities and skills, I'm sure those were changed just to allow more added to the game.

That's definitely not meaning they did a complete re-code and overhaul of the game's code.

A complete re-code would have been something like updating the graphics engine to allow higher poly models and higher resolution textures, and no 30 FPS cap. (The higher resolution textures I'm sure can be handled by the current engine anyway. The DAT modder who found that out mentioned that all that was needed was modifying a section of the DAT file for the hi-res texture to be merged into the DAT file.)
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2012-06-26 21:57:33
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So get rid of the PS2 in NA and still have the limitations?
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By Lakshmi.Inspectorgadget 2012-06-26 21:59:27
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so please, shut up about how you want better graphics... it won't happen... ever

we already get better graphics. you ever try playing the game in 1920x1200 with 2048x2048 background resolution? it looks amazing.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-26 21:59:27
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So get rid of the PS2 in NA and still have the limitations?
They didn't get rid of NA PS2. You should learn to read.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2012-06-26 22:00:29
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So get rid of the PS2 in NA and still have the limitations?
They didn't get rid of NA PS2. You should learn to read.
You should learn to read. If they arent making the expansion for PS2 and people want it gone then what does that mean? I didnt just pull this out of thin air. Hell you even said sucks for the PS2 players like they are getting rid of the PS2 in NA.
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-26 22:01:33
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
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So get rid of the PS2 in NA and still have the limitations?
They didn't get rid of NA PS2. You should learn to read.

nope, they didn't.

The limitations are the code itself and the engine the game is still made with.



As for the US PS2, the capability to make new discs has ended, Sony shut the presses down.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-26 22:01:33
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so please, shut up about how you want better graphics... it won't happen... ever

we already get better graphics. you ever try playing the game in 1920x1200 with 2048x2048 background resolution? it looks amazing.
Your background resolution should be higher than that if you want to oversample.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2012-06-26 22:02:01
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So get rid of the PS2 in NA and still have the limitations?
They didn't get rid of NA PS2. You should learn to read.
You should learn to read. If they arent making the expansion for PS2 and people want it gone then what does that mean? I didnt just pull this out of thin air. Hell you even said sucks for the PS2 players like they are getting rid of the PS2 in NA.

It means you can still play on PS2 just can't access the new expansion?
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-26 22:02:46
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So get rid of the PS2 in NA and still have the limitations?
They didn't get rid of NA PS2. You should learn to read.
You should learn to read. If they arent making the expansion for PS2 and people want it gone then what does that mean? I didnt just pull this out of thin air. Hell you even said sucks for the PS2 players like they are getting rid of the PS2 in NA.

you should learn to read.

not being available at launch =/= not making it.

not making the expansion for the console =/= dropping it
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By Shiva.Karmessurma 2012-06-26 22:02:57
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Lakshmi.Inspectorgadget said: »
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so please, shut up about how you want better graphics... it won't happen... ever

we already get better graphics. you ever try playing the game in 1920x1200 with 2048x2048 background resolution? it looks amazing.
You can also play in 720p on the the X-Box 360. So yeah, you can get much better visuals than a PS2 on any other option.

Can also adjust options on your vid card software, like AA, etc.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2012-06-26 22:04:34
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So get rid of the PS2 in NA and still have the limitations?
They didn't get rid of NA PS2. You should learn to read.
You should learn to read. If they arent making the expansion for PS2 and people want it gone then what does that mean? I didnt just pull this out of thin air. Hell you even said sucks for the PS2 players like they are getting rid of the PS2 in NA.

It means you can still play on PS2 just can't access the new expansion?
Which would mean what? Are you gonna sit here on a system not being supported for content anymore and watch your friends play new content and go into areas you can't get into because you cant get the expansion.
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