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By Jetackuu 2012-06-26 20:58:57
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
Siren.Delirium said: »
I also did not purchase Zilart, Chains, Treasures for the pc yet my ps2 registration worked on pc. There will be JP support for the title on PS2 so most likely there will be updates, as with all major expansions, to load up the new zones and not let players actually go to them without the expansions installed. Just like when Chains was released, you couldn't start any of the quests or zone into the new areas until you installed the game.
You had to have installed the expansions. Your story is *** otherwise.

Jetackuu said: »
so what was the point in expanding the partition size (for both regions)?

bad move SE, bad move.
Do we know if they actually increased it for NA PS2?

yes, yes they did.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-26 20:59:56
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Jetackuu said: »
yes, yes they did.
Still updates to come before the expansion, so they may have just needed it period.
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2012-06-26 21:00:22
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Nobody's even discussing that maybe they'll have other options for US PS2 players by the time release rolls around.

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I’d like to take a moment to clarify which platform Seekers of Adoulin will be available on for those that have been asking. We will continue to support North American FINAL FANTASY XI players on the PlayStation 2, Xbox 360 and PC (Windows) platforms. However, FINAL FANTASY XI: Seekers of Adoulin will only be available on the Xbox 360 and Windows platforms in North America when it is released in 2013.

Maybe I'm reading it a little differently, but it seems like while PS2 won't get it at launch, they may get a solution sometime later.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-26 21:01:28
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Why wouldn't they just come out and say it if that's what they meant?
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By Siren.Calnus 2012-06-26 21:02:40
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By Bismarck.Aselin 2012-06-26 21:02:44
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Phoenix.Morier said: »
If you bothered to watch the english stream of vanafest, they said with this expansion they went in and completely redid the coding.Can't say after the expac it was made for ps2 anymore.They said it will allow them to add more spells,job abilities and items than was allowed under the old code.

Do you have a link to a recording of that stream?

I'd like to see where they said that.

It'd be great if they did redid the code within FFXI to do that.

There were so many rumors and hearsay a few years ago where a few people kept saying that the current code limited the amount of skills, abilities, and even zones to be added. For example, we couldn't have new skills like Geomancy come out in the new expansion with the old code. A redone code would have allowed that if indeed they did put some effort in doing that.
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By Jetackuu 2012-06-26 21:02:51
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
Jetackuu said: »
yes, yes they did.
Still updates to come before the expansion, so they may have just needed it period.

I guess but nearly doubling the size they've been using for 5~ years?

Ramuh.Laffter said: »
Nobody's even discussing that maybe they'll have other options for US PS2 players by the time release rolls around.

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I’d like to take a moment to clarify which platform Seekers of Adoulin will be available on for those that have been asking. We will continue to support North American FINAL FANTASY XI players on the PlayStation 2, Xbox 360 and PC (Windows) platforms. However, FINAL FANTASY XI: Seekers of Adoulin will only be available on the Xbox 360 and Windows platforms in North America when it is released in 2013.

Maybe I'm reading it a little differently, but it seems like while PS2 won't get it at launch, they may get a solution sometime later.

that is a point to be made, hopefully they'll expedite said options, tbh it would work better for them to digitally download for everyone directly from SE, they could then get 100% of the profit, instead of having to share it with distributors and retailers.
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By Bismarck.Nexdeus 2012-06-26 21:02:53
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You can get a machine for about 50 bucks at a goodwill that would run ffxi with at least medium high settings. pair that with a 15 dollar ps2 controller adapter, and there you go :)
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-26 21:03:39
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They did say they were rewriting some code, but I don't think there is a recording of the NA stream anywhere.

Jetackuu said: »
that is a point to be made, hopefully they'll expedite said options, tbh it would work better for them to digitally download for everyone directly from SE, they could then get 100% of the profit, instead of having to share it with distributors and retailers.

Bandwidth isn't free, so we really need to look at which scenario is more profitable.
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By Asura.Caillou 2012-06-26 21:09:49
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I hate to sound like an ***, but if you can't afford a seven year old console or a PC capable of running FFXI, you probably should find a different hobby.

Gaming gets expensive and consoles are phased out all the time. It's happened since the Atari.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2012-06-26 21:10:58
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Bismarck.Aselin said: »
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
So when the new expan comes out I wanna see full increases. Everyone keeps saying PS2 has always held FFXI back. Raise your hand if you thought this game was gonna make it 5 years. Now raise it if you thought 10. All these "issues" and stuff should be fixed right away with no excuses. I play on PC I use to play on PS2 saying it holds the game back is an excuse. Because once they start doing this Max setting updates people are gonna say Xbox is hurting the game. Where does it stop when everyone has a PC? Not everyone likes to game on PC.

Yeah, it's always been an excuse not to improve the PC and 360 versions further. It's from their perspective, a business perspective, that it's not worth the extra development time and manpower to do so. As was said before in an older Vanafest, even doing a dedicated PS3 version would require an entirely new code because the PS2 and PS3 are entirely different in programming. Time spent doing that would have been better spent working on another game, which is more money to them.

Does SE have the resources anyway to improve FFXI on the PC and 360? I'm sure they do but it's up to them if they're willing to spend the extra time AND money to do so.

I have seen the higher resolution modded DATs from a couple years ago. The game engine is capable of it especially if you have the PC to run it. If a gaming mod community can come up with higher resolution textures for the game, why can't SE do the same?

One word: Money.

If this game is alive still in its 15th. anniversary, then yeah I do believe this game does deserve an update or a complete overhaul like what EQ II and EVE Online have done. Heck, EVE Online is already on V3 (version 3) of its shaders and models update for the game. They're already at work for V4 which may bring more improved lighting, PhysX-based effects and ship-specific damage (i.e. damaged engines or sections of the ship).

But, Square-Enix isn't CCP (developers of EVE Online). As much as I'd like them to improve both the 360 and PC versions with code that works and performs best on both systems, I honestly don't see SE doing that.

The new FFXI team does make me hopeful though. I may not have played since September of 2011 but I have kept up with what's going on the updates. The new Windows/360-only UI and fonts is a much needed improvement over the older ones. So, in a way, it does seem they're not sticking to the mentality of the old team. Until they're willing to dedicated more resources in improving the Windows and 360 code/models/textures of FFXI (in other words, a complete rewrite), we will have to deal with the 30 FPS cap, the low and medium resolution textures, and the slowdowns. Why? Because the game is still using code and models and textures made for and designed to run on the PS2. And, there are still people playing on the PS2...

... in Japan.
All Im saying is 8 years of looking at people be upset about PS2 being part of FFXI with this change they should have NOTHING wrong with updates. No slows downs no 16 hour downloads no excuses. Old team or new team idc if its jesus himself but all this talk about being held back I wanna see huge changes nothing old to be left. It should take another 5 years do it either.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-06-26 21:12:36
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
They did say they were rewriting some code, but I don't think there is a recording of the NA stream anywhere.

Jetackuu said: »
that is a point to be made, hopefully they'll expedite said options, tbh it would work better for them to digitally download for everyone directly from SE, they could then get 100% of the profit, instead of having to share it with distributors and retailers.

Bandwith isn't free, so we really need to look at which scenario is more profitable.

They should really just sell keys and torrent it :)
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-26 21:13:33
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »

They should really just sell keys and torrent it :)
That wouldn't help console players >_>
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2012-06-26 21:14:07
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Asura.Caillou said: »
Gaming gets expensive.
12.95 a month is mad cheap for a hobby :O
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By Bismarck.Aselin 2012-06-26 21:19:43
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How much space is the PS2 HDD? do you honestly think it fair to say let PS2 players download the expansion while pc/360 players go out to buy the disk (weak argument on my behalf please forgive me).

Also can PS2 HDD for many even handle a new expansion?

PS2 Hard Drive is 40GB.

It is expandable and replaceable but compatibility varies from manufacturer to manufacturer. Western Digital EIDE (ATA-33) hard drives have the best compatibility the last time I looked into it. The extra space isn't usable/useful by the way unless you have a modded PS2 to store game ISOs on it. I haven't kept up on the PS2 modding community in years so I don't remember more than that.

The original FFXI partition was 10GB which was expanded to 21GB in an update some time ago from what I've read.

As I told my friend on AIM already, if you are an NA player on the PS2, you will most likely not access the expansion's new zones unless you have the expansion pack installed and the code registered to your account. It has always worked that way with every add-on and expansion released for the PS2. Players in North America will most likely only have access to the new jobs, their skills and abilities, plus existing areas that would connect to Aldoulin (most likely Selbina). However, you wouldn't be able to go there.

The only way for PS2 users to get to the new areas from the expansion pack is having a JP PS2 and the PS2 version of the expansion pack.

That's how I see it at this time. Will SE release a PS2 version for the NA market? Maybe.

IF there is a demand for it stateside.

I'm still going along with Prothescar's reply earlier that the lack of PS2 support for NA market is because there probably isn't much of a significant market stateside worth spending the logistics and other related costs of releasing a PS2 version here.
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By Shiva.Karmessurma 2012-06-26 21:21:10
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To the US players that are upset about this: It's the year 2012. You live in the US. Is it really that hard now for people to get a PC here? Hell, the crappiest PC in my house that has a single core CPU and an Radeon X1650 GPU still gets 30 FPS.
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By Bismarck.Aselin 2012-06-26 21:26:12
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Shiva.Karmessurma said: »
To the US players that are upset about this: It's the year 2012. You live in the US. Is it really that hard now for people to get a PC here? Hell, the crappiest PC in my house that has a single core CPU and an Radeon X1650 GPU still gets 30 FPS.

Heck, even as crappy as an Intel GMA X3000 chip is, it will run FFXI on the lowest settings. My Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop can run it and nowadays that laptop costs $120 to $125 going by eBay listings.

It doesn't take much to run this game.

And, I'm sure if you get a system with something like an AMD APU (Trinity or Llano-based) or an Intel Core i7 3000 series (Socket 1155) with the HD4000 graphics on the CPU, you can run FFXI without the need of an expensive dedicated video card.

The computer with those specs and no dedicated video card will not cost more than $500 to $600 depending on the brand, manufacture or if you build it yourself. And, I'm sure you can build it for less than $500-- monitor excluded.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2012-06-26 21:26:18
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To the US players that are upset about this: It's the year 2012. You live in the US. Is it really that hard now for people to get a PC here? Hell, the crappiest PC in my house that has a single core CPU and an Radeon X1650 GPU still gets 30 FPS.
Why should people be forced to buy a new PC and the whole game +expansions again? IF the game isnt gonna have a huge change to it then whats the point of blocking one system out on one side of the earth but not the other? If it was the case of money and PS2 holding people back then they should force everyone to buy a PC. BTW you guys saying it doesnt take much to run game. The crappiest PC will run it but you guys are talking big Issue changes coming to the Xbox and PC. If they redo frame rate and all this other graphic issue that seem to be in the game why pay 125 bucks for a laptop just to have to update again?
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-26 21:27:33
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Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
Shiva.Karmessurma said: »
To the US players that are upset about this: It's the year 2012. You live in the US. Is it really that hard now for people to get a PC here? Hell, the crappiest PC in my house that has a single core CPU and an Radeon X1650 GPU still gets 30 FPS.
Why should people be forced to buy a new PC and the whole game +expansions again? IF the game isnt gonna have a huge change to it then whats the point of blocking one system out on one side of the earth but not the other? If it was the case of money and PS2 holding people back then they should force everyone to buy a PC.
The game doesn't need to be repurchased to switch to PC.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2012-06-26 21:28:49
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
Shiva.Karmessurma said: »
To the US players that are upset about this: It's the year 2012. You live in the US. Is it really that hard now for people to get a PC here? Hell, the crappiest PC in my house that has a single core CPU and an Radeon X1650 GPU still gets 30 FPS.
Why should people be forced to buy a new PC and the whole game +expansions again? IF the game isnt gonna have a huge change to it then whats the point of blocking one system out on one side of the earth but not the other? If it was the case of money and PS2 holding people back then they should force everyone to buy a PC.
The game doesn't need to be repurchased to switch to PC.
So you can just get a PC and the game is on the PC? I cant imagine SE is just throwing out free copies.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-26 21:29:24
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So you can just get a PC and the game is on the PC? I cant imagine SE is just throwing out free copies.
Nope, but it's relatively easy to find on the internet.
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By Shiva.Karmessurma 2012-06-26 21:31:25
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
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So you can just get a PC and the game is on the PC? I cant imagine SE is just throwing out free copies.
Nope, but it's relatively easy to find on the internet.

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/24258/ffxi-client-files/
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2012-06-26 21:32:20
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So you can just get a PC and the game is on the PC? I cant imagine SE is just throwing out free copies.
Nope, but it's relatively easy to find on the internet.
So yea you still have to buy the game I thought so.
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2012-06-26 21:32:45
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
Shiva.Karmessurma said: »
To the US players that are upset about this: It's the year 2012. You live in the US. Is it really that hard now for people to get a PC here? Hell, the crappiest PC in my house that has a single core CPU and an Radeon X1650 GPU still gets 30 FPS.
Why should people be forced to buy a new PC and the whole game +expansions again? IF the game isnt gonna have a huge change to it then whats the point of blocking one system out on one side of the earth but not the other? If it was the case of money and PS2 holding people back then they should force everyone to buy a PC.
The game doesn't need to be repurchased to switch to PC.
So you can just get a PC and the game is on the PC? I cant imagine SE is just throwing out free copies.

Well, you can download the collection to install all the expansions. I have a torrented copy saved in case I ever need to re-install. If you already have everything registered on your console then you just need any copy at all to install.
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By Bismarck.Aselin 2012-06-26 21:32:52
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Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
Odin.Tsuneo said: »
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
Shiva.Karmessurma said: »
To the US players that are upset about this: It's the year 2012. You live in the US. Is it really that hard now for people to get a PC here? Hell, the crappiest PC in my house that has a single core CPU and an Radeon X1650 GPU still gets 30 FPS.
Why should people be forced to buy a new PC and the whole game +expansions again? IF the game isnt gonna have a huge change to it then whats the point of blocking one system out on one side of the earth but not the other? If it was the case of money and PS2 holding people back then they should force everyone to buy a PC.
The game doesn't need to be repurchased to switch to PC.
So you can just get a PC and the game is on the PC? I cant imagine SE is just throwing out free copies.

So I don't get banned here for linking it, but you can download the FFXI game and expansion packs from two other websites. One is a very well known and popular FFXI forum.

When Wings of the Goddess came out, I had to buy the 360 version of the game. Gamestop (5 Gamestops) and Best Buy (3 Best Buys) did not have the PC version of it anywhere. Someone on that FFXI forum was kind of enough to share the installation files.

I downloaded that and used the registration code from the 360 WotG disc to link to my account. The code is universal-- can be used on PS2, 360 or PC. Getting the files for the PC is another story.

So, technically, you don't have to buy the game again for the PC if you're coming from the PS2 or 360 versions.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-26 21:33:15
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Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
So yea you still have to buy the game I thought so.
I'm pretty sure I just told you why you didn't have to repurchase it.
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By Bismarck.Aselin 2012-06-26 21:34:07
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Shiva.Karmessurma said: »
Odin.Tsuneo said: »
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
So you can just get a PC and the game is on the PC? I cant imagine SE is just throwing out free copies.
Nope, but it's relatively easy to find on the internet.

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/24258/ffxi-client-files/

Haha... nevermind it's linked here.

Ok, this is the third site I know of that has it! ^^

Note: You still need to download the Windows Vista/7 compatible PlayOnline Viewer first and install that before installing FFXI.
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2012-06-26 21:34:46
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Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
Odin.Tsuneo said: »
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
So you can just get a PC and the game is on the PC? I cant imagine SE is just throwing out free copies.
Nope, but it's relatively easy to find on the internet.
So yea you still have to buy the game I thought so.

Pirating is awesome.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2012-06-26 21:35:45
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
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So yea you still have to buy the game I thought so.
I'm pretty sure I just told you why you didn't have to repurchase it.
You know what sir Yes you did. I dont even know why im trying to discuss stuff.
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By Phoenix.Seyabr 2012-06-26 21:36:11
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Most of the ps2 users use it on ps3 , Se should at least make use of the PSN on NA ....
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