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 Cerberus.Aeil
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By Cerberus.Aeil 2012-06-26 19:43:55
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Bahamut.Herrmann said: »
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/898-PS2-Limitations-What-are-Rumors-What-is-Truth

Lots of conflicting statements. Sounds like the big thing ps2 holds back is auto translate. It's just suspect to me that it took so long for a complete new expansion with new zones took so long, and once they do, they decide to drop the expansion for NA ps2.

Why is SE not letting ps2 players download the new expansion? Is it because they're lazy? Or could there possibly be a legitimate reason?

Do you read what you're posting about, or aimlessly throw around ps2 limitations posts? The game is going to still be on JP ps2, 'ps2 limitations' aren't being removed, this is a ps2 game, there can not be such a thing as ps2 limitations. If you want se's updated version that broke free of ps2 limitations, please feel free to go play ffxiv lol
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By Shiva.Gib 2012-06-26 19:43:58
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Good, more people not working on a PS2 version = More people working on the version that a vast majority actually play

and something tells me JP support of the PS2 version is gonna be really half assed.
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By Bismarck.Cicada 2012-06-26 19:45:01
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Ragnarok.Masamonae said: »
@ Cicada, lol, surprisingly enough there weren't that many "ermahgawd ps2 sux" comments, but rather a lot of "Prove to me that windower is cheating".

Also, I doubt they'll lose that many players, I'd say the majority of said PS2 owners, also have a PC at home that is capable of running the game, and since you can DL an Ultimate collection for as little as $5.00, I would assume that they would simply switch over to PC. Lets face it, this game is crack... you don't just quit.
Oh the old windower debate.. /facepalm

and yes! I've "quit" many times but it always manages to draw me back in. :|

But why did they increase the Ps2 size? If not for the update then why? Unless they can't separate what happens to JP Ps2's from others >_>
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2012-06-26 19:46:14
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
Aw man, looks like i wont be able to get back on my ps2 and have to stick with PC :(
I never understood why people hate PC so much.
I personally perform better on ps2... which is important for pvp!!!!!!!
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-06-26 19:46:46
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Cerberus.Aeil said: »
Siren.Kalilla said: »
Cerberus.Aeil said: »
Odin.Tsuneo said: »
You still have yet to provide proof of your claim that windower plays for you.

This isn't even worth discussing, you're looking for an argument if you're posting questions as mundane and idiotic as this. Everyone knows what windower does that ps2/xbox platforms can not.
Like I said, SE has looked at windower and replicated popular plugins that have enhanced the game.

Windower was hardly ever the plague in FFXI.

I have never once said, in a single post, that windower was a plague to the game. I must admit, i've never read about SE doing this, and apologize for being misinformed on that matter. But I don't believe SE will instate the applications that do the most for current windower users, such as the macros.
Blinkmenot = <stal> <stpt>
CFHProtect = /blockhelp
TParty = in development
LightLuggage = Auto-Stack feature
Precognition = Added new status ID dat's to show the number of shadows left.
Recast = Added timers for macros

Updated the UI for NPC/PC names, like XI view
Updated status icons to be more HD, like XI view

plus more~
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-26 19:46:49
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Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
Odin.Tsuneo said: »
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
Aw man, looks like i wont be able to get back on my ps2 and have to stick with PC :(
I never understood why people hate PC so much.
I personally perform better on ps2... which is important for pvp!!!!!!!
You do know you can set up PC to have the same feel as PS2.
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2012-06-26 19:49:48
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By Xenshi 2012-06-26 19:50:22
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I lol'd.
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By Asura.Dominate 2012-06-26 19:51:28
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
Odin.Tsuneo said: »
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
Aw man, looks like i wont be able to get back on my ps2 and have to stick with PC :(
I never understood why people hate PC so much.
I personally perform better on ps2... which is important for pvp!!!!!!!
You do know you can set up PC to have the same feel as PS2.
Why would you do such a thing!?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-06-26 19:51:30
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Cerberus.Aeil said: »
Again, where do you get your facts? This game is coded based on ps2, they are not going to recode the entire game, this is no positive mood to please a larger # of the player base. It's merely a problem downloading so much content onto the HDD, and not worth their time, apparently, when such a small portion of the NA playerbase is PS2.

I want to point something out.

I really do.

You realize the PS2 is just a computer, right?
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By Bahamut.Herrmann 2012-06-26 19:53:35
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You guys are fun. Good to know ps2 fanboys are still alive and well.
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2012-06-26 19:53:46
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
Odin.Tsuneo said: »
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
Aw man, looks like i wont be able to get back on my ps2 and have to stick with PC :(
I never understood why people hate PC so much.
I personally perform better on ps2... which is important for pvp!!!!!!!
You do know you can set up PC to have the same feel as PS2.
I'd rather use my ps2 than setup my laptop to act as one
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-26 19:54:47
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Asura.Dominate said: »
Why would you do such a thing!?
Amazing reading comprehension. It was a counter to the claim that PC can't feel the same. PS2 users always give some *** reason to why they can't on PC.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-06-26 19:54:55
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Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
Odin.Tsuneo said: »
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
Odin.Tsuneo said: »
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
Aw man, looks like i wont be able to get back on my ps2 and have to stick with PC :(
I never understood why people hate PC so much.
I personally perform better on ps2... which is important for pvp!!!!!!!
You do know you can set up PC to have the same feel as PS2.
I'd rather use my ps2 than setup my laptop to act as one


why? it isn't like it's difficult. ffxipadconfig.exe => done. I'm pretty sure you even get an automatic graphics upgrade just by leaving your graphics settings at PC default!
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By Sylph.Chrisstreb 2012-06-26 19:55:59
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Im kinda glad they're not going to release the version (in retail, anyways) to the PS2, simply as its been said, who really sells 'NEW' PS2 games anymore? It's all PS3/360/Wii for the main systems over here. I wouldn't doubt if there is some ways a download service for the PS2 version, as they have done with the Add-On Expansions and Abyssea as well. We shall see. Have to remember of course they nearly doubled the partition for the PS2 user base, and I highly doubt it was just for the JP PS2 users. Maybe we'll get to see some more Auto-translate added before SoA is released
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By Thunderz 2012-06-26 19:56:08
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-06-26 19:58:41
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Sylph.Chrisstreb said: »
Im kinda glad they're not going to release the version (in retail, anyways) to the PS2, simply as its been said, who really sells 'NEW' PS2 games anymore? It's all PS3/360/Wii for the main systems over here. I wouldn't doubt if there is some ways a download service for the PS2 version, as they have done with the Add-On Expansions and Abyssea as well. We shall see. Have to remember of course they nearly doubled the partition for the PS2 user base, and I highly doubt it was just for the JP PS2 users. Maybe we'll get to see some more Auto-translate added before SoA is released
Think the auto-translate is a memory issue, not a HD issue. I could be wrong tho.

I think that is also why we can't have more than 7 lines for macros, or no more than 80 inventory spaces as well.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-06-26 20:00:22
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
Sylph.Chrisstreb said: »
Im kinda glad they're not going to release the version (in retail, anyways) to the PS2, simply as its been said, who really sells 'NEW' PS2 games anymore? It's all PS3/360/Wii for the main systems over here. I wouldn't doubt if there is some ways a download service for the PS2 version, as they have done with the Add-On Expansions and Abyssea as well. We shall see. Have to remember of course they nearly doubled the partition for the PS2 user base, and I highly doubt it was just for the JP PS2 users. Maybe we'll get to see some more Auto-translate added before SoA is released
Think the auto-translate is a memory issue, not a HD issue. I could be wrong tho.

I think that is also why we can't have more than 7 lines for macros, or no more than 80 inventory spaces as well.

A gigantic 32MB of extreme performance high octane RAM.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-06-26 20:02:49
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The PS2 only has 32 MB of ram? <.<; lol
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By Bahamut.Herrmann 2012-06-26 20:03:17
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But in no way is it holding this game back.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-26 20:04:45
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Bahamut.Herrmann said: »
But in no way is it holding this game back.
I can't tell if that's sarcasm, but auto-translate doesn't really hold anything back.
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By Chrisstreb 2012-06-26 20:05:14
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32 MB of RAM was HUGE.....
 
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-06-26 20:05:50
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Chrisstreb said: »
32 MB of RAM was HUGE.....
I think you might need to go back a little further than 2000.
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By Chrisstreb 2012-06-26 20:07:15
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
I think you might need to go back a little further than 2000.
Yeah for PCs, 32 MB was probably like 97-98 iirc. But wasn't the original PS1 32 MB as well?
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By Odin.Gabronth 2012-06-26 20:08:46
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ps1 was 32 bit not the same thing as memory
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2012-06-26 20:09:54
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What you need to consider is that by the time they finish the new storyline, it'll be PS5 and Xbox1080 limitations.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-06-26 20:09:54
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
The PS2 only has 32 MB of ram? <.<; lol

+ another massive 4MB of embedded RAM!
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By Bismarck.Aselin 2012-06-26 20:11:33
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I will have to go with Prothescar's comment earlier and agree with it.

You have to look at it from a business standpoint. If I recall the survey that was done a year or two ago, I answered PC for the platform I play the majority of my games on including FFXI.

I know that Japanese players are still using the PS2, moreso than NA players and especially European players. It would be a waste of manufacturing expenses to stamp out discs for Playstation 2 users if the number of PS2 users in that market (North American being that market) hardly use the PS2 system to play FFXI on.

I can count on one hand the number of people I know of in FFXI that play on the PS2. And of those, I know that many of them moved from the PS2 to the PC because Sony stopped supporting the system whenever it broke down. Add to that fact that those that I knew that were on the PS2 had PS2-only glitches and problems. Those were completely eliminated when they moved to a PC.

Heck, one person I knew, her brother bought her a high end gaming desktop (think: Core i7, 500-series GPU system) just to play FFXI on. It was overkill but she liked the fact she didn't have to deal with the PS2 dying on her anymore.

Does this mean PS2 support is dropped? No. I hope someday it would but that's an entirely different discussion for some other time.

SE will continue to support it so long as Japanese players (not NA/EU) continue to play on the PS2 system in Japan.

As for the comment earlier in the thread that the PS2 is holding back the game. You have to remember that the "old guard," or the old team, on FFXI commented during an older Vanafest or E3 that they wanted to keep the PS2 and PC and 360 versions the same. It made development and updating easier. It's also why the PC version is a port of the PS2 and the 360 is a port of the PC version. Yet, they're still all using the same general codebase. It's not perfect but it works. Is it limiting the game? In a way, yes and no. Yes, because the graphics and textures will have to suit the PS2's limited memory and processor capabilities. No, because now the Windows version is getting some dedicated features such as improved fonts and improved UI. Those are things that the old team didn't want to do or even want to consider doing. It'd take another great amount of persuasion to give the Windows and 360 versions dedicated higher resolution textures. And, yes, that can be supported within the current engine. You can look at the higher resolution modded DAT files from several years ago. It's possible, but the team currently working on FFXI will have to consider whether it's worth the manpower and time to do that-- an entire re-texture of the 360 and PC versions.

It would take an entire rewrite of the code to be made for the PC and 360 (development tools are similar between the two) so it'd run better on both systems. And if they wanted to, an entirely new set of code for a PS3 version because they don't use the same SDK. And, again, from a business standpoint, that's not financially feasible given all the projects Square-Enix is budgeted for at this time. And, SE has already stated that they didn't want to spend the time doing that because it could be better spent making another game. I'm still not sure if there is still a 50/50 split on development teams between XI and XIV, but I'm sure they've been increased-- one for Aldoulin and the other for XIV 2.0.

It's all about where the dollar goes. It wouldn't make sense to market and spend the distribution costs of ice cream sandwiches in Antarctica when you could make more money selling, distributing it and marketing it in a place like Australia.

Think with logic, it helps at times. (Unless there are plot holes or glaring, gaping omissions that defy logic.)
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2012-06-26 20:17:19
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I still dont get how players believe PS2 is holding us back. From what? what else is left to do? increase graphics and game mechanics? Then next were gonna see PC players saying the same thing about Xbox. I'ts holding us back we dont know from what but its holding us back.
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