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The Beast Within -- A Guide to Blue Mage
Fenrir.Sylow
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-12-04 14:53:18
Idk, to see if you go up a tier by increasing your skill by some amount multiply your current skill by 0.11 and the increased amount by 0.11 and see if you went past the next whole number!
Leviathan.Dragonlord
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By Leviathan.Dragonlord 2012-12-04 15:00:49
Sorry as I am sure this has been explained somewhere, but I have been wondering for awhile what the actual tiers are at for blue magic physical spells. Can't seem to stumble upon it anywhere.
http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Calculating_Blue_Magic_Damage
Here is the detailed formula. The tiers basically work like this. you take your skill, multiply by .11, then floor it. So if the 5 skill brings you to the next integer, you've gone up a tier. If its not up an integer, it makes no differences because the formula is floored before the next step. (flooring is basically taking off the decimals)
Fenrir.Curty
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By Fenrir.Curty 2012-12-04 15:01:42
Idk, to see if you go up a tier by increasing your skill by some amount multiply your current skill by 0.11 and the increased amount by 0.11 and see if you went past the next whole number!
don't know if trolling...
Edit: Thanks Dragonlord, works for me
Fenrir.Sylow
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-12-04 15:05:03
That is the same thing I said!
Fenrir.Curty
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By Fenrir.Curty 2012-12-04 15:08:44
That is the same thing I said!
Ya w/e, you talk funny.
Phoenix.Warusha
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By Phoenix.Warusha 2012-12-05 01:48:49
Dux Scale Mail +1 or Magus Jubbah +1 for STRVIT spells?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-12-05 01:54:50
Blue magic base damage is covered in Section XII, along with other necessary damage calculation variables.
Quote: D = floor(Blue Magic Skill*0.11)*2 + 3
Dux Scale Mail +1 or Magus Jubbah +1 for STRVIT spells?
Dux during CA probably, way too lazy to do anything official at the moment though. Any other time you never want to take your Jubbah off. During CA, the additional 10STR and 20VIT is worth around 5~7 D (on QC), just eyeballing, which would outweigh the D gain from Jubbah considerably. Main issue would be the loss of ~13 attack.
By Gimp 2012-12-05 01:55:14
jubbah +1; gives roughly 3 damage tier upgrades + 5 Str and 5 Dex for soft acc.
Sylph.Peldin
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By Sylph.Peldin 2012-12-05 20:58:16
multiply your current skill by 0.11 and the increased amount by 0.11 and see if you went past the next whole number!
don't know if trolling...
Leviathan.Dragonlord said: »you take your skill, multiply by .11, then floor it.
That made me laugh irl
Ragnarok.Afania
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2012-12-05 22:04:01
multiply your current skill by 0.11 and the increased amount by 0.11 and see if you went past the next whole number!
don't know if trolling...
Leviathan.Dragonlord said: »you take your skill, multiply by .11, then floor it.
That made me laugh irl
Dragonlord is a better math teacher, obviously ;)
Sylph.Peldin
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By Sylph.Peldin 2012-12-06 08:07:57
This is my STR/DEX set.
Puts me at 473. Zaffre Cape gets me to the next tier so Mavi Tathlum is worthless.
However in my STR/VIT set, I use Mirage Keffiyeh +2 and 480 doesn't get me to the next tier, so I'm guessing Mavi Tathlum is better for that set.
Correct me if I made a mistake please.
Cerberus.Conagh
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2012-12-06 08:31:04
Anyone know what the base DMG is on Amorphic Spikes and Quad Continuum, I can't find this info anywhere
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-12-06 08:31:45
the wat
Cerberus.Conagh
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2012-12-06 08:37:24
When working out Spell dmg there's a formula, ie Disservements base dmg is 69.
Physical damage calculation is the same with PC WS damage calculation:
Final D value floor(D+fSTR+WSC) * Multiplier
D is calculated as floor(Blue Magic Skill*0.11)*2 + 3. There's upper cap for each spell
WSC Related to Stats. Similar to Weapon Skill's WSC, there is a level correction factor α
fSTR Modified by Your STR - Opponent VIT.
(pasted from bgwiki)
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-12-06 08:38:16
I still have no idea what you're asking, spells don't have their own static base damage
Cerberus.Conagh
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2012-12-06 08:39:30
They have a DMG cap tho still yes? or has this been re thought?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-12-06 08:40:43
No spells post-lv60 or so have a reachable/discernible D cap. All D caps are listed in the Physical Spells spoiler in section III
Cerberus.Conagh
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2012-12-06 08:42:41
Many thanks, I took a long break from the game, was still working with old impression of blue magic formula's.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-12-06 08:43:31
The 69 you're thinking of is probably from 75 cap era, when Disseverment's most efficient base damage was 69. from skill only.
Cerberus.Kvazz
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-12-06 17:10:08
How does Abatteur Subligar rank for BLU TP\CDC?
Got a pair today.
Currently TPing in Thaumas and CDC in Athos.
Thinking I'll use these for both maybe? Atleast TP, since I'm overcapped on haste anyways.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-12-06 18:56:52
It's generally a little worse than Thaumas for TP and varies against Athos for WS, but inventory+1 is a wonderful thing. If I'd ever bothered to do Meebles I definitely would have grabbed a pair for BLU.
Cerberus.Kvazz
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-12-06 19:01:31
Thanks =)
Sylph.Peldin
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By Sylph.Peldin 2012-12-06 22:12:22
I plan to use for CDC. Currently CDCing in Thaumas because I never got the Athos (P.S. f__k voidwatch, seriously).
If inventory is a big concern for you Nightfyre, you could bother with Meebles at least for the Cheruski Needle. Allows you to throw away 2 sachets (if you were using them).
Cerberus.Keyoku
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By Cerberus.Keyoku 2012-12-08 22:32:37
Been away for 40 days and couldn't sleep, so went over this awesome thread and checked out my sets again. Hoping to get Abatteur Subligar for my blu soon-ish but till then Kvazz made me wonder. Thaumas Kecks vs Athos's Tights for CdC. I'm using the set posted on page bar of course Kehpri Kecks. Guessing on easy stuff Athos's Tights will pull ahead but how do you guys (maybe more importantly your spreadsheets) feel about Thaumas Kecks (2 piece set bonus) in that set?
And gratz on that subligar, Kvazz!
Edit: Did I mention sleepy? Peldin basically just said the same thing above...
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By Bahamut.Cantontai 2012-12-08 22:39:42
Been away for 40 days and couldn't sleep, so went over this awesome thread and checked out my sets again. Hoping to get Abatteur Subligar for my blu soon-ish but till then Kvazz made me wonder. Thaumas Kecks vs Athos's Tights for CdC. I'm using the set posted on page bar of course Kehpri Kecks. Guessing on easy stuff Athos's Tights will pull ahead but how do you guys (maybe more importantly your spreadsheets) feel about Thaumas Kecks (2 piece set bonus) in that set?
And gratz on that subligar, Kvazz!
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/31146/your-latest-blue-mage-accomplishmentsmilestones/13#2073594
Cerberus.Keyoku
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By Cerberus.Keyoku 2012-12-08 22:43:37
Ah, I appreciate the quick reply. Out of those 3 I'd have picked Thaumas anyway - it's the comparison to Athos's Tights (+5dex, 4% crit hit dmg) that I didn't wanna eyeball and was hoping to get the math people to weigh in. =)
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-12-08 23:36:09
If inventory is a big concern for you Nightfyre, you could bother with Meebles at least for the Cheruski Needle. Allows you to throw away 2 sachets (if you were using them). I'm no longer actively playing, otherwise I would have made an effort to obtain that, the subligar, Letalis Mantle, and the fast cast torque by now (along with anything else I might've forgotten, a relic for my DRK, etc). I have a couple of things I intend to take care of after finals before my subscription expires, but aside from that I'm probably done with XI.
Leviathan.Dastrian
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By Leviathan.Dastrian 2012-12-14 15:55:34
If this is my current TP set would I be correct in assuming Nemetona cap would do more for me during TP phase?
Bahamut.Sorel
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By Bahamut.Sorel 2012-12-16 20:33:31
What's the consensus on Fea's Cuffs vs Khepri Wristbands?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-12-16 20:35:01
Khepri are better for most spells, but Fea's Cuffs are quite viable if Khepri isn't an option.
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