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By Bahamut.Juandbz 2012-04-18 23:33:18
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Does The Wyvern: HP Gear swap in time for Healing Breath marcos and by how much would that gear improve HBs?

When I swap gear and quickly put in the <pethpp> command it doesn't change percentage until seconds later

is the HP gear working?
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By Fenrir.Brimstonefox 2012-04-19 15:55:27
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Usually works for me, I can tell because I get healed for more, once in a while I do get a low one where I think the lag caused what you say to not happen.
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By Cerberus.Katsukora 2012-04-19 16:04:01
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What works for me is have both the gear swaps and the trigger macro separate. That way you don't need to worry about timing. Better that way, especially if you have nine pieces to swap in like I do.
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By Alexander.Meeeeeep 2012-04-19 16:12:39
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It happens and is registered server side almost instantaneously. However client side is isn't updated as fast you you won't notice it because of this lag.
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By Cerberus.Ddbone 2012-04-20 08:59:34
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I've always done HB trigger gear > potency gear in the same macro with some /waits in between I can be more specific if anyone cares when I get home from work.

It's soemthing like this:

/equip trigger set
/ma barstone
/wait x
/equip Potency set

Always works except the 1/100 times some kind of lag messes it up.

I do mess up however, when I try to heal someone and they are slightly out of range, be nice if they increased that range.

I'd also love if the 1min timer didn't reset on our restore breath ja when the mob dies before breath goes off, they did it for SMNs already.
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By Sylph.Kelvinclein 2012-04-20 09:29:13
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SE should fix this, been soloin on drg since 2005 and SOMETIMES, wyvern doesn't breath. I thought it was something related to the HP+ swap, but it's not.

Regarding the wyvern not breathing on you when the mob dies, they should just fix so that the wyvern breath anyway... because it does like that even when you're casting magic.
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By Phoenix.Dabackpack 2012-04-20 09:39:54
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Sylph.Kelvinclein said: »
SE should fix this, been soloin on drg since 2005 and SOMETIMES, wyvern doesn't breath. I thought it was something related to the HP+ swap, but it's not.

Regarding the wyvern not breathing on you when the mob dies, they should just fix so that the wyvern breath anyway... because it does like that even when you're casting magic.

I agree with this. Sometimes your breath is wasted if you perform a weaponskill after using the breath. This in particular occurs when you trigger Healing Breath > WS finishing blow.
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By Sylph.Kelvinclein 2012-04-20 09:47:35
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I have to say, that i swap ton of gear when i do HB.....

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input /equip head "Drn. Armet +1"
input /equip back "Gigant Mantle"
input /equip ring2 "Meridian Ring"
input /equip neck "Ritter Gorget"
input /equip ring1 "Bomb Queen Ring"
input /equip hands "Alkyoneus's Brc."
input /equip waist "Ocean Sash"
input /equip ammo
input /equip feet "Marine M Boots"
input /equip ear1 "Cassie earring"
input /equip ear2 "Pigeon Earring"
input /equip legs "Dusk trousers"
pause 1
input /ma "Barfira" <me>
input /ma "Barfire" <me>
input /ma "power attack" <t>
input /ma "Foot kick" <t>
input /ma "Poison" <t>
input /ma "Barfira" <me>
pause 2
input /equip head "Wyrm Armet"
input /equip neck "Chanoix's Gorget"
input /equip body "Wyvern Mail"
input /equip waist "Glassblower's Belt"
input /equip legs "Drn. brais +1"
input /equip feet "Homam Gambieras"
input /equip hands "Ostreger Mitts"
pause 3
input /equip back "Atheling mantle"
input /equip head "Lancer's Mezail +1"
input /equip waist "Sonic belt"
input /equip neck "Love Torque"
input /equip body "Ares's cuirass"
input /equip legs "Homam Cosciales"
input /equip hands "Dusk gloves +1"
input /equip ear1 "Ethereal earring"
input /equip ear2 "Brutal earring"
input /equip ring1 "Blitz Ring"
input /equip ammo "Thew Bomblet"
input /equip ring2 "Rajas Ring"
input /equip feet "Lncr. Schynbld. +1"/quote]
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-04-20 12:52:57
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Sylph.Kelvinclein said: »
SE should fix this, been soloin on drg since 2005 and SOMETIMES, wyvern doesn't breath. I thought it was something related to the HP+ swap, but it's not.

Regarding the wyvern not breathing on you when the mob dies, they should just fix so that the wyvern breath anyway... because it does like that even when you're casting magic.

Your wyvern can't complete a breath action when you disengage. If you aren't engaged when the mob dies, it'll still go off even if you used that mob as the target of a trigger spell. You're wyvern can also not complete a breath when stunned, amnesia'ed or any other inhibiting status ailments but there is always a reason for the breath misfiring.

I completely agree though, the disengage cancellation of breaths should be fixed and has gotten me killed quite a number of times.
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By Lakshmi.Braxus 2012-04-20 14:30:02
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Not to burst your bubble or anything. Just thought you should know this (and by all means if this info isn't right/up-to-date please point me in the right direction).

To my knowledge, the players' current/max HP has NO effect on the amount of HP healed by Healing Breath.

This is the formula I currently know about. The Wyverns max HP is in the formula but not the player.

Anyway, like I said not to burst your bubble and feel free to correct me and point me in the direction of newer information. Just thought you'd like to free up some of your inventory room, =)
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-04-20 14:52:07
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Lakshmi.Braxus said: »
Anyway, like I said not to burst your bubble and feel free to correct me and point me in the direction of newer information. Just thought you'd like to free up some of your inventory room, =)

macroing in HP doesn't help your wyvern's breaths but it does allow you to trigger with higher hp.

If you have 750/1000 hp, and cast a spell, even with drachen helm, it won't trigger. But with enough hp gear to put your hp below 50% you can. It's incredibly useful for /mage soloing though it does nothing for restoring breath triggering since that doesn't have an HP requirement.
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By Bahamut.Juandbz 2012-04-20 14:59:35
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I am talking about Pet's HP gear to improve ur HBs will it marcoing it get the job done in time to increase my HBs
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-04-20 15:10:24
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Bahamut.Juandbz said: »
I am talking about Pet's HP gear to improve ur HBs will it marcoing it get the job done in time to increase my HBs

Most of the time it will depending on how you have it set up but I've never had much luck in improving that to 100%, at least with spell triggers anyway.

There is some randomness to it, my theory is that wyvern hp updates when the game tics. This would explain why it is so random sometimes.
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By Lakshmi.Braxus 2012-04-20 16:21:13
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Lakshmi.Braxus said: »
Anyway, like I said not to burst your bubble and feel free to correct me and point me in the direction of newer information. Just thought you'd like to free up some of your inventory room, =)

macroing in HP doesn't help your wyvern's breaths but it does allow you to trigger with higher hp.

If you have 750/1000 hp, and cast a spell, even with drachen helm, it won't trigger. But with enough hp gear to put your hp below 50% you can. It's incredibly useful for /mage soloing though it does nothing for restoring breath triggering since that doesn't have an HP requirement.

Ah! His macro makes sense to me now. Thanks for pointing that out for me. =)
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By Carbuncle.Shadowreapper 2012-04-21 07:06:42
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I have the same problem.
Idk if it's because i don't use spellcast or windower maccro, but to use breath as /sam by example, I have to use 2 maccro as well.
One with the wyw hp+, the second one with the breath effect + (neck head belt etc).
If i use the maccro too quickly, shitty breath for ish is triggering.

And you're not using the correct formula for breath. Here's the new one.

"The formula for HB IV is

FLOOR((Drachen Brais Bonus + Wyvern XP Bonus + 1)*(53/256(HB IV) + 43/256(Helm Bonus) + 5/256(Belt Bonus) +5/256(Neck Bonus) + ??(Wyvern TP Bonus) + 75/256(Deep Breathing Bonus with 5/5 and +2 hat) )*(Wyv. HP + Wyv +HP gear)+60)

(Deep Breathing starts @ 50/256 and goes up by 5/merit with the hat.)" > Credit to Foldypaws

Off topic a bit, but the gear you using for breath kelvinclein is a bit out od date. (wyrm armet +2, af3 neck, af2+2 feet, af3 earing, af3 back etc).
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-04-21 07:40:28
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Can you guys please post some updated april 2012 decent breath sets please? New to dragoon. Can obtain almost all gear except provenance atm.
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By Odin.Rendra 2012-04-21 07:52:05
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Kind of off topic but not really, with the EXP augment to wyrm armet do you have to have that equipped when you use Deep Breathing or can it just be put on when you get ready to use the healing breath? Not sure if that makes sense but it does to me haha
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By Carbuncle.Shadowreapper 2012-04-21 07:53:57
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What I use is :
Wyrm greaves +2 : Wyvern hp + 10%
Drachen brais +1 : hp +15%
Glassglwoer belt : Increase breath
Lancer pelerine : hp+30
No rings
Ostregger mitts : hp+10
Wyvern mail : hp+65
Lancer earring : hp+20
Lancer's torque : increase breath
Wyrm armet +2 + augment : Augment deep breathing and breath

I might be wrong, but i think you can't have a better gear set, (without touching the weapon slot)
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-04-21 07:59:51
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Carbuncle.Shadowreapper said: »
What I use is :
Wyrm greaves +2 : Wyvern hp + 10%
Drachen brais +1 : hp +15%
Glassglwoer belt : Increase breath
Lancer pelerine : hp+30
No rings
Ostregger mitts : hp+10
Wyvern mail : hp+65
Lancer earring : hp+20
Lancer's torque : increase breath
Wyrm armet +2 + augment : Augment deep breathing and breath

I might be wrong, but i think you can't have a better gear set, (without touching the weapon slot)
Haha thanks. Don't think I'm going to invest in +1 but +2 armet sounds easy.
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By Carbuncle.Shadowreapper 2012-04-21 09:25:31
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Idk for healign breath and head.
But since i use the head for healing breath, i just switch to head >> deep breath >> restoring breath.
Doesn't hurt since we don't know.
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By Lakshmi.Zeosilot 2012-04-21 14:05:48
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That's what I use, best possible set in terms of breath specific gear with the exception of no Ostreger Mitts.

I have 1,836 total HP (/war) with the additional HP+ gear.
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Edit:

Just did some quick tests for Healing Breath IV #'s.

Full Gear: 882

Without Lancer's Earring: 871 (20 wyvern hp)

Without Lancer's Pelerine: 866 (30 wyvern hp)

So... Looks like I'm missing about 5.5~ HP from a lack of Ostreger Mitts, meh.
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By Siren.Ihm 2012-04-24 07:32:08
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Just to throw it out.

High HP set
New body from Legion (I think) would beat Ares body, and Gold Moogle Belt would beat Oneiros, but I need to wait for the dam event and hope I get it this time :<.


Wyvern HP set
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By Lakshmi.Zeosilot 2012-04-24 08:51:13
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...Ares's Cuirass comes from Salvage. I doubt that any level 75 equipment comes from Legion (but I haven't looked).

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Edit: You must have meant Kumarbi's Akar (HP +100). That body would win unless your HP is greater than 3334.
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By Cerberus.Ddbone 2012-04-24 10:06:41
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My trigger set pretty much mactches Ihm except:

Homam legs/hands/feet (invo saver (for me) and fast cast)
Steppe Sash (taru)

but: I use Wyrm Body +2 in my trigger set.

I don't use Ares because I thought that % items did not effect the threshold for triggering latents. Can someone confirm/deny this last statement.

And Zeo, were those tests with a unleveled wyvern? I've been able to break 1000
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By Lakshmi.Zeosilot 2012-04-24 11:00:21
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Yeah, unleveled wyvern, I don't know what my max is with a fully leveled wyvern, but I've seen myself do at least 1,100.
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By Lakshmi.Aanalaty 2012-04-24 12:11:38
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% Gear works for trigger. Been using ares body since 75. Also cap for unleveled is 887
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By Cerberus.Katsukora 2012-04-24 13:08:29
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Lakshmi.Zeosilot said: »
Yeah, unleveled wyvern, I don't know what my max is with a fully leveled wyvern, but I've seen myself do at least 1,100.

The cap with that full HB set is slightly over 1200, forget the exact number. Was expecting more out of it, but the Wyrm Armet +2 doesn't quite have the boost that's mentioned on the BG wiki. It's more along the lines of a 66 to 75% or so boost rather than 95.
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By Fenrir.Brimstonefox 2012-04-24 15:00:38
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FYI, Lancer's +2 body beats Wyvern mail with HP+ food (Carbonara - think there is some better food, but its rare and very expensive)

Which is double win since it raises the trigger point too.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-04-24 15:05:27
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Carnage Aketon will give you 85 hp on the body slot but it eats 60 of your mp.
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By Bahamut.Juandbz 2012-05-25 01:47:12
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How do I use this list in 1 marco?
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