Archon Cape/Ring
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Archon Cape/Ring
So what's the deal with these two pieces? How are they better than shadow pieces(if they are)? What situations are they good for and has anyone done any tests on %s?
they arent as good in my opinion cuz they only kick in on severly damaging attacks, aka 1shot moves where as the old stuff would nulify any
That's what I was thinking. Oh well, inventory -2 I suppose. Thanks.
the ring is good as it has dark element MAB+5 for comet and dark orb, whatnot
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Dunno about proc rates, but as far as i know, they should work like how migawari works, randomly kicks if a spell or hit does enough dmg to one shot you.
I'd say shadow items are better in that there's no prerequisite for them to proc, can proc on tp moves/physical hits and magic that does 1-9,999+ dmg. I haven't seen any extensive testing (and not sure how to test it honestly), but if the proc rates are significantly higher, they would be excellent replacements.
Proc rate on Shadow Mantle is ~4%. If Archon cape is shown to be 10% or so, it would be quite a useful replacement that would actually be worth using on tougher NMs where the damage you actually care to mitigate is the severe damage. But still need to determine: 1. What HP it kicks in. 2. How often (proc rate). If people know of a way to test, I can test them. Well the ring I'll still wear with shadow ring, can't hurt the 2 working together I guess. But the mantle just urks me because of the fact it only procs on severe occasionally and there is no % studies yet. I'm suprised noone's done one by now, and if they have I haven't been able to dig it up anywhere.
Shiva.Brunwulf said: » Well the ring I'll still wear with shadow ring, can't hurt the 2 working together I guess. But the mantle just urks me because of the fact it only procs on severe occasionally and there is no % studies yet. I'm suprised noone's done one by now, and if they have I haven't been able to dig it up anywhere. Well Scherzo and EA both kick in at 75%, however Migawari (without AF3+2 buffs) only kicks in at 100% HP or higher.
I guess letting a cactaur beat on you for a while with a job with 1330 hp or less (making 1k needles proc above 75% HP) and the cape on would allow us to test what hp it procs on, and give us an idea of proc rate. Migawari information is incorrect, increasing ninjitsu skill was tested to increase the threshold of the damage nullification. I'm unsure of the tiers though. Body just increases the threshold as well.
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Sylph.Liltrouble said: » Shiva.Brunwulf said: » Well the ring I'll still wear with shadow ring, can't hurt the 2 working together I guess. But the mantle just urks me because of the fact it only procs on severe occasionally and there is no % studies yet. I'm suprised noone's done one by now, and if they have I haven't been able to dig it up anywhere. Yeah, he can be a real doozy. Phoenix.Neosutra said: » Well Scherzo and EA both kick in at 75%, however Migawari (without AF3+2 buffs) only kicks in at 100% HP or higher. I guess letting a cactaur beat on you for a while with a job with 1330 hp or less (making 1k needles proc above 75% HP) and the cape on would allow us to test what hp it procs on, and give us an idea of proc rate. I may be bored enough to try that out later tonight. I'll get back to ya with what if any results I see. 0/2 On ??? Needles that one shotted me, 0/5 on ??? Needles that did 1.5~2Kdmg, and 0/2 on ??? Needles that did under 1K dmg. All done when I was @100% HP. Didn't have much time to test it out. Maybe tomorrow I'll die some more for science lol. All on PLD/DNC.
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: » I think the test results are not conclusive: Fival;5077281 said: I tried using the Archon Cape on Cuijatender in abyssea altepa as well with atma of apoc, just kept getting up and letting it hit me for TP, i didn't really count but in what had to be 15-20 ??? Needles, no damage was ever annulled. It would seem the cape proc rate is just terrible, and probably worse then using shadow mantle if your using it to annul damage. Average HP in Abyssea on Pld is about 3k+, and if he was just sitting there not taking it down, ??? needles probably wouldn't get too high of damage (breaking 75% threshold, or whatever it is). As for Brunwolf's tests above, were those tests all unweakened? The 1-2k ones wouldn't trigger 75% (or whatever it is) on a 3k HP pld (unless there is something funky going on with atma/cruor buffs). Not sure what your ??? values were that one shotted you, but only 2 tests of ??? needles that one-shotted you isn't much of a sample size. Sounds like they were weakened.
None of the severe damage things take into account weakness, so the kick in threshold would still be 75% (or whatever the hp is) of max non weakened HP.
Yeah that's what I'm saying I didn't do enough to get a good test. He did one ??? for 5K and another for 50K HP, all were done unweakened.
K So we have 0/2 test then thus far lol!
I probably won't have time to test this week.. And as frustrating as it sounds, we'd need a test size of about 2000 for conclusive results, and around a 500-1000 for what I'd consider reasonable results. Though at this point I'd be happy with a test size of 100. If anyone cares to test this, only counting procs that were in excess of your unweakened HP, we can pool all the tests together for an estimate in proc rate. Lakshmi.Phaffi said: » the ring is good as it has dark element MAB+5 for comet and dark orb, whatnot I believe you mean Light Threnody, lady. Phoenix.Neosutra said: » None of the severe damage things take into account weakness, so the kick in threshold would still be 75% (or whatever the hp is) of max non weakened HP. I remember using Migawari when weakened and it would proc on stuff that (what I think) wouldn't 1-shot me if I were unweak. I believe that was the case on Raja. However, I never specifically tested it but always assumed it to be working with your max HP while weakened. Someone did like 200+ trials on the Cactaur NM in Altep that uses ??? needles, went 0/200 on proc, but could be that it doesn't proc on weakness.
Well again, it also could be that most of those ??? needles were in the 1-2k range if he didn't take it down very low (I was under the impression that the ??? needles got bigger as it's hp went lower).
Really need some better data. 0/200 isn't low proc rate, 0/200 is not proccing at all, which means we're not in the proc range (weakened, too low damage value, some other factor). ??? Needles was doing like 20-60k
Can you link to the test? Something's off, and I'm more inclined to believe the person only saw a couple 20-60k ??? needles and counted all the other times he died (1-2k needles) in the 200 tests as well.
Quote: Default I tried testing Archon Ring today, and I wasn't able to get it proc at all. I was casting Tier V spells on Colibri and have them shoot it back at me putting me into red. 0/20 on proc. Is the threshold just very high, or does it have it a horrible proc rate, does anyone know? Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 03-03-2012 03:32 PM #105 Fival Fival is offline Melee Summoner Join Date Jul 2007 Posts 17 FFXI Server Asura Default Quote Originally Posted by Kirschy View Post I tried testing Archon Ring today, and I wasn't able to get it proc at all. I was casting Tier V spells on Colibri and have them shoot it back at me putting me into red. 0/20 on proc. Is the threshold just very high, or does it have it a horrible proc rate, does anyone know? I tried using the Archon Cape on Cuijatender in abyssea altepa as well with atma of apoc, just kept getting up and letting it hit me for TP, i didn't really count but in what had to be 15-20 ??? Needles, no damage was ever annulled. It would seem the cape proc rate is just terrible, and probably worse then using shadow mantle if your using it to annul damage. I thought so too but I got hit with a 5K needle and a 50K needle around 80%. Is there anything that says that it's only annuls moves that will one shot you? I know it says severe but how do we know that it's only one shotting moves? I'm trying to keep up with all attacks over 1.5K.
I wouldn't count any attack that's under 75% max unweakened HP, as that's the minimum I'd expect it to kick in.
And Orph the Fievel test was the one I was saying really didn't test much.. Phoenix.Neosutra said: » I was under the impression that the ??? needles got bigger as it's hp went lower. I'm about 90% sure ??? needles damage is completely random or based on some other, unknown, non-HP-related factor. |
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