Just Nerf Bst Already

One tiny fact people seem to be overlooking: EVERY job snipes mobs from others. And it's more than just BST that will hold multiple mobs. The other day, I saw mages keeping 4+ mobs slept for a couple thieves doing the killing. And for the record, I find it much more fun/appealing to steal mobs from them.

Didn't post to defend anyone, just posted for the sake of mentioning something I never see brought up in any thread that seems to think BST is the only job that hoards the mobs.

so i suppose by this logic aeolian edge charged whisker and fell cleave should be nerfed as well since you are owning a camp and ruining said camp for everyone else

and this so very much ive found in my travels it isnt bst but thf and mage duos that are being ***

People really do get stupid sometimes.

If a BST is trying to "own" the camp, snatch their mobs and compete for claims. If you feel that competing for claims is annoying then petition for faster respawns and enjoy the downsides of that when you're overwhelmed by repops on days that Dynamis isn't rammed to the brim.

I think many are missing the fact that Dynamis is one of the few places left to make gil and that EXP trials are going to dictate people shitting up your camp. What doesn't matter is BST because if they nerf it into the ground like some shortsighted people want you'll just have THFs, DNCs or NINs come in to replace them.

Or maybe SE could simply make WS and magic proc actually worth a damn... just a thought. Or hey! Maybe fix cities.

This would balance out the camps, open up job choices and make the event better for everyone but I do fear that they would end up reducing the JA proc rate in the name of Barance!

Does anyone have an accurate measure of ja vs ws and magic proc rates? I'm curious as to just how bad magic procs are... I'd guess in the less than 5% range...

seen this happen a few times, actually works pretty well and also Q.Q lol as if one job or two isn't monopolized to take advantage of an aspect of a game for the first time.

they tried to do that by changing the way mobs leveled up, but the situations are very different, since mobs respawn in 20-30 seconds after dying in a fell cleave party and you have unlimited time, but 5-10 minutes in dynamis where you have a 20 minute window.

edit: i def support the "not making every other proc suck" argument. 0/30 on dia casts is ridiculous, and having the same proc rate for WS as JA is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, since ive gone 0/15 JAs as well, and a mob will only be alive for 2-3 WSs

This is the only sensible and logical post that mattered. Some of you people are talking like BST TH nerf will change anything about Dynamis, lol. At worst I'll come out with with 150~170 coins than 170~200 coins.

Now I'm not the type of BST that goes pulling the entire area. However, if there are BST that do, steal their mobs, simple as that.

problem would disappear if they never made it so dyna mobs had to be procced was a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE design

If they didn't make procs everyone would be cleaving or trying to cleave.

hmmm true well just instance it and make only the claimed mob able to drop maybe dunno but dyna is *** as is should have maybe left it alone except for the cooldown

I say make half Dynamis proc and half of it not. Problem solved?

If you want to proc farm ***, you go to, say, Dreamlands. If you don't, you go to non-Dreamlands and there's a lower droprate so you have to do it old school style.

All that needs balancing really is the proc rates of MA/WS in comparison to JA or something that shifts the burden of doing CoP to the Zilart zones.

Beastmen are just absolutely powerhouses when compared to nightmare mobs and stuff like Cactuars weren't nerfed why?

I know the SE response is that enough currency is already in circulation so we should just quit whining but some minor tweaks would be nice.

No one does Zilart Dynamis as it is.

You get a couple groups doing Forgotten items in say.. Sandy or ADL sets/trials in Beau/Xarc but due to the stupidity of some of the original zone TEs, the harder mobs, the less 'safe' areas and the lower coinrate it seems foolhardy to try those zones in a 2-3man cell given the alternatives.

Zilart Dynamis seems designed for 6man groups but given the low coin rate why bother?

Really? Over here I always had competition when doing Bastok to finish off Mandau (very few people selling Bynes /shrug) so I figured it was common.

still think instanced dyna is the only solution but i honestly believe they like us being pissed at each other

Well, back from class, Daddy's back to put you fools in your place, k?

@Fupafigters
I'm simply stating the other situations where BST excels, other lowball content, not just Dynamis. Funny that you say "Cool Story solo 75 content" when prior you claim BST is only good for Dynamis (acknowleding BSTs supremacy in dynamis)

@Tamoa
/facepalm.

@ other jelly haters
Reasons to solo the very few examples I supplied: Novio earring is still the best nuking earring for any job (also Wildfire) and is worth 6-8m. Not just what JoL drops, either.

Herald gaiters is currently only Movespeed feet for certain jobs, and is 12-13M? though it's to my understanding it isn't very easy to sell, aswell as obtain actually. (Aquiring a Tiamat wise)

So not only do most these NMs drops still have a use, but are worth millions you can put towards very relevant things.

Hate on, kids

Not on my server lol.

Sandy is the only city zone (barring Icelands) that gets any real traffic from the searches I've done.

It's just too easy to wipe in a city doing TEs compared to Tavnazia where you have to be asleep at the wheel to wipe the TEs.

You keep mentioning BST on lvl75 content where we know it has some dominance but other jobs could solo half the stuff BST can at 75. The main reason the job does so well in Dynamis is because the mobs are well below lvl99 to begin with.

vs lvl99 content BST is near if not at the bottom of the pack. PUP has more practical application in future events like Provenance/Voidwatch/Legion/Nyzul II because against tough foes pets completely suck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-QqCppZ4eBs

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Who cares if a job excels at content designed for nearly 25 levels below the current cap? My BLU was awesome at Bludgeoning stuff back at sub 20.

As it stands right now BST is good at one 99-relevant thing and that's Dynamis which isn't even really lvl99 content.

On valefore dyna cop zones just suck, im not against bst hell i have it level'ed and equipped what i cant stand is the lolbst's that feel the need to slowly kill 5 mobs at once and then piss and moan when you snipe one or 2 off them. This happens every run i have ever been on and i go dnc no sub chasin white procs. I dont care if it helps your epeen holding 5-6 mobs your being a douche holding up the repop timers for everyone. With bst being one of my very first 75's pre only jug days, i think most of my anger comes to tools not takin pride in the job and deckin it out with shitty pearl/ah type gear. Have some self respect for the job not bandwagon bst it. I am the snipe master too haha

A person whose looking for a good portion of gil, fun, or relevent old-content gear without the desire to ask for assistance would, I suppose.

Inb4 "gils easy to make other ways" you're not wrong, however BST can make alot of gil if you apply yourself, as an addition to your other ways.

/nin for shadows gets you nowhere against a bst with occ axe and a pet with da/ta :P

but most bst just have pearl with some cheesy ah axes :)

Also merit in mentioning Mythic builders benefit greatly from bst, not just for the gil it can bring in for alex's, but can solo almost all of ZNM. Only ones it wouldn't being able to is Sarameya, and ofcourse PW. Though alot of jobs can do the same, BST would be best overall, think theres a select few that would give some other jobs abit of trouble

they don't need to Nerf Bst, they need to amplify Summoner.

and Alu, gimme some $

its still a mystery to me why bsts let proc'd mobs go unclaimed...

It's not about letting, it's that the BST and the pet share a claim.