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Gausape + Killer Instinct, help
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By Faigai 2012-03-02 14:33:47
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I am familiar with the Ferine Gausape and how it augments "Killer" effects. My question is about the merit 2 ability "Killer Instinct".

The description of the ability says "Grants your pet's Killer effect to party members within area of effect." Does this mean if your pet does not correctly match monster correlation you will not receive the 15% to Damage/Damage Taken?

That would make logical sense, however reading many of the test forums, people make it sound as though just having the effect active on you grants the 15% bonus, regardless of pet.

Any clarification would be very helpful. Thank you.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Falkirk 2012-03-02 17:05:37
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From reading your topic title, I'm not sure if you had some kind of question about Ferine Gausape, but with regards to Killer Instinct you've got the right notion.

Went to Highland Treants in Konschtat[A] to show the effect of having the correct pet for the killer effect you want:
Primal Rend @300% TP - 998
Killer Instinct Primal Rend w/ SlipperySilas @300% TP - 998
Killer Instinct Primal Rend w/ DipperYuly @300% TP - 1147 (+15% dmg)

Hope that clears it up.
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By Xilk 2012-03-02 22:24:55
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Quetzalcoatl.Falkirk said: »
From reading your topic title, I'm not sure if you had some kind of question about Ferine Gausape, but with regards to Killer Instinct you've got the right notion.

Went to Highland Treants in Konschtat[A] to show the effect of having the correct pet for the killer effect you want:
Primal Rend @300% TP - 998
Killer Instinct Primal Rend w/ SlipperySilas @300% TP - 998
Killer Instinct Primal Rend w/ DipperYuly @300% TP - 1147 (+15% dmg)

Hope that clears it up.

you took gausape off.
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By Lakshmi.Stfutaru 2012-03-03 00:36:41
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Xilk said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Falkirk said: »
From reading your topic title, I'm not sure if you had some kind of question about Ferine Gausape, but with regards to Killer Instinct you've got the right notion.

Went to Highland Treants in Konschtat[A] to show the effect of having the correct pet for the killer effect you want:
Primal Rend @300% TP - 998
Killer Instinct Primal Rend w/ SlipperySilas @300% TP - 998
Killer Instinct Primal Rend w/ DipperYuly @300% TP - 1147 (+15% dmg)

Hope that clears it up.

you took gausape off.
Gausape is irrelevant here. Notice he used DipperYuly and SlipperySilas with Killer Instinct. Treants are weak against vermin, so this is to illustrate the point that Killer Instincts only work if your pet is Vermin because Vermin gets Plantoid killer, whereas SlipperSilas has Amorph killer so Killer Instincts doesn't work against the Treant.
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By Cerberus.Quipto 2012-03-03 01:06:51
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How does that make sense anyway? BST already has those killer effects thus would get the bonus from the Gausape already.
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By Lakshmi.Stfutaru 2012-03-03 01:07:31
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Cerberus.Quipto said: »
How does that make sense anyway? BST already has those killer effects thus would get the bonus from the Gausape already.
Would have to ask SE about that lol
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By Gilgamesh.Barnacle 2012-03-03 07:06:35
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@ Quipto

Killer Instinct gives everyone in range a boost to whatever killer effect your pet has- including the beastmaster. So when it was used in this case the beastmaster's plantoid killer was made stronger by killer instinct- giving him a bigger buff from Gausape. (I think this is how it works anyway) If anyone knows for sure let us know!

Wasn't SE planning on changing this ability in the future?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Falkirk 2012-03-03 07:44:12
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Yeah, I took Gausape off for this test, because having it on or off didn't seem to have anything to do with his actual question, haha. So I only demonstrated the 15% damage bonus from Killer Instinct itself using appropriate pets.

Edit: With regards to the Ferine Gausape conversation in this thread, here's a usage breakdown in terms of the kind of bonus you get with Killer Instinct:

Native Killer Traits - +10% Killer effect
Killer Instinct (w/appropriate pet) - +15% Killer effect

When wearing Gausape, that's +12.5% damage (which'll round down to +12%) during KI. The +15% circle effect damage is applied on top of that, so +27% damage total.

I have 5/5 Killer effect merits, so when I did this test there was an added 2.5% damage bonus with Ferine Gausape +2:

Using Primal Rend @300% TP on Limestone Hares in Misareaux[A]:
No Body - 953
Ferine Gausape +2 - 1019 (+7% dmg)
Ferine Gausape +2 and Killer Instinct (w/FlowerpotMerle) - 1259 (+30% dmg)