Yellow !! Does Not Improve +2 Drop On Briareus ?

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Yellow !! does not improve +2 drop on Briareus ?
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By Ragnarok.Baconchips 2012-02-23 22:11:20
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I would stop spreading misinformation if I was wrong.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-02-23 22:11:52
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So what's the hold up?
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By lilcratis 2012-02-23 22:12:21
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yellow proc increases +2 item drop rate...but if it's helms you're after, better bring a thf
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-23 22:14:14
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Here's the correct information, because obviously people don't read more than one post of a thread.

Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
Visions Prespawned NMs

  • Scars +2 Item #1 - Affected by TH, Not affected by Yellow

  • Scars +2 Item #2 - Affected by TH, Not affected by Yellow


Visions Force Spawned NMs

  • Scars +2 Item #1 - Affected by TH, Not affected by Yellow

  • Scars +2 Item #2 - Will not drop without yellow, guaranteed with


Scars Prespawned NMs :: NMs that do not drop Scars items will follow the "Prespawned NM" pattern

  • Heroes +2 Item #1 - Affected by TH, Not affected by Yellow

  • Heroes +2 Item #2 - Affected by TH, Not affected by Yellow


Scars Force Spawned NMs :: NMs that do not drop Scars items will follow the "Prespawned NM" pattern

  • Scars +2 Item #1 - Affected by TH, Not affected by Yellow

  • Scars +2 Item #2 - Will always drop

  • Scars +2 Item #3 - Will not drop without yellow, guaranteed with

  • Scars +2 Item #4 - Will not drop without yellow, affected by TH

  • Heroes +2 Item #1 - Affected by TH, Not affected by Yellow

  • Heroes +2 Item #2 - Will not drop without yellow, guaranteed with



Now can we all stop saying things that aren't true (This was incorrect for about a minute, I copy and pasted myself incorrectly and had some delusion that Wieldance was Scars).


Also, "If I was wrong" is not proper English. If I were wrong is the proper way to phrase it.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-23 22:14:50
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lilcratis said: »
yellow proc increases +2 item drop rate...but if it's helms you're after, better bring a thf

Please refer to the post above.
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By Ragnarok.Baconchips 2012-02-23 22:22:52
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Quote:

Also, "If I was wrong" is not proper English. If I were wrong is the proper way to phrase it.

Who are you? The grammar police?
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By Siren.Stunx 2012-02-23 22:24:15
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why are you still going?
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By Ragnarok.Baconchips 2012-02-23 22:24:40
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Why are you still looking to see if I'm still going?
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By Siren.Stunx 2012-02-23 22:25:37
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its entertaining to watch person after person shut u down. so i feel entitled to ask.. why are you still going..
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By Gimp 2012-02-23 22:29:05
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Why would were be used instead of was in that sentence?
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-02-23 22:29:34
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People have this horrible tendency to not give up when they're wrong, because the prospect of changing one's mind and remaining "correct" is far less desirable than being correct and not being treated like an unknowledgeable and stubborn ignoramus.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-02-23 22:30:40
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Gimp said: »
Why would were be used instead of was in that sentence?

Because it's subjunctive.
 
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By alyria 2012-02-23 22:35:25
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*blinks*
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-23 22:36:31
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Gimp said: »
Why would were be used instead of was in that sentence?

"If I were X, then I would Y" implies that the proposition in X is not true, but the truth of X would cause something else to happen (Y).

"If I were 18, then I would register to vote."

"If I was" is used in constructs like

"If I was offensive, it was because of lack of education and not out of malicious bigotry."

"If I was unclear, then I apologize."

In this case the proposition X in "If I was X" is not clearly true or untrue.
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By Gimp 2012-02-23 22:39:52
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
Gimp said: »
Why would were be used instead of was in that sentence?

Because it's subjunctive.


Were is subjunctive?

"If I were wrong."

I don't see a mood in the sentence to justify a subjunctive verb, or is it based on assumption(not a mood).

It just sounds closer to conditional tone the sentence than anything else, but I'm not sure if the English language acknowledges conditional like it exists in Spanish.

I'm not asking because I know, but because I don't know.


edit: reading sylow's post
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-23 22:40:06
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ANYWAY.


Visions popped NMs have 1 +2 drop that is based purely on TH, and 1 +2 drop that requires you to

Square-Enix said:
Trigger amber weakness!

In order for it to drop.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-23 22:43:00
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Gimp said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Gimp said: »
Why would were be used instead of was in that sentence?

Because it's subjunctive.


Were is subjunctive?

"If I were wrong."

I don't see a mood in the sentence to justify a subjunctive verb, or is it based on assumption(not a mood).

It just sounds closer to conditional tone the sentence than anything else, but I'm not sure if the English language acknowledges conditional like it exists in Spanish.

I'm not asking because I know, but because I don't know.


edit: reading sylow's post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_subjunctive#To_express_a_counterfactual_hypothesis

The English subjunctive is not 100% equivalent to the subjunctive manifestations in the Romance languages. :)
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By alyria 2012-02-23 22:46:19
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yea stop with the english lesson. either contribute or get out
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-23 22:47:16
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In this case though, Baconchips' counterfactual hypothesis is actually factual, and it's actually the apodosis (then Y) that's untrue.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-23 22:48:24
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Aly Saxena said: »
yea stop with the english lesson. either contribute or get out

Sorry, but proper English or not, Baconchips was still spreading misinformation!
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By alyria 2012-02-23 22:50:26
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then ignore him and provide the correct info. ppl will listen to what is accurate if you provide it for them.
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By Cerberus.Sephrin 2012-02-23 22:51:52
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My goodness Sylow, I think I love you. Marry me?
 
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By Cerberus.Sephrin 2012-02-23 22:59:27
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Josiahkf said: »
Phoenix.Gaiarorshack said: »
So today my LS leader informed me that triggering yellow !! did not help on +2 drops that the nm only drop 1 off

Like with Briareus the +2's should only be affected by treasure hunter

apparently the information steams from a BST soloing Briareus for his +2 items.
maybe the bst was only after the one drop that is related to treasure hunter. The theory Jinjo brought to light does make sense

I don't know if it's the same for all NMs there, but while I was farming Carabosse she dropped Card of Voyage almost every kill. (I'm inclined to say 100% but of course I don't have data to back that up, but it sure seemed like a lot)I had TH8+ every kill and only proc'd yellow whenever it was a NIN proc. However, I can say with absolute certainty that she did not drop a Voyage Coin until we proc'd yellow. This is after killing her at least 20 times that run.
 
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-02-23 23:02:26
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Aly Saxena said: »
then ignore him and provide the correct info. ppl will listen to what is accurate if you provide it for them.
Most will just read what was posted last and go with that.
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By Cerberus.Sephrin 2012-02-23 23:04:11
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Josiahkf said: »
I've made a few cara empys as well and it's not 100% even with th8 but yeah, pretty damn high.

Out of my 100+ kills I saw maybe 5 voyage coins without yellow proc as well. mentally I just figured at the time "it must have a much lower drop rate than the other" without second guessing the mechanics

I suppose that makes sense. I'll have to take down some data next time I farm Cara again.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-02-23 23:34:33
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Over 150 Carabosse, probably 30 Briareus, over 100 Chloris, over 70 Glavoid, since the changes. If you saw the drops "without yellow", I'm going to say that you just didn't see yellow.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-23 23:40:08
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Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
Over 150 Carabosse, probably 30 Briareus, over 100 Chloris, over 70 Glavoid, since the changes. If you saw the drops "without yellow", I'm going to say that you just didn't see yellow.

It's probably true, but I personally can't rule out them dropping (very rarely) without yellow.

Even if they can, it happens with such an extremely low probability that it's not worth your time at all to try to farm them without yellow.