Damn! Those Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons must be vicious up North! Serious business when it goes from door to door solicitation to stripping people's rights willy-nilly.
Jumping the gun. We don't need to worry about Santorum just yet. I'm positive Obama will get his second term before the US votes in another overly religious nutjob.
Off topic, but did you read about old Rush Limbaugh being in hot water again for calling a law student a *** for wanting birth control?
Sarcasm!
The very fact Santorum has made it this far shows how powerful the desire for a theocracy is amongst some Americans. Poor Ron Paul sounds more American than Santorum but who cares, we want our religion to reign supreme!
Crazy batshit man aside, laws have been pushed that constantly blur the separation of church and state. When it isn't wanting the 10 commandments in public buildings it's more prayer legislation or public schools blatantly isolating anyone who opposes Christianity.
Do you really think it'll stop if people don't speak up about it? Id be a fool to call all theists capable of supporting such unfair legislation but enough people do exist that it is a problem worth mentioning at every turn.
On Rush, I'm not surprised since he's the mouthpiece for the hateful side of America who can't stand see the status quo being changed. How dare minorities, women, LBGT, people of other faiths or liberals demand to be treated with respect!
Well, i know my God and have experienced Him too much to ever be told otherwise. You cant tell someone something does not exist when they know 100% that it does.
But after all, in your own terms. If your right, you lose nothing. If i am right, you have everything to gain.
Pascal's Wager? Really?
Well; if i knew you guys in rl we could chill and eat, my treat, i don't need to argue these things, but knowing what i have experienced, i have a hearts desire to reach out to people, but since you guys are more hostile then communicative, i can tell my beliefs have no validity and only yours do. Good day, guys, good day.
Atheists are Hostile? Maybe with our mouths, but not with air planes, and strap on bombs :D
Airplanes? bombs? thats no religion lol thats the interpretation of a crazy guy that managed to get to the power which happens way too often than it should...men that can brainwash masses dont count or else Hitler would be a religion
They take their scripture literally, it is the religion.
as for bold, it's called Catholicism...
as for the Jehovah's Witnesses/Mormons I have a friend that I believe his family is part of the former (not 100% sure), if not it's the later, anyway he denounced their religion, so they made him drop out of school and move out.
Not to mention that I think he also came out of the closet, he didn't go into detail on why he had to stop going to class but I knew he was struggling with his home life.
The fact that our last president believed that his god wanted him to be president and that claiming to be an atheist is political suicide in the US, and that political religion is so strong are more than enough reasons to fight back with everything, we're using words and diplomacy.
Not to mention that in several states it's illegal for an atheist to hold a public office. Or that religion is recognized in the 50's bastardization of our currency, pledge and national motto.
How about these island civilizations that have existed for thousands and thousands of years? They are still building boats. No signs of fins or gills yet.
I still see dumb comments from both sides of the fence are allowed to breed here.
Like the comments on evolution, micro-evolution are real and observable, such as the example for becoming resistant to medicines. Macro-evolution is still just a theory that may or may not be real. Need an example of that?
How about these island civilizations that have existed for thousands and thousands of years? They are still building boats. No signs of fins or gills yet.
Plus...nowhere does it say that a divine being couldn't have used evolution to mold the world as He sees fit. The Bible tells you why not how.
A lot of science is based on axioms, look up the word, if you trust scientific findings, than you have put some form of faith in axioms. So stop acting like people who have faith have no logical basis in faith.
This site isn't about open mindedness and free speech, all it is, is a place that atheists are allowed to be hypocrites for everything they claim to want. Where they are allowed to attack peaceful, God loving people simply because they don't share the same belief as them. Once again, that makes you no better than the Westboro Baptist Church.
Also the comment about Santorum was priceless...considering Romney is religious too.
Here is the definition of axiom for those too lazy to look it up:
Quote:
axiom (ks-m)
A principle that is accepted as true without proof. The statement "For every two points P and Q there is a unique line that contains both P and Q" is an axiom because no other information is given about points or lines, and therefore it cannot be proven. Also called postulate.
By the way, we all still devote hours of our day on a video game acquiring virtual currency and gear that has no value to the real world, doesn't benefit our real selves, and will eventually be taken from us when the servers are closed down (whenever that may be). How smart do you think we are now?
The argument that God made the world and evolution just so humans would exist? Yeah, no one has EVER heard of that before. Here is a video that you wont like.
Also the video has bad words, so I'm not sure if it's allowed here any more. But here it goes:
youtube is a google product, think the reasoning is that google won't have an issue with something they allow themselves, as the issue was google's advertising.
youtube is a google product, think the reasoning is that google won't have an issue with something they allow themselves, as the issue was google's advertising.
Oh OK. I just know they don't like pics with bad words, etc. So I didn't know what was allowed.
This site isn't about open mindedness and free speech, all it is, is a place that atheists are allowed to be hypocrites for everything they claim to want. Where they are allowed to attack peaceful, God loving people simply because they don't share the same belief as them. Once again, that makes you no better than the Westboro Baptist Church.
He's found us out guys.. Final Fantasy XI's Atheist Home
Time to make a new website to lure in more unsuspecting religious folk.
This site isn't about open mindedness and free speech, all it is, is a place that atheists are allowed to be hypocrites for everything they claim to want. Where they are allowed to attack peaceful, God loving people simply because they don't share the same belief as them. Once again, that makes you no better than the Westboro Baptist Church.
He's found us out guys.. Final Fantasy XI's Atheist Home
Time to make a new website to lure in more unsuspecting religious folk.
In my case at least I fail to see how wanting illogical thought (ie: religion) to stop being accepted as OK is being a hypocrite. I thought I did my best to bash it as much as possible, apparently I need to step up my game.
This site isn't about open mindedness and free speech, all it is, is a place that atheists are allowed to be hypocrites for everything they claim to want. Where they are allowed to attack peaceful, God loving people simply because they don't share the same belief as them. Once again, that makes you no better than the Westboro Baptist Church.
He's found us out guys.. Final Fantasy XI's Atheist Home
Time to make a new website to lure in more unsuspecting religious folk.
In my case at least I fail to see how wanting illogical thought (ie: religion) to stop being accepted as OK is being a hypocrite. I thought I did my best to bash it as much as possible, apparently I need to step up my game.
And you feel good bashing religion bcuz...? you had a "if god really exists plz this has to happen" and didnt? you want magic tricks to buy your faith?
This site isn't about open mindedness and free speech, all it is, is a place that atheists are allowed to be hypocrites for everything they claim to want. Where they are allowed to attack peaceful, God loving people simply because they don't share the same belief as them. Once again, that makes you no better than the Westboro Baptist Church.
He's found us out guys.. Final Fantasy XI's Atheist Home
Time to make a new website to lure in more unsuspecting religious folk.
In my case at least I fail to see how wanting illogical thought (ie: religion) to stop being accepted as OK is being a hypocrite. I thought I did my best to bash it as much as possible, apparently I need to step up my game.
And you feel good bashing religion bcuz...? you had a "if god really exists plz this has to happen" and didnt? you want magic tricks to buy your faith?
I can't speak for all, but I personally find it disconcerting that religious individuals perform "good deeds" (which are often suited to a fairly absurd moral code) in the name of God, instead of, you know, in the name of doing good deeds. The whole aspect of presumed reward makes Christian "morality" all too laughable for me.
This site isn't about open mindedness and free speech, all it is, is a place that atheists are allowed to be hypocrites for everything they claim to want. Where they are allowed to attack peaceful, God loving people simply because they don't share the same belief as them. Once again, that makes you no better than the Westboro Baptist Church.
He's found us out guys.. Final Fantasy XI's Atheist Home
Time to make a new website to lure in more unsuspecting religious folk.
In my case at least I fail to see how wanting illogical thought (ie: religion) to stop being accepted as OK is being a hypocrite. I thought I did my best to bash it as much as possible, apparently I need to step up my game.
And you feel good bashing religion bcuz...? you had a "if god really exists plz this has to happen" and didnt? you want magic tricks to buy your faith?
I can't speak for all, but I personally find it disconcerting that religious individuals perform "good deeds" (which are often suited to a fairly absurd moral code) in the name of God, instead of, you know, in the name of doing good deeds. The whole aspect of presumed reward makes Christian "morality" all too laughable for me.
Any christian that has enough knowledge on the bible will tell you that you can't buy a ticket to heaven through good deeds you haven't seen Constantine? lol and i think is more laughable that atheist keep tying religion with lack of intelligence ..i bet there are more nobodies atheists out there with bad jobs if any and poor knowledge
This site isn't about open mindedness and free speech, all it is, is a place that atheists are allowed to be hypocrites for everything they claim to want. Where they are allowed to attack peaceful, God loving people simply because they don't share the same belief as them. Once again, that makes you no better than the Westboro Baptist Church.
He's found us out guys.. Final Fantasy XI's Atheist Home
Time to make a new website to lure in more unsuspecting religious folk.
In my case at least I fail to see how wanting illogical thought (ie: religion) to stop being accepted as OK is being a hypocrite. I thought I did my best to bash it as much as possible, apparently I need to step up my game.
And you feel good bashing religion bcuz...? you had a "if god really exists plz this has to happen" and didnt? you want magic tricks to buy your faith?
I can't speak for all, but I personally find it disconcerting that religious individuals perform "good deeds" (which are often suited to a fairly absurd moral code) in the name of God, instead of, you know, in the name of doing good deeds. The whole aspect of presumed reward makes Christian "morality" all too laughable for me.
Any christian that has enough knowledge on the bible will tell you that you can't buy a ticket to heaven through good deeds you haven't seen Constantine? lol and i think is more laughable that atheist keep tying religion with lack of intelligence ..i bet there are more nobodies atheists out there with bad jobs if any and poor knowledge
You just used a fictional movie as source material for your argument.. Just saying.
I can't speak for all, but I personally find it disconcerting that religious individuals perform "good deeds" (which are often suited to a fairly absurd moral code) in the name of God, instead of, you know, in the name of doing good deeds. The whole aspect of presumed reward makes Christian "morality" all too laughable for me.
To be fair many theists do believe in doing good for the sake of good but to those who do good simply because they're commanded to, it confuses me and to those who say they couldn't be moral without religion my mind goes full tilt derp.
This site isn't about open mindedness and free speech, all it is, is a place that atheists are allowed to be hypocrites for everything they claim to want. Where they are allowed to attack peaceful, God loving people simply because they don't share the same belief as them. Once again, that makes you no better than the Westboro Baptist Church.
He's found us out guys.. Final Fantasy XI's Atheist Home
Time to make a new website to lure in more unsuspecting religious folk.
In my case at least I fail to see how wanting illogical thought (ie: religion) to stop being accepted as OK is being a hypocrite. I thought I did my best to bash it as much as possible, apparently I need to step up my game.
And you feel good bashing religion bcuz...? you had a "if god really exists plz this has to happen" and didnt? you want magic tricks to buy your faith?
I can't speak for all, but I personally find it disconcerting that religious individuals perform "good deeds" (which are often suited to a fairly absurd moral code) in the name of God, instead of, you know, in the name of doing good deeds. The whole aspect of presumed reward makes Christian "morality" all too laughable for me.
Any christian that has enough knowledge on the bible will tell you that you can't buy a ticket to heaven through good deeds you haven't seen Constantine? lol and i think is more laughable that atheist keep tying religion with lack of intelligence ..i bet there are more nobodies atheists out there with bad jobs if any and poor knowledge
You just used a fictional movie as source material for your argument.. Just saying.
If you are atheist that shouldn't make any difference now would it?
Any christian that has enough knowledge on the bible will tell you that you can't buy a ticket to heaven through good deeds you haven't seen Constantine? lol and i think is more laughable that atheist keep tying religion with lack of intelligence ..i bet there are more nobodies atheists out there with bad jobs if any and poor knowledge
1) I didn't ask for a non sequitur reply, though it appears you don't have much more to offer. I made no claim as to whether people explicitly thought their deeds would get them into heaven. Many theists base their moral compass on the promise of an afterlife; it does more harm than good.
2) Re: Constantine
3) It is mildly ironic that you are criticizing the intelligence of others.
4) Employment and (lack of) religion are not co-dependent.
Any christian that has enough knowledge on the bible will tell you that you can't buy a ticket to heaven through good deeds you haven't seen Constantine? lol and i think is more laughable that atheist keep tying religion with lack of intelligence ..i bet there are more nobodies atheists out there with bad jobs if any and poor knowledge
The only solution is for religious moderates to accept atheists/agnostics and unite against the common extremist threat. Unless we've forgotten about what happens when extremists get control of the wheel of history?
The Spanish Inquisition!
The Crusades!
Persecution of Jews, Muslims and converts!
Destruction of New World civilizations!
Pagan atrocities in Eastern Europe!
All theists aren't crazy and keeping your belief to yourself is ideal as are mutual respect of beliefs (civil debate is always welcome) but when religious thoughts are brought into the public sphere or people try to draft legislation to promote your faith through discrimination, expect resistance.
Really, the ball is in the court of every theist. You can either tailor your beliefs to accept people who do not believe or double down in the discrimination and continue the cycle of bloodshed that has plagued organized religion for centuries.
Do you know how to freak out Mormons when they conveniently come a courtin' during a barbecue or another get-together?
Make sure that there are kids running around, a few gals, and have only one man visible when you answer the door. When they proceed to give their spiel, tell them that you live "the principle", and they will turn tail and run!
Do you know how to freak out Mormons when they conveniently come a courtin' during a barbecue or another get-together?
Make sure that there are kids running around, a few gals, and have only one man visible when you answer the door. When they proceed to give their spiel, tell them that you live "the principle", and they will turn tail and run!
Good times trolling Mormons! =)
Oh, 'Big Love' you were a great inspiration!
Too elaborate/complicated.. I'd just shut the door in their face while they're still talking.
<ninja edit>Title should have a "WTF???!!!" at the end</ninja edit>
I know how the FFXIAH regulars probably despise such religious rant threads, but as an agnostic/atheist this wound me up beyond belief. Plus I felt it different enough to not constitute the standard religion bashing threads that go on (and I would appreciate it not becoming one thanks guyz ^^) and at least put it in the right category.
Now, my thoughts
This man is a money grabbing douche-bag, ill-representing atheists world wide. He is essentially the Joseph Smith of atheists. He will take advantage of the disillusioned people who need to be led to feel like they belong, while continually gaining bad press for atheists. Would surprise me not if he were on the Pope's payroll either.
This seriously irks me. Is this honestly trying to portray all Atheists as immoral hedonists? Any non retard can tell you there is much to be taken and learnt from religion. Most atheists I know have a larger understanding of religions inner teachings than generic religious "I go to church once a year making me Christian" folk.
If the author of this article had simply read a little about the author of these books, who's other works look close to "12-step self help" style nonsense. He would come across gems like:
"In August 2008, he was a founding member of a new educational establishment in central London called The School of Life (crazy?). In May 2009, he was a founding member of a new architectural organization called "Living Architecture" (that would explain why he wants to build temples)"
and a quote:
"The idea is to challenge traditional universities and reorganize knowledge, directing it towards life, and away from knowledge for its own sake. In a modest way, it’s an institution that is trying to give people what universities should I think always give them: a sense of direction and wisdom for their lives with the help of culture."
Does countering the pursuit of knowledge to "give direction and wisdom" while building temples of worship and demanding payment for your books sound bloody Atheist to you? No, it sounds more like 'The Way to Happiness'. Author L. Ron Hubbard
Basically he is taking the most fundamentally hard part about being atheist, ie. removing the prospect of some fluffy afterlife, not trying to answer "the meaning" of life with a two thousand year old self help book etc.; Then filling that void with his artificial life-purpose & "faith" books & temples to make living seem worthwhile again (presumably for those who feel they need these things in life for it to have validity) for the sake of lining his pockets. I get it, I do, He saw a market to making Atheism more accessible and easier for the semi-religious to migrate to... but it is not atheism, it is something fundamentally manipulative and evil and I would rather said people stayed religious for their own benefit and mine. I would rather they believed in a magical non-existent sheep that made them feel better about themselves, than a real wolf in sheep's clothing that slowly chomps on their leg. (metaphorically speaking, don't be insulted please)
It is the underlying attitude that life without "faith" of some description is somehow not worth living that angers me most about this and religion debates in general. I live a perfectly happy moral life accepting there is no purpose, safe in the knowledge that if there were a purpose, I would probably be conforming to it anyway by default simply by being alive.
I also highly respect those WITH faith as being people with a level of devotion to something I will likely never feel. Granted I still think they are crazies for believing nonsense (personal opinion, sorry) but I am not going to try and strip away from them the grounding in belief that keeps their life happy.
It almost seems wrong to paraphrase 'The Matrix', but in more ways than one it is a perfect analogy for my agnostic belief. A lot of people are simply not ready to wake up.
