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Atheists get place of worship??
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-03-04 01:10:50
Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »Well, i know my God and have experienced Him too much to ever be told otherwise. You cant tell someone something does not exist when they know 100% that it does.
But after all, in your own terms. If your right, you lose nothing. If i am right, you have everything to gain.
no you don't, you're irrationality makes you think you do.
and nobody here is claiming that a god doesn't exist, just that there's no evidence for one, as there is none.
and yeah... Sparth said it right.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-03-04 01:12:08
Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »Well, i know my God and have experienced Him too much to ever be told otherwise. You cant tell someone something does not exist when they know 100% that it does.
But after all, in your own terms. If your right, you lose nothing. If i am right, you have everything to gain.
Pascal's Wager? Really?
Well; if i knew you guys in rl we could chill and eat, my treat, i don't need to argue these things, but knowing what i have experienced, i have a hearts desire to reach out to people, but since you guys are more hostile then communicative, i can tell my beliefs have no validity and only yours do. Good day, guys, good day.
our viewpoints have logic and reasoning behind them, that gives them their validity. Try to do the same for yours sometime.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-03-04 01:15:41
Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »Well, i know my God and have experienced Him too much to ever be told otherwise. You cant tell someone something does not exist when they know 100% that it does.
But after all, in your own terms. If your right, you lose nothing. If i am right, you have everything to gain.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-03-04 01:15:50
At the end of the day, I'm just too apathetic to care what other people believe.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-03-04 01:17:10
Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »Well, i know my God and have experienced Him too much to ever be told otherwise. You cant tell someone something does not exist when they know 100% that it does.
But after all, in your own terms. If your right, you lose nothing. If i am right, you have everything to gain.

my head is so full of *** right now..feel like last night when I got on and saw people trying to say that 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1-1+1+1+1+1+1x0=0...when it's 13
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-03-04 01:17:46
At the end of the day, I'm just too apathetic to care what other people believe.
Used to feel that way...
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-03-04 01:17:56
wat
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-03-04 01:18:46
on fb.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-03-04 01:19:58
It's 13 because the 0 multiplies into the 1 to its left then you continue with the rest. Order of operations ftw.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-03-04 01:21:12
Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »Well, i know my God and have experienced Him too much to ever be told otherwise. You cant tell someone something does not exist when they know 100% that it does.
But after all, in your own terms. If your right, you lose nothing. If i am right, you have everything to gain.
Pascal's Wager? Really?
Well; if i knew you guys in rl we could chill and eat, my treat, i don't need to argue these things, but knowing what i have experienced, i have a hearts desire to reach out to people, but since you guys are more hostile then communicative, i can tell my beliefs have no validity and only yours do. Good day, guys, good day.
You're the one insulting your deity with the stupidity of Pascal's Wager. Just believe! Because God isn't intelligent enough to recognize legitimate faith from those faking it to get on his good side.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-03-04 01:21:23
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By Bismarck.Longkissgnight 2012-03-04 01:22:02
Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »Well, i know my God and have experienced Him too much to ever be told otherwise. You cant tell someone something does not exist when they know 100% that it does.
But after all, in your own terms. If your right, you lose nothing. If i am right, you have everything to gain.
Pascal's Wager? Really?
Well; if i knew you guys in rl we could chill and eat, my treat, i don't need to argue these things, but knowing what i have experienced, i have a hearts desire to reach out to people, but since you guys are more hostile then communicative, i can tell my beliefs have no validity and only yours do. Good day, guys, good day.
Atheists are Hostile? Maybe with our mouths, but not with air planes, and strap on bombs :D
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2012-03-04 01:25:31
Bismarck.Longkissgnight said: »Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »Well, i know my God and have experienced Him too much to ever be told otherwise. You cant tell someone something does not exist when they know 100% that it does.
But after all, in your own terms. If your right, you lose nothing. If i am right, you have everything to gain.
Pascal's Wager? Really?
Well; if i knew you guys in rl we could chill and eat, my treat, i don't need to argue these things, but knowing what i have experienced, i have a hearts desire to reach out to people, but since you guys are more hostile then communicative, i can tell my beliefs have no validity and only yours do. Good day, guys, good day.
Atheists are Hostile? Maybe with our mouths, but not with air planes, and strap on bombs :D Don't you know by now? You have to agree with someone's religious beliefs or you are attacking their beliefs.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-03-04 01:26:30
Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »Well, i know my God and have experienced Him too much to ever be told otherwise. You cant tell someone something does not exist when they know 100% that it does.
But after all, in your own terms. If your right, you lose nothing. If i am right, you have everything to gain.
LOL Pascal's wager.
You also act like the human mind is incapable of flaw. I can quite literally force myself to have strong hallucinations, for instance; doesn't make them real.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-03-04 01:26:41
It's 13 because the 0 multiplies into the 1 to its left then you continue with the rest. Order of operations ftw.
I know, some people are saying 0, and other 5 and other random numbers because they can't add.
makes me sad.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-03-04 01:28:06
It's 13 because the 0 multiplies into the 1 to its left then you continue with the rest. Order of operations ftw.
I know, some people are saying 0, and other 5 and other random numbers because they can't add.
makes me sad.
They could possibly be using some skewed form of reverse polish notation :3
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-03-04 01:28:20
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »Well, i know my God and have experienced Him too much to ever be told otherwise. You cant tell someone something does not exist when they know 100% that it does.
But after all, in your own terms. If your right, you lose nothing. If i am right, you have everything to gain.
LOL Pascal's wager.
You also act like the human mind is incapable of flaw. I can quite literally force myself to have strong hallucinations, for instance; doesn't make them real.
stop trippin'
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-03-04 01:28:36
I understand getting 0 because of not following order of operations, but how do you get 5 out of that?
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-03-04 01:29:35
i guess if you treat the half after the minus as all negative
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-03-04 01:30:16
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »Well, i know my God and have experienced Him too much to ever be told otherwise. You cant tell someone something does not exist when they know 100% that it does.
But after all, in your own terms. If your right, you lose nothing. If i am right, you have everything to gain.
LOL Pascal's wager.
You also act like the human mind is incapable of flaw. I can quite literally force myself to have strong hallucinations, for instance; doesn't make them real.
stop trippin'
It's how I write /shrug
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-03-04 01:33:34
poor mathing, and you're claiming your hallucinating due to how you write?
cool.
I meant stop with the lsd son.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-03-04 01:33:39
i guess if you treat the half after the minus as all negative I don't see any parentheses for distribution >_>
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By Bismarck.Longkissgnight 2012-03-04 01:33:43
Valefor.Slipispsycho said: »Bismarck.Longkissgnight said: »Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »Well, i know my God and have experienced Him too much to ever be told otherwise. You cant tell someone something does not exist when they know 100% that it does.
But after all, in your own terms. If your right, you lose nothing. If i am right, you have everything to gain.
Pascal's Wager? Really?
Well; if i knew you guys in rl we could chill and eat, my treat, i don't need to argue these things, but knowing what i have experienced, i have a hearts desire to reach out to people, but since you guys are more hostile then communicative, i can tell my beliefs have no validity and only yours do. Good day, guys, good day.
Atheists are Hostile? Maybe with our mouths, but not with air planes, and strap on bombs :D Don't you know by now? You have to agree with someone's religious beliefs or you are attacking their beliefs.
Oops!
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-03-04 01:36:21
i guess if you treat the half after the minus as all negative I don't see any parentheses for distribution >_>
now you see why my mind why so full of ***.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-03-04 01:51:01
Ugh...Can't we all just agree that we want people to live happy lives regardless of whether they believe in a deity or not?
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-03-04 01:52:38
Ugh...Can't we all just agree that we want people to live happy lives regardless of whether they believe in a deity or not?
not saying I disagree but it would assume that everyone wants that...
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-03-04 01:54:38
I just saw the virgin mary in my tortilla
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-03-04 01:57:42
I'd want to improve my life, but this apathy ***just makes me not care about ***. I don't even get happy or sad about anything.
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2012-03-04 01:57:55
Ugh...Can't we all just agree that we want people to live happy lives regardless of whether they believe in a deity or not? Since when has anyone ever wanted to just live a happy life? Seems like everyone gets off on bitching and moaning about how horrible their life is.
By Artemicion 2012-03-04 02:00:24
I just saw the virgin mary in my tortilla
Ebay my friend.
Make your fortune off gullibility.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/25/atheists-temple_n_1231848.html?ref=religion
<ninja edit>Title should have a "WTF???!!!" at the end</ninja edit>
I know how the FFXIAH regulars probably despise such religious rant threads, but as an agnostic/atheist this wound me up beyond belief. Plus I felt it different enough to not constitute the standard religion bashing threads that go on (and I would appreciate it not becoming one thanks guyz ^^) and at least put it in the right category.
Now, my thoughts
This man is a money grabbing douche-bag, ill-representing atheists world wide. He is essentially the Joseph Smith of atheists. He will take advantage of the disillusioned people who need to be led to feel like they belong, while continually gaining bad press for atheists. Would surprise me not if he were on the Pope's payroll either.
This seriously irks me. Is this honestly trying to portray all Atheists as immoral hedonists? Any non retard can tell you there is much to be taken and learnt from religion. Most atheists I know have a larger understanding of religions inner teachings than generic religious "I go to church once a year making me Christian" folk.
If the author of this article had simply read a little about the author of these books, who's other works look close to "12-step self help" style nonsense. He would come across gems like:
"In August 2008, he was a founding member of a new educational establishment in central London called The School of Life (crazy?). In May 2009, he was a founding member of a new architectural organization called "Living Architecture" (that would explain why he wants to build temples)"
and a quote:
"The idea is to challenge traditional universities and reorganize knowledge, directing it towards life, and away from knowledge for its own sake. In a modest way, it’s an institution that is trying to give people what universities should I think always give them: a sense of direction and wisdom for their lives with the help of culture."
Does countering the pursuit of knowledge to "give direction and wisdom" while building temples of worship and demanding payment for your books sound bloody Atheist to you? No, it sounds more like 'The Way to Happiness'. Author L. Ron Hubbard
Basically he is taking the most fundamentally hard part about being atheist, ie. removing the prospect of some fluffy afterlife, not trying to answer "the meaning" of life with a two thousand year old self help book etc.; Then filling that void with his artificial life-purpose & "faith" books & temples to make living seem worthwhile again (presumably for those who feel they need these things in life for it to have validity) for the sake of lining his pockets. I get it, I do, He saw a market to making Atheism more accessible and easier for the semi-religious to migrate to... but it is not atheism, it is something fundamentally manipulative and evil and I would rather said people stayed religious for their own benefit and mine. I would rather they believed in a magical non-existent sheep that made them feel better about themselves, than a real wolf in sheep's clothing that slowly chomps on their leg. (metaphorically speaking, don't be insulted please)
It is the underlying attitude that life without "faith" of some description is somehow not worth living that angers me most about this and religion debates in general. I live a perfectly happy moral life accepting there is no purpose, safe in the knowledge that if there were a purpose, I would probably be conforming to it anyway by default simply by being alive.
I also highly respect those WITH faith as being people with a level of devotion to something I will likely never feel. Granted I still think they are crazies for believing nonsense (personal opinion, sorry) but I am not going to try and strip away from them the grounding in belief that keeps their life happy.
It almost seems wrong to paraphrase 'The Matrix', but in more ways than one it is a perfect analogy for my agnostic belief. A lot of people are simply not ready to wake up.
That is all
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