Atheists Get Place Of Worship??
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Atheists get place of worship??
Well put Sparthosx.
Also if you guys/gals are as bored as I am right now I just found this awesome version of the bible while looking for atheistic stuff. Its a lego version. :D
http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/index.html To quote Penn Jillette; "The fastest way to convert someone to atheism is to have them read the bible" Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Caitsith.Mahayaya said: » The "Atheist movement" can be just as scary as any "religious movement" has been. Being an atheist is fine and dandy, I'm one. But it's scary when people become Atheists(note the capitalization as if it were a group of people). Having people gather and find out there are others like them is a good thing, but in this situation I can't see it being a lasting event. After you get past explaining how you became an atheist what more do you have to talk about? The best result would be a group that chooses to "show those religious folk" that atheists can do good in the world too, by visiting nursing homes and doing community work. The worst result(and more likely outcome) is a group that chooses to "show those religious folk" by trying to turn others away from their religion forcefully. The best thing to do is just leave each other alone. If someone confronts you about religion or non-religion, you're welcome to speak about it then, but until then it's better to just keep to yourself and friends. Quote: exempted religiously affiliated institutions including Roman Catholic hospitals, universities and charities from a healthcare reform provision requiring free insurance coverage for women's birth control drugs and devices. So I mean for as much as you make the religious man a powerhouse it seems like more people don't agree with that way of thinking. You lump Monotheists into one big ball and it seems like that is that for you and well that's just ridiculous and short sighted. There are many people in this world that are good people regardless of whether they are monotheists. Personally, I get the reason why people speak out against religion when it conflicts with something that, say for example, would affect the way our government is run and affect how we treat the rights of fellow citizens. That I understand and anyone has their own right to stand up and fight for what they think is right. What I don't get is when others come out and open assault someone for thier faith even if they haven't done anything. Oh hey look at the retard over there for beleiving in the fairy tail in the sky or they must be weak or stupid because they need religion. Beleive it or not but many who have faith and follow a montheistic tradition are respectful and intelligent human beings capable of free thought. Just as many who choose to follow another path in life are as well.
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Yet abortion is still legal (to an extent), Religion is still banned from public schools (ideally) and I'm not sure what you're talking about with women other then what would be covered by abortion/birth control. The bill recently brought by Republicans that would have exempted religiously affiliated institutions including Roman Catholic hospitals, universities and charities from a healthcare reform provision requiring free insurance coverage for women's birth control drugs and devices. was set aside by the senate and will not go through. Quote: So I mean for as much as you make the religious man a powerhouse it seems like more people don't agree with that way of thinking. You lump Monotheists into one big ball and it seems like that is that for you and well that's just ridiculous and short sighted. There are many people in this world that are good people regardless of whether they are monotheists. And these laws are constantly under assault and the only way you're going to prevent them from being overturned is to be vocal about it. The law brought forth by Republicans today only failed by three votes which shows you where a significant portion of our representatives are trying to take the country.It isn't towards mutual respect for our fellow human beings and it's being driven by religious beliefs. Gay Marriage which boils down to equal rights for fellow people and is still a hotbutton topic of our time. Why is it so hard to simply allow people to live the way they want to live? I'm sure we both know the answer to that. Can you believe that Rick Santorum is seriously being considered for POTUS? He's practically at Romney's throat solely with his diatribe of hatred, injustice and force-fed theism. He doesn't agree with abortions so no one should have abortions because his particular brand of Christianity commands it. Yeah, that isn't disturbing at all. Quote: Personally, I get the reason why people speak out against religion when it conflicts with something that, say for example, would affect the way our government is run and affect how we treat the rights of fellow citizens. That I understand and anyone has their own right to stand up and fight for what they think is right. What I don't get is when others come out and open assault someone for thier faith even if they haven't done anything. Oh hey look at the retard over there for beleiving in the fairy tail in the sky or they must be weak or stupid because they need religion. Here me and you agree completely. I've never been for the type of *** atheist who decides to mock religion just because they feel it's inferior because to me that'd be playing the same game that led to genocide across the centuries. If you keep your beliefs out of the public sphere and are an overall moral person guess what? I'm more than happy to reciprocate that behavior because it is what I expect of all people. I'll attend your church services and follow the customs so long as it keeps with an overall message of peace and love for all. The problem is that a large portion of people out there do not see as we do and those people constantly try to inject their belief into the public arena. Abortion suddenly becomes this moral plague, separation of church and state is worthy of puking and religious institutions who are asked to keep their belief out of government are being "attacked" by secular forces. Yeah man, how dare we attempt to keep this country a democracy! In those case it becomes fair game to criticize and call out these people for trying to impose their faith upon everyone unilaterally. That ultimately is what the major players in the Atheism movement do and many fellow non-believers disagree with their thoughts. How many articles alone called out Hitchens on his approaches to dealing with Iraq back when he penned opinion pieces on that? Quote: Beleive it or not but many who have faith and follow a montheistic tradition are respectful and intelligent human beings capable of free thought. Just as many who choose to follow another path in life are as well. I'm aware as I was raised by two myself. last post had a wordy dirty in it so i deleted it
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Religious thought and the line of thinking that allows it to thrive and prosper is a plague to humanity and is holding us back. How can you blame people for speaking the truth? Also just because somebody is capable of free thought or are intelligent doesn't mean they use it. edit: that's my point of view on it anyway. Bismarck.Markas said: » last post had a wordy dirty in it so i deleted it HA! Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » I'll inject some of the content above: Religious thought and the line of thinking that allows it to thrive and prosper is a plague to humanity and is holding us back. How can you blame people for speaking the truth? Also just because somebody is capable of free thought or are intelligent doesn't mean they use it. edit: that's my point of view on it anyway. Unless they are nihilistic like me, they should believe in good and evil.
Phoenix.Bomber said: » Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » I'll inject some of the content above: Religious thought and the line of thinking that allows it to thrive and prosper is a plague to humanity and is holding us back. How can you blame people for speaking the truth? Also just because somebody is capable of free thought or are intelligent doesn't mean they use it. edit: that's my point of view on it anyway. but typically they are subjective. not to mention that you can lack a belief in a god and still have beliefs. I don't believe in morals. The way I was raised is apart of my nature now which means what I believe has very little effect on my actions. If I step back an analyze things, I don't see how killing another human is any different than killing any other animal. Of course, that's my analysis without being influenced by human emotion, and I would never find it easy killing anything let alone another person.
Odin.Tsuneo said: » I don't believe in morals. The way I was raised is apart of my nature now which means what I believe has very little effect on my actions. If I step back an analyze things, I don't see how killing another human is any different than killing any other animal. Of course, that's my analysis without being influenced by human emotion, and I would never find it easy killing anything let alone another person. you do realize that those are morals, it's your set of right/wrong. Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » I dont have enough faith to be an atheist. You don't believe in God? While God doesn't believe in atheist. :D lacking a belief in a deity requires no faith... Yeah, I meant I don't believe there should be morals, but they are already ingrained in me.
Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » I dont have enough faith to be an atheist. You don't believe in God? While God doesn't believe in atheist. :D lacking a belief in a deity requires no faith... The basis atheist claim to have no faith on, is science. The scientific theory of evolution is just that, a "theory". I'm sorry, but i dont have enough faith to believe in atheist treasured evolution. I didn't lose faith because of science. I lost faith because religion is a crock of ***.
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Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » I dont have enough faith to be an atheist. You don't believe in God? While God doesn't believe in atheist. :D lacking a belief in a deity requires no faith... The basis atheist claim to have no faith on, is science. The scientific theory of evolution is just that, a "theory". I'm sorry, but i dont have enough faith to believe in atheist treasured evolution. The only reason why evolution is just a "theory" is because we don't have a time machine to go back and see it. But trust me, this isn't just some guy sitting behind a desk theory crafting about where we came from. There are mountains of evidence for evolution. You want a modern day example? Viruses and bacteria have EVOLVED to become resistant to medicine. I just can't even believe I have to explain this... Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » I dont have enough faith to be an atheist. You don't believe in God? While God doesn't believe in atheist. :D lacking a belief in a deity requires no faith... The basis atheist claim to have no faith on, is science. The scientific theory of evolution is just that, a "theory". I'm sorry, but i dont have enough faith to believe in atheist treasured evolution. no the basic atheist claims nothing, what you're describing is something else. As for your "theory" comment, you need to go learn science as you obviously don't understand it. gravity is technically "just a theory" too, I'd like to see you drift off into space.
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Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » I dont have enough faith to be an atheist. You don't believe in God? While God doesn't believe in atheist. :D lacking a belief in a deity requires no faith... The basis atheist claim to have no faith on, is science. The scientific theory of evolution is just that, a "theory". I'm sorry, but i dont have enough faith to believe in atheist treasured evolution. You say that as though a theory were something dreamt after a night of heavy drinking. Odin.Tsuneo said: » Yeah, I meant I don't believe there should be morals, but they are already ingrained in me. Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » I dont have enough faith to be an atheist. You don't believe in God? While God doesn't believe in atheist. :D lacking a belief in a deity requires no faith... The basis atheist claim to have no faith on, is science. The scientific theory of evolution is just that, a "theory". I'm sorry, but i dont have enough faith to believe in atheist treasured evolution. I didn't lose faith because of science. I lost faith because religion is a crock of ***. well I had the fortunate opportunity to create my own, but some were taught to me, those I'm still trying to rid myself of. Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » I dont have enough faith to be an atheist. You don't believe in God? While God doesn't believe in atheist. :D lacking a belief in a deity requires no faith... The basis atheist claim to have no faith on, is science. The scientific theory of evolution is just that, a "theory". I'm sorry, but i dont have enough faith to believe in atheist treasured evolution. 
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Asura.Lolserj said: » Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » I dont have enough faith to be an atheist. You don't believe in God? While God doesn't believe in atheist. :D lacking a belief in a deity requires no faith... The basis atheist claim to have no faith on, is science. The scientific theory of evolution is just that, a "theory". I'm sorry, but i dont have enough faith to believe in atheist treasured evolution. for once I'm in agreement with you sir. Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » Asura.Lolserj said: » Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » I dont have enough faith to be an atheist. You don't believe in God? While God doesn't believe in atheist. :D lacking a belief in a deity requires no faith... The basis atheist claim to have no faith on, is science. The scientific theory of evolution is just that, a "theory". I'm sorry, but i dont have enough faith to believe in atheist treasured evolution. for once I'm in agreement with you sir. :( we both like guns Phoenix.Bomber said: » I wonder if atheists believe in bad and good if so they are no different than religious ppl Wut? "Bad" and "Good" can both be defined by social interactions without any divine command. Humans can and have arrived at these conclusions that certain actions are reprehensible and others are beneficial from observation of other species and through trial and error. Murder is frowned upon generally because killing someone not only evokes an emotional response from members of the family unit but also takes hands away from upkeeping a village or maintaining small group of hunter-gatherers. It's pretty hard to survive in a group if everyone is trying to kill eachother and so the groups that refrained from killing eachother were able reproduce and pass on this valuable lesson. In time laws form that punish members of the group and so today most people see murder as abhorrent. Of course this typically only applies to the group that you're apart of and many groups have no qualms killing people of other tribes. Over time we've come to expand our thoughts on the topic and expanding rights to people outside our social group but "bad" and "good" are purely subjective. Asura.Lolserj said: » Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » Asura.Lolserj said: » Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » Bahamut.Jetackuu said: » Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » I dont have enough faith to be an atheist. You don't believe in God? While God doesn't believe in atheist. :D lacking a belief in a deity requires no faith... The basis atheist claim to have no faith on, is science. The scientific theory of evolution is just that, a "theory". I'm sorry, but i dont have enough faith to believe in atheist treasured evolution. for once I'm in agreement with you sir. :( we both like guns think they're cool, thinking about getting one now since I just got my taxes back. I like guns too. I've never owned one, but I think I'm going to get a 1911 for my first.
Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » Well, i know my God and have experienced Him too much to ever be told otherwise. You cant tell someone something does not exist when they know 100% that it does. But after all, in your own terms. If your right, you lose nothing. If i am right, you have everything to gain. Pascal's Wager? Really? |
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