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lv.99 MNK TP set
Phoenix.Valory
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By Phoenix.Valory 2012-10-04 17:21:53
DY will handle Gamayun pretty easily. Ducal guard and then use whatever DPS atma you have, pet food is enough to keep DY up and during the day time the regen you probably wouldn't need food at all. Which is good, cause DY will also do pathetically weak damage and it takes a long time to kill. But you can usually team up with someone who is farming maere for souls.
Honestly the only thing that allowed me to stay sane while farming Gama for my monk seals was the fact that I was also getting smn seals for my mule.
By Peldin 2012-10-04 17:28:00
Quote: That setup is overkill. Two people in range with good PDT gear + a WHM that can rotate Curaga IV/V is easily sufficient. Sufficient =/= reliable
Quote: Gamayun is actually fairly simple as well. Simple, but just really time consuming. Takes longer to kill and at least 10x longer to respawn.
Beastmaster solo farming for +1's is an incredible waste of time for me. Some people can do that but I'm pretty sure I'd go crazy spending that many hours on +1s
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By Siren.Mosin 2012-10-04 17:30:42
Quote: That setup is overkill. Two people in range with good PDT gear + a WHM that can rotate Curaga IV/V is easily sufficient. Sufficient =/= reliable Quote: Gamayun is actually fairly simple as well. Simple, but just really time consuming. Takes longer to kill and at least 10x longer to respawn.
agreed.
I was just throwing it out there, in case dude who asked the question is as anti-social as me, & doesn't want to find help to get ***done.
By Peldin 2012-10-04 17:37:03
Quote: I was just throwing it out there, in case dude who asked the question is as anti-social as me....
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-10-04 17:45:31
Quote: That setup is overkill. Two people in range with good PDT gear + a WHM that can rotate Curaga IV/V is easily sufficient. Sufficient =/= reliable Why would I post an unreliable setup? Even a fairly barebones WHM is going to Curaga IV for ~1100 HP. Curaga V of course will heal more. Two people are only going to take 2k damage each per 4k Needles before PDT. Even with barebones PDT gear there's no risk of failure unless people are asleep at the keyboard.
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By Siren.Mosin 2012-10-04 17:45:36
Quote: I was just throwing it out there, in case dude who asked the question is as anti-social as me.... User: BKiddo Posts: 2,137 Just had to =D
lmao!
fair.... enough....
I think in-game I just got hooked up with some bad shells. My first was amazing & the way a shell should be run, but dissolved before ToAH because 1 pillar joined the navy, & the other was involved in some kind of shady account deletion. every shell I found post that was bad luck chuck, typical leaders get everything, ect. so right around the time abby came out I decided to go all lone wolf on everyones' ***. it's been a few fun years playing with just a couple friends & ze wife, but ya, mostly solo these days. so I guess I was talking anti-social in vana'diel, as opposed to reality.
good times!
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-10-04 18:02:52
Been ages since I fought it but pretty sure it's stunnable, so yes that helps. Reaving Wind lands too, but I'm not sure how much it reduces TP for NMs off hand. Don't think Delta Thrust sticks.
By Peldin 2012-10-04 18:18:07
I'm not going to suggest "minimum people/optimal gear" setups to someone who's asking advice on +1 NMs. 6 people allows for mistakes and lack of gear. 3 people does not and the fight takes longer so there are more opportunities to make mistakes.
If you have friends who's skill you can trust, go for it. If you hold those same expectations for random strangers, you're eventually going to be disappointed.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-10-04 18:29:39
I don't recall saying that you have to go with three, only that it can be done with three (or even less). Nor does my strategy require anything resembling optimal DT sets (see: "barebones PDT"). Your post strongly suggested that bringing significantly more people was a requirement.
Regarding shout groups, frankly I wouldn't farm Emperador with any number of randoms. Gamayun is much safer if you're uncertain of your group.
Going to drop this discussion.
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By Peldin 2012-10-04 19:57:25
Quote: I don't recall saying that you have to go with three, only that it can be done with three (or even less). Nor does my strategy require anything resembling optimal DT sets (see: "barebones PDT"). Your post strongly suggested that bringing significantly more people was a requirement. My post addressed the question that was asked. It was a question directed to me. I gave my suggestion based on the discussion above. Your post, albeit correct, isn't as relative (my opinion). Although that's highly subjective to the person who's asking. From my experience, the people that ask for advice on how to do +1 NMs are not the people you want to suggest bare minimum requirements for.
To each his own though.
I guess it would've been more appropriate for me to answer as such:
Quote: How do you deal with 4k needles spam? PDT gear, stuns, multiple bodies, or a combination of that mix... and aoe heals.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Avengers 2012-10-04 22:04:34
Quote: got a reliable way to deal with the 4k needles spam? THF, WHM, BLU, BRD, BLM, and either a NIN or MNK. If you go with MNK, have THF sub NIN.
This is pretty much the best setup for any +1 seals, but it's more of a requirement for this boss. You have all yellow procs covered. You have highest TH. You have stuns from BLM and BLU. You have AoE heals from WHM. As long as your WHM has AF3+2 legs, mana will never be an issue.
If you have MNK instead of NIN, let THF evasion tank at first while you get proc. It's way easier to get the hint and proc when NM health is high. Once you proc, full attack. WHM should only have to single heal THF while looking for proc. After that, should only be using AoE heals every time NM uses needles. BRD sings double march and keeps haste on everyone. Can find hint quickly by spamming threnodies. BLU should have both sudden lunge and head butt set. When NM is below 50% he should be stun locking NM. BLM can use stun as a backup. With double marches, NM should go down pretty dang fast (depends on gear).
Basically the idea is that even though he can and will use 4k needles back to back multiple times, he should never be able to get off more than 1 before your WHM has used Curaga and got you all back to full health. He might get off 2 if a stun is missed, but even 2 back to back is only 1333 damage to each person.
Anyway. I've also done the fight many times without the ideal setup. IE - WHM, BLM, BST/NIN, BST/DNC, BST/DNC, BST/DNC. You won't guarantee yellow, and your TH won't be as good, but you can rotate 8 stuns, and even if you can't stun, you have 10 bodies to soak up needles. NM won't die as fast either, but that shouldn't matter.
This worked amazingly well, I can't thank you enough Peldin, was able to get the last 6 seals tonight, so I got my +2 body now.
On a side note, I did 5 pops for Hills are alive for my Egg for Black belt (last item I need), 0/5 on egg -.-
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By Phoenix.Valory 2012-10-05 11:34:01
Quetzalcoatl.Avengers said: »Quote: got a reliable way to deal with the 4k needles spam? THF, WHM, BLU, BRD, BLM, and either a NIN or MNK. If you go with MNK, have THF sub NIN.
This is pretty much the best setup for any +1 seals, but it's more of a requirement for this boss. You have all yellow procs covered. You have highest TH. You have stuns from BLM and BLU. You have AoE heals from WHM. As long as your WHM has AF3+2 legs, mana will never be an issue.
If you have MNK instead of NIN, let THF evasion tank at first while you get proc. It's way easier to get the hint and proc when NM health is high. Once you proc, full attack. WHM should only have to single heal THF while looking for proc. After that, should only be using AoE heals every time NM uses needles. BRD sings double march and keeps haste on everyone. Can find hint quickly by spamming threnodies. BLU should have both sudden lunge and head butt set. When NM is below 50% he should be stun locking NM. BLM can use stun as a backup. With double marches, NM should go down pretty dang fast (depends on gear).
Basically the idea is that even though he can and will use 4k needles back to back multiple times, he should never be able to get off more than 1 before your WHM has used Curaga and got you all back to full health. He might get off 2 if a stun is missed, but even 2 back to back is only 1333 damage to each person.
Anyway. I've also done the fight many times without the ideal setup. IE - WHM, BLM, BST/NIN, BST/DNC, BST/DNC, BST/DNC. You won't guarantee yellow, and your TH won't be as good, but you can rotate 8 stuns, and even if you can't stun, you have 10 bodies to soak up needles. NM won't die as fast either, but that shouldn't matter.
This worked amazingly well, I can't thank you enough Peldin, was able to get the last 6 seals tonight, so I got my +2 body now.
On a side note, I did 5 pops for Hills are alive for my Egg for Black belt (last item I need), 0/5 on egg -.-
Welcome to the sad lonely turtle club.... he holds back because nobody would visit him otherwise!
By Peldin 2012-10-07 23:38:11
Wait wtf? Thaumas Coat is better than Tantra Cyclas +2 even when Impetus is up?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-10-07 23:39:34
Not always.
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By Ragnarok.Lowen 2012-10-08 17:08:25
Thaumas coat is only better when in attack capped, accuracy capped situations, I thought. I rarely find myself under those circumstances.
By Peldin 2012-10-08 18:06:30
I gotcha
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-10-08 18:06:55
Thaumas coat is only better when in attack capped, accuracy capped situations, I thought. I rarely find myself under those circumstances. Not quite.
By Peldin 2012-10-08 18:36:02
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-10-08 18:39:35
Thaumas is going to be better than Cyclas +2 unless critical hits are a big deal or you're struggling for accuracy, usually those two things coincide. So pretty much Thaumas for everything unless you have a very kick *** TP-Acc set to make your MNK worth something on high level content.
By Peldin 2012-10-08 19:03:11
Those 2 sentences are conflicting, but I got the point anyway. I actually forgot about the accuracy bonus from Cyclas +2. Although I think I'd rather just eat pizza for *need acc* scenarios and just always TP in Thaumas.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-10-08 19:04:55
They're not conflicting at all.
By Peldin 2012-10-08 20:11:59
Quote: Thaumas is going to be better than Cyclas +2 unless... you're struggling for accuracy
Thaumas for everything unless you have a very kick *** TP-Acc set I see what you meant. But it looks like you're saying to use Thaumas unless you need accuracy... and then saying to use Thaumas unless you have good accuracy.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-10-08 20:16:04
No, because if you have a good acc TP set, you'd still use Cyclas +2 on higher level targets because crits are far more powerful than non-crits then. And if you don't have a good acc set, then you're damage is going to suck either way, and you shouldn't have gone MNK.
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By Shiva.Pheare 2012-10-20 07:40:22
Looked through the thread, and just want a bit of confirmation. Are these the best sets(if acc is capped)?
Attack Capped:
Attack Uncapped:
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By Fenrir.Kut 2012-10-20 07:46:14
Attack capped and uncapped
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By Vijara 2012-10-20 07:47:44
I would use Nomkahpha mittens over the af3+2 hands.
Edit: Kut beat me to it.
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By Sylph.Peldin 2012-10-20 08:01:54
Ghillie Earring is completely useless when you're attack/accuracy capped.
I think Tantra Earring is best when attack capped.
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Shiva.Pheare
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By Shiva.Pheare 2012-10-20 08:04:03
Thanks much. I don't really have the means to get mittens now, so I'll hold onto af3+2, but its good to know that both capped/uncapped attack is same set.
Hello all,
Hope you all had a Merry Christmas.
I never really bothered with the math between 90~95. At 99 is this the
optimal TP set for MNK.
Does this set bring us to MAX tier? Or is it too much? Let me know it would be appreciated.
Thankyou
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