Which New Weapon Skills To Merit?

Even though my last few responses seem to have been misinterpreted(they were all genuine and well-intended, I assure you), I'm trying to stay within the confines of what people are wanting to discuss in this thread.

Lets take this somewhere else, because I'd like to continue.

I think those ws ate the best to merit cuz it gives those jobs better variety with their ws. Like. Caladbolg. Torcleaver for am, then melee/resolutions and last stand is a good as for mobs that are resistant to wild fire etc and star diver...hmmm yeah. That. And shoha is like tachi gekko from 75 cap but better

Interesting read from a spectator's point of view.
One post in particular made me laugh, but quoting it would just stir up the thread even more, so I'll leave it at that.
Good way to kill boredom.

Quote it!!

Interesting indeed. I normally never post anything because I like to lurk, but I really couldn't contain myself with this one.

Maybe if I didn't prefer dudes. :3 I dunno lol it's just a fun ws.^^ Also I'm tired of Drakes. :X


amg scary 3000-page thread is scary. o__o I think everyone should just keep on keepin' on. *nod nod*

I don't think you have the stones, sir.

DO NOT MUCK UP THE RANDOM THOUGHTS THREAD AND GET IT DELETED......(yes the caps were necessary!)

Much love. Forgive me... and that other horse's behind who inspired me.

No it isnt unless You have no other melee that can benefit more from other WSs. Spiral w/o good set is barely better than Asuran and its not worth it in case of many melee lvled.
If you have money and time to build set for Spiral that will pull it close to vsmite you have time and money to build Veret (You talking a lot about Minjo but he the only one so far who can read with understanding and not ignoring what I just wrote like 3rd time)

EDIT: Not to mention ignoring the fact that you can buy Empy which is the easiest method of all avaible for solo casual player.

Don't have empy/relic settle for ws that's weaker than the merit one. K

OP though, depending on jobs you have and (most importantly) enjoy playing. I'd go with Shoha, Stardiver and Extenturator (w/e the hell the dagger one is called), or if not Exten, go with Last Stand if you enjoy guns, or Resolution if you enjoy Gsword (which multi tasks to drk AND war, and both get great numbers from it). They seem to be pretty good in the dmg department, with an easily accessed stat mod. (Though in the case of stardiver I was told the EU client is worded wrong and it says Dex, whereas NA says STR. I believe STR is the correct mod. Idk, some EU mithra told me her merit category said dex, maybe she was just ultra tired :P).

Iphigenia, I'm unable to respond to PMs. Your message hasn't been ignored.

Keep shooting blanks partner. :P

However he said that the jobs he spends more time on are mnk, dnc, pld and war. Therefore Shijin and either Exent or Upheaval seem the more reasonable choices...no?

Ok you play stupid now...
Its not a choice between having a slightly better WS and not having a slightly better WS but its a choice between having a slightly better WS INSTEAD of having other WS that might benefit you more. Its perfectly obvious that if you have only MNK then you should merit h2h WS because even that shoha is super cool you wont ever use it. I was under the impression that statin obvious is not a case here tho but the case is to choose 3 most benefit WSs of all we can merit and Spiral is not a top contender. Instead of trying to be funny and cool with your short saractic posts you could take a time and try to understand what I'm trying to write.

Mighty strikes resolution is op

Makes sense, for some reason I only thought of the "primary" weapon of the corresponding jobs. My mistake there.

I literally cannot. That feature was taken away from me.

Someone's been a bad boy.

Resolution actually also extends to pld, if he is feelin saucy and wants to use Gsword on pld... So ya. But I gave my opinion in options to the OP (stardiver also works for war i believe, and actually has a REALLY good added effect), so my job here is done. no trolling, no fighting, just info... :P

Reminds me of Starcade, only way better at FFXI and English.

Minjo, I'm just pulling your tail... Why so serious?

Because I'm trying to make it clear that I'm not out to get a rise out of you. It's frustrating to have someone get upset over what was well-intended.

I'm going to call it as I see it: disingenuous. And that is the very last thing I will say to you. considering the flaming pile of crap you just dumped into the random thoughts thread, I'm sure I won't have to be the one who slaps your wrist.

K I was under the assumption that "casual" players had mediocre to decent gear and therefore wouldn't be sitting on massive cash reserves because of their lack of play time. If they were playing mnk or pup or w.e, sure their fantasy goal would be to get a relic or empy. What I'm say is that if they only play mnk. The. Yeah they should just got ahead and get spiral cuz its by far much less of a time sink and eventually they can get their relic or empy. And having a slightly better ws is still better than not having it. Also I'm saying that you should get the ws for the jobs you use the most. And instead of accusing me that I play dumb when you haven't even played with me is just as annoying as you implying that I'm trying to be funny and sarcastic with my posts.

And I'm well aware that spiral isn't the best merit ws so you can stop being someone's fanboy and nit-picking at everything I say

To support this check my profile and my gear. I'm casual. My gear is decent at best and I have enough gil to feed my moogle but really nothing to write home about.

If someone is nitpicking its you I think.
I said "you play stupid" as you intentionally acting like stupid in your posts not play stupid in ffxi lol.
Whats a point in saying that you should merit h2h when you are in a situation where no other WSs will benefit you because you dont play other jobs much?
Its obvious you should merit Spiral even if you have Veret and only play MNK because it can be useful for solo (plague effect) but the whoel point of the OP was to choose best WSs for someone who play many melee jobs in this case that was DNC PLD MNK and WAR and I was reffering to this in all my posts.

K in those regards then dagger,greatsword and g.axe

And if you read back I made a statement in regards to the op

Atoreis: I'll respond to all you're posts here.

Firstly, you seem to not have Spharai despite your abundance of relic/emps. As such, please go check the bg parse by Julio comparing smite vs spiral pre and post spharai completion. Spiral pre-spharai falls behind smite by 3~4% on the whole which, yes, does not surpass smite, but is certainly a good alternative (this is outside abyssea).

Secondly, as we don't even know if the OP has his 5/5 +2 af3 then that would be a significantly more beneficial use for his time than farming veret, or even Spharai.

Next up, forming a decent build for spiral is far from hard, in fact I will post an acceptable set for the casual to midrange player shortly, or you could just check http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/27173/shijin-spiral/ for Hito's little post. Not very hard, and apex is a whole lot easier even for SAM.

The idea of buying emps is, yes, practical and possible. However for most casual players, that 30~50m will have much more practical uses before that person even begins to work on the weapon. For perhaps 10% of that the individual could complete a strong setup for spiral or apex, both increasing their farm speed, apex especially. Once they have a certain standard of gear, they could find 2~ more people to casually static with far more easily, quickly and cost effectively than forking out gil to idiots who will wind up looking down on them.