Which New Weapon Skills To Merit?

Way to derail it. Again. Should just get a mod to nuke the threads everytime he or someone else starts this

Atoreis, sorry to burst your bubble a little but...did you actually read ANY of the OP's post? Or are you just one of those morons who can't think outside a small sphere?


And you:


Do you not get the meaning of a casual player? This effectively rules out any chance of having Spharai, even with how easy dynamis is now.

Furthermore, do you not get the meaning of not having an event LS? This effectively rules out any chance of getting certain progress to ward mythic with efficient help, and dropping back to him being casual, he is unlikely to have time to work off PuGs, = no KKK.

And veret, while the easiest option, is not something that can be reliably solo'd by 99% of the player base, and OP has already mentioned that he lacks top end atma, and again - is CASUAL.


On point for OP.

Sword is situational, it has uses for BLU as a chain WS, and also as the second best WS you get after chant, so dont rule it out. Furthermore it bypasses any phys immunities, so good for killing things like flans, jellies and things that use -DT/-PDT.

Great axe and Great sword are both incredibly strong, great sword more so but neither should be ruled out. If main war, I tend to find GA doing more on higher end content, but for lower end GS is king.

As has been said, if you play dnc a lot, the dagger WS is very useful. Exception to this would be if you play dnc is abyssea only, or nearly only, in which case evis. is still notably better.

You say you dont play rng much, so rule out gun - although very powerful, even exceeding it's emp counterparts in certain situations, it would be wasted if not used.

H2H, as has been said, is very potent outside abyssea. Inside, sticking as ascetic's fury is the better option if you have RR atma at very least, and even more so if you have GH.

Axe WS again is very potent outside abys, and if you have an itching to play dual wield war, or especially bst, then its a strong option.

Scythe is a solo tool in any situation you would run out of MP as DRK. To be fairly honest, its mostly a weak option.

Polearm, as has been said, is a strong option. To answer some questions, the damage is about level with drakesbane, assuming a decent drakes set allowing for a decent amount of crits to land on average. Stardiver > Drakesbane chains as well for good SC dmg. Honestly speaking though, if you aren't main drg, or at LEAST main sam, then pass this by as drakes is on par/situationally better.

Katana is a decent WS, but if you arent main NIN then you can do without it.

Great Katana is, as you will have seen and heard, very very potent, easily destroying it's emp counterpart fudo. If you play SAM at ALL, then keep this 5/5, as it blows away any other options besides Kaiten in some situations.

Club is strong, but since the nerf it has lost its overpowering use. While remaining a very strong option for melee WHM, and even blu and pld in situations, you could easily pass this by.

Staff, pretty much the same as club except hasn't been nerfed. If your main job isn't a staff user, then pass this by, you wont miss much.

And finally, archery. Apex is pretty damn powerful to be fair, and is usable by SAM without subbing RNG, which makes for a lot of usage in 'casual' content like dynamis and abyssea. A sam using quint spear and a decent bow can solo a lot of gil in dynamis using this and /dnc, spamming WSs every 5~10 seconds after proc. To be perfectly frank: you wont put out the same numbers as a rng main, honestly you will struggle to come close, but a good set will see you throwing out 2.5k on EM or lower fairly easily. Long story short, for casual content and a decently geared sam, this WS is a truly amazing option.

Not exactly. If you basically ignore what Atoreis says, you don't lose anything.

Spiral is basically asuran fists +2 or so. For actual dmg per WS, its around even with smite outside abys, and inside both smite/ascetics are better.

For a MNK with access to emp, smite to keep up aftermath is a given, and even with fake emp, smite is still generally more useful that spiral, thus making it irrelevant.

The only reason it gets mentioned as relic specific is because relic does not have access to smite, but outparses veret anyway, and outside abys spiral beats any other WS.

For those who ignored Atoreis: Spiral is the #1 WS outside abys assuming you don't have smite. Inside abys you either have smite or use ascetics.

Them spoilers.
So pretty much if you got empy, then spiral isn't necessary unless you want it for looks. If you got relic, then get spiral. And if you have neither and you play mnk/pup a lot then you should get it?

Them spoilers.
So pretty much if you got empy, then spiral isn't necessary unless you want it for looks. If you got relic, then get spiral. And if you have neither and you play mnk/pup a lot then you should get it?

Again with the reading what you want to read. I was having a perfectly friendly discussion with Seiri when everyone came out of the woodwork to take jabs. Feel free to review the thread.

Ideally yes, expect for that fact that Atoreis is saying if you don't have relic or empy that you shouldnt play monk which is absurd.

I realize I'm perpetuating a tangent, but because the underlying point is omni-relevant..

There's no reason that a casual player cannot obtain a Verethragna. Inability to do so is attributable only to irresponsible time management. There's inherent contradiction in asking for a pragmatic analysis of the available WS, while being unwilling to take the appropriate steps to maximize yourself within the confines of your playtime.

Poor provoke really..
If you have no empy for your mnk and you consider it as your main then you sure can play on MNK.. play to get that Empy lol.
If someone play so much casual to have pretty much no income to buy Veret in few months then he wont have time and gils to make good Spiral set and w/o one this WS is shitty.

If someone play so much casual to have pretty much no income to buy Veret in few months then he wont have time and gils to make good Spiral set and w/o one this WS is shitty.

This is my one and only opinion regarding the XI-based content of this thread.


That isn't to say that the OP is misusing their time, it's merely a hypothetical response to a common misconception about what's required to create an Empyrean weapon.

That's funny, because I could have sworn the words you've take issue with were used after I was told I was being rude. Context makes all of the difference.

And again, I'm having my grammar corrected on a forum while being called condescending. As I said, lunacy.

You stated bluntly that they were wasting their time, and now you completely flip-flop while quoting it. That original post of yours smacks of trolling. Can you not discuss the topic and stop trying to get the in the very last word? Is that last post a troll as well?

What weaponskills do you recommend?

So, you have no opinion on the question he asked in the OP then?

I suppose I have an indirect opinion about it. I believe there are a large number of variables to consider when deciding how to divide the limited resources in question. One of those variables, in my opinion, is the availability of weapons that can potentially nullify the benefit of particular WS. If the OP truly doesn't wish to take that route, he's well within his rights to do so. I do feel as if most casual players feel that it's a virtual impossibility, and therefor worth mentioning in cases like this.

That wasn't an attempt to further the double-layered tangent. I was genuinely trying to answer you. I don't have an opinion on what you're specifically asking, and I have no relative expertise to speak of.

Better question. What weaponskills did you merit?

Its upsetting cuz I thought you were going to list the weaponskills you merited/going to merit. Instead you respond in a generic "depends on stuff" response.

That's funny, because I could have sworn the words you've take issue with were used after I was told I was being rude. Context makes all of the difference.

And again, I'm having my grammar corrected on a forum while being called condescending. As I said, lunacy.

Ooh awesome, Stardiver makes the cut.^^ I really don't know why but this ws just makes me happy lol