Tachi: Shoha
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Tachi: Shoha
Because the attack bonus alone won't cap you, with food and debuff you should, but if you're getting all those buffs you'll cap on the second hit too, anyways.
Kinda off-topic, but would Shoha be better than Stardiver in neo nyzul? Assuming no emp\relic\magian gkt*
Gearing up lolmule. There's a group on Sylph that's successful with a sam using Stardiver, but I don't have personal experience with it.
Pretty much, and finish WoTG for TP moonshade :(
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Shoha - Moonshade Earring (tp bonus), Ganesha's Mala if acc. isn't needed, 2nd Pyrosoul, Ogier's Breeches/Avant Cuisses +1 disputed.
-Credit to Austar Edit: ^ I know I gotta finish WoTG man ;;
Im back from 1 year quit never had time to do em lol... Also need it for Hi :s Kin37ix said: » but you lost the *** VW parse, when it mattered most. Random game is random you can miss 5 Shohas in row on a mob having capped acc and you can proc have belt on 5 next ones. The longer the average the better. Kin37ix said: » Ramuh.Austar said: » Consistency is the stupidest thing ever to gear for. Unless you're doing relic kill shot trials. That logic doesnt fly, you see, for the same reason you agree it doesnt fly on kill shot trials. Consistency has a value all it's own. I'm about to fight this bad *** VWNM here, and I want consistent damage right *** now, at will. You, on the other hand, can wear your windbuffet belt and have it do exactly jack & ***for the next 97 out of 100 weaponskills... Now later on, you get that omgwtf windbuffet proc on a *** worm in abyssea. Your spreadsheet says youre slightly ahaid "on average", but you lost the *** VW parse, when it mattered most. Chief, your attitude sucks quite frankly... Secondly, what is this 97/100 crap you're coming up with? Kin37ix said: » Ramuh.Austar said: » Consistency is the stupidest thing ever to gear for. Unless you're doing relic kill shot trials. That logic doesnt fly, you see, for the same reason you agree it doesnt fly on kill shot trials. Consistency has a value all it's own. I'm about to fight this bad *** VWNM here, and I want consistent damage right *** now, at will. You, on the other hand, can wear your windbuffet belt and have it do exactly jack & ***for the next 97 out of 100 weaponskills... Now later on, you get that omgwtf windbuffet proc on a *** worm in abyssea. Your spreadsheet says youre slightly ahaid "on average", but you lost the *** VW parse, when it mattered most.  For the record, I take no opinion on what is right or wrong here. Carry on.
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ITT: I can think for myself that math is wrong, and I want to do less damage as long as it's consistent.
Is that right? Kin37ix said: » Odin.Eikechi said: » Kin37ix said: » Ramuh.Austar said: » Consistency is the stupidest thing ever to gear for. Unless you're doing relic kill shot trials. That logic doesnt fly, you see, for the same reason you agree it doesnt fly on kill shot trials. Consistency has a value all it's own. I'm about to fight this bad *** VWNM here, and I want consistent damage right *** now, at will. You, on the other hand, can wear your windbuffet belt and have it do exactly jack & ***for the next 97 out of 100 weaponskills... Now later on, you get that omgwtf windbuffet proc on a *** worm in abyssea. Your spreadsheet says youre slightly ahaid "on average", but you lost the *** VW parse, when it mattered most. Chief, your attitude sucks quite frankly... Secondly, what is this 97/100 crap you're coming up with? I take offence when people start using words like "stupid" when they have no clue what theyre talking about. Windbuffet has a 3% proc rate. In other words it's utterly useless 97% of the time, hence 97/100. The sheep will keep hitting that [+] button and the misinformation will continue, but there are still a few of us who can think for ourselves. 
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Damn, I guess it's a good thing I wore a Windbuffet Belt and still won the VW Parse.
Why is Kinetix also shitting up SAM threads? There are no gold great swords for you to feign elitism over here.
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Kin37ix said: » I'm about to fight this bad *** VWNM here, and I want consistent damage right *** now, at will. You, on the other hand, can wear your windbuffet belt and have it do exactly jack & ***for the next 97 out of 100 weaponskills... The fact that you think an item with 2TA and 1QA would only proc on 97/100 Weapon Skills when the WS in question is a 2 hitter shows that you have no clue what you are talking about, and probably shouldn't be giving advice on anything. That 3% chance of a multi-hit from windbuffet, which is actually 2.98%, has 2 chances to occur for shoha. Unless my math is off, you have a 5.87% chance that you will gain some benefit from using windbuffet. Kin37ix said: » Doesnt the attack bonus only apply to the first hit? Why does curry/minuet increase it's damage so much then? Am I totally out of the loop about attack bonus Weapon Skills only applying to the first hit? During all my Ascetic's Fury testing I don't think I ever saw damage that would imply the bonus didn't apply to all hits. Kin37ix said: » Odin.Eikechi said: » Kin37ix said: » Ramuh.Austar said: » Consistency is the stupidest thing ever to gear for. Unless you're doing relic kill shot trials. That logic doesnt fly, you see, for the same reason you agree it doesnt fly on kill shot trials. Consistency has a value all it's own. I'm about to fight this bad *** VWNM here, and I want consistent damage right *** now, at will. You, on the other hand, can wear your windbuffet belt and have it do exactly jack & ***for the next 97 out of 100 weaponskills... Now later on, you get that omgwtf windbuffet proc on a *** worm in abyssea. Your spreadsheet says youre slightly ahaid "on average", but you lost the *** VW parse, when it mattered most. Chief, your attitude sucks quite frankly... Secondly, what is this 97/100 crap you're coming up with? I take offence when people start using words like "stupid" when they have no clue what theyre talking about. Windbuffet has a 3% proc rate. In other words it's utterly useless 97% of the time, hence 97/100. The sheep will keep hitting that [+] button and the misinformation will continue, but there are still a few of us who can think for ourselves. you continue to /facepalm the forums. JP Site has Shoha's attack bonus being first hit, and RCB/Minuet increase its damage significantly more than it would were it applied to both hits.
Ragnarok.Evihime said: » Second set is alot like my hasso/seigan down set so maybe worth keeping for situations where buffs are constantly being erased. Not a must have but SAM is my only melee job so I gear and solo for every situation because I haz the space too ^^ Ramuh.Austar said: » Pretty much, and finish WoTG for TP moonshade :( Nice to see this thread still going though... ._. Wait... ignore all of that it's from a kanto viewpoint D: thought it was masa for some reason. Use the first /shutsup
Wait... windbuffet is 1% quad 2% trips no? And Shoha is a 2 hit WS, so doesn't it technically have a 6% chance to proc according to Kin's logic?
Kin37ix said: » Windbuffet has a 3% proc rate. In other words it's utterly useless 97% of the time, hence 97/100. The sheep will keep hitting that [+] button and the misinformation will continue, but there are still a few of us who can think for ourselves. 2.98% proc rate (assuming no other sources of QA), and Shoha is a 2-hit weaponskill, so you'll QA or TA from Windbuffet 5.87% of the time, or 1 out of 17 weaponskills. 2.94% proc rate with Ganesha's mala, 5.7% of the time, still ~1/17 WS (technically about 17.2 but oh no).
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Brutal Earring is terrible. Only works 5/100 of the time.
which is what I was gettin at when he was spoutin this 97/100 crap. 1/17 is NOT 97/100. Yet he says some crap like this...
Kin37ix said: » I take offence when people start using words like "stupid" when they have no clue what theyre talking about. Windbuffet has a 3% proc rate. In other words it's utterly useless 97% of the time, hence 97/100. The sheep will keep hitting that [+] button and the misinformation will continue, but there are still a few of us who can think for ourselves. So....yeah
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I was just posting exact values. It's what I do.
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It's okay guys, he has a relic. Obv. he knows what he's talking about.
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Fenrir.Sylow said: » I was just posting exact values. It's what I do. And I for one am grateful. To you and the other math savvy folks on here like Austar, Byrth and Tigerwoods. So thank you.
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WAR sub only procs 10/100
Kin37ix said: » Windbuffet is ~6% on Shoha, or ~1/17 weaponskills. Please read my post again because seriously, that doesn't equal 97/100 like you claim, but you claim others are dishing out misinformation... this is a SHOHA thread afterall. |
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