Best Weapons (Ranked)

I've already posted my found testing that shows that OA2-3 procs on ws. Where's your evidence otherwise?

"What you think are the best weapons in the game"

=/=

"Actually best weapons in the game"

Fun thread is fun, why so serious?

I can't find any hard evidence relating to Ryunohige besides a bunch of people saying that they have them and what they think that the Jump effect does.

I'll revise my previous statement to: Ryunohige is likely the strongest weapon in the game right now, based on factors such as OA3 for master and rat and the 15% bonus to Drakesbane. Given that the Jump effect is currently unknown and was previously reasoned to be the addition of an autocrit mechanic to jumps (which Soul/Spirit already do with the rat present) I'll abscond that until further information is gathered.

*scratches head*
Stringing pummel numbers are known. And we know it's strong. With a KKK there's a 15% boost.
KKK has improvements to MA, Overload suppression and an aftermath that affects the automaton, all these things are known. And they improve as the trials progress, the amount of improvement shouldn't matter here.
What else?

Again, we can pull out all the devils, cats and ravens we want, but let's not get into pointless arguments just for the sake of arguing.

DUKE IS NOT A RAT

Circumstantial. We know but we can't test.

yeah thats fine, im really argueing things that make sense as it is, one of the reasons why i dont really add martial arts to my arguements was because byrth had corrected me about the reliability of the owner of the kkk and his proof or lack there of concerning martial arts boost. but like as far as the other effects go even without the exact values it makes the weapon extremely good.

that totally looks like a rat |:

Friends are the best weapon in the game.

That's deep.

Here's a legitimate question: why is Apocalypse rated so high?

Sure, it's still one of the better scythe options, but the last time I saw any comparison between it and another weapon, a capped haste Rune Chopper War was outparsing it. Now, a Drk can cap gear haste without Catastrophe aftermath, as well as most DDs in general.

Is the 15% damage increase to Catastrophe that big? Are Apocalypse Drks using Guillotine instead? Are more Drks tanking to take advantage of the weaponskill's drain? What's changed?

It would appear as if I recalled Kirschy's testing incorrectly. I found the post that directly addressed aftermath and WS interaction.

That said, its still incredibly doubtful that AM is capable, at least in terms of H2H, procing more than once during WS. That all said, I still believe that Verethragna and KKK are entirely too close for this job to hypothesis in any convincing way one way or the other.

It also has a lot to do with how much DRK gains by dropping all of that unnecessary haste. The difference is fairly substantial in that regard, in addition to the consistently respectable damage from white damage and Catastrophe. Also, drain.

Keep in mind it's a "utility" weapon, not a DD weapon. Not to say that there's anything wrong with it's damage output. If you want to know more, Nightfyre has spreadsheets dedicated to DRK and it's weapons.

25% ws boost on relics.

Depends on what you are doing. If you're doing voidwatch, then Ukon is by far the #1 weapon damage wise. OAT means ***when every weapon has a 1-2 hit build.

If you're off soloing, then it's not that great, prob apoc would be best.

If you're doing abyssea, then who cares really what weapon you use?

I have a genuine interest in seeing those spreadsheets, Niniann~

Also, brief search for "Apocalypse" in gearsets basically turned up a couple aftermath up gearsets showing very little change between regular TP and aftermath TP sets, which I guess would have more to do with keeping an x-hit build up.

Check my page, Apoc AM 5hit offers a lot over a normal DRK TP option. Apoc also has 20%odd on a 154 damage weapon. Drain allows safe tanking esp in 1-2hit VW mobs when Fanatics is down. Cata damage is also very respectable at 95.

Also, if you're looking at white damage and the relic weaponskill, why is Ragnarok overestimated?

The item set looks great, but what would you change if you didn't have 6 sTP on Armadaberk? Also, would Ganesha's Mala be better for the neck?

Don't have mala or i'd use it :p Easily 0/100 on Hahava.

If I didn't have 6stp Armada I would 6hit with a sword strap.

Yeah, I hear ya. xD I'm heading down that lane too, much hate for Hahava. How about Calmecac Trousers? Or doesn't the 2% DA and 2% TA even compare to what Bale Flanchard +2 offer?

Also genuinely interested in your opinion of Ragnarok~

I'll try to remember to ask him myself when he gets back from work, otherwise you can always send him a tell.

I thought Night had sets on his page but I think he deleted it, or maybe I imagined him having them since he talks about it so much. I know he at least has it in his head, so if you're curious can talk to him etc. Will try to grab his spreadsheet and give it to you though. :<

Awesome, thanks muchly! xD

Apocalypse is not a "best weapon" in terms of damage. It's attractive because your weaponskill gives you a lot of gear versatility that lets you do things like TP in PDT/MDT gear. That said, you'd be hardpressed to get more out of Catastrophe in any way than you do out of Metatron Torment, and no one puts Bravura up there.

Overall:
* Apoc is overrated
* Mythics are underrated
* Ragnarok shouldn't really be rated

Apoc really isn't overrated esp for DRK. DRK is a very strong DD outside of Abyssea, giving the job a weapon that allows a DRK to cap ACC (not easily done on DRK with capped haste), keep haste with PDT/MDT, 5hit and maximize DA/TA/QA. You then get huge amounts of HP back with each WS. Getting hit with a -ga/AoE and instantly being able to heal yourself is nothing to underrate. With a COR in pty I can spam heal myself like a 2nd WHM.

If MT had a drain effect there would be a lot less Apocs in existence, but just offering PDT is not the same as 10 haste and a strong drain effect.

You can cap haste and -DT(MDT PDT and Breath damage without Dring) with MT. I'm not saying Apoc is worse off, I'm just saying they're both nifty. (Assume perfect Dark Rings etc)

No doubt about that. Just saying if you could do that and get 500-1500+ HP back after each WS it adds a new dimension to tanking.


Edi: Really like that set btw

Apocalypse itself is a substantial improvement over anything else DRK gets. Less so from a DPS standpoint these days, but the utility of 10% gear haste and a strong drain effect on WS remains. It doesn't turn you into a truckload of Ukonvasara WAR-quality face-smashing, but it does make you a very sturdy DD/tank.

It's a small improvement over Apocalypse at the best of times, but you lose all utility in the process. Basically, it's a weapon whose sole use is killing high level/def NMs that you never have to play defensively against.

I'm not so sure that's the case. A non-Dring capped PDT set for Ukonvasara won't have more than 11% haste. Bravura can wear something like my set that Ninian posted to cap haste and -DT, still has great accuracy, and also has def/eva down additional effects that may benefit not only the user, but other members of the alliance.

After reading this thread, I have come to the following conclusions about the best weapons in FFXI.

I think you will mostly agree that this is a fair and balanced list based entirely on the most rigorous and carefully designed scientific testing.

Anyway, they are, in order:

1.) Any weapon main-handed by Byrth
2.) Any weapon main-handed by Nightfyre
3.) Ryunohige
4.) Any words wielded by Dodu/Minjo/Tsuko
5.) Any whips, chains, or other dominatrix tools wielded by Ninian
6.) Ukonvasara
7.) Any topicban/demain wielded by Krizz
8.) Me
9.) The ability to defy logic
10.) A bulb of fresh garlic
11.) Your favorite weapon

I would like to thank you all for your selfless contributions to the data collection process.