I already know there is a thread about this, but I wanted to see what people think the best weapons in the game are listed in a 1-5 order (1 being the best). Assume the weapons are the 95 version.
I'll start =)
1. Ryunohige
2. Apocalypse
3. Ragnarok
4. Ukonsavora
5. Amanomurakamo
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The weapon is only as good as the wielder.
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Nothing useful to add here, just wondering what makes Amanomurakumo good at LV95 cap?
And not being cynical either. Just seems interesting to me that it was a bad choice even for SAM back at 75 cap, and now it's good. Fenrir.Enternius said: » Nothing useful to add here, just wondering what makes Amanomurakumo good at LV95 cap? And not being cynical either. Just seems interesting to me that it was a bad choice even for SAM back at 75 cap, and now it's good. aka Situational and its not magically the best.
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how do you determine 'best', thats like asking what the best race is
Last I was informed, Liberator with 2-3 hit OaT beat Apoc no? And I think he means in terms of pure DPS, which, Ryunohige, should be #1, barring any crazy hidden effects on 95 Empys
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liberator does beat apoc by a good bit, but apoc lets you live longer which is the biggest upside to the weapon
-12% PDT Magian Scythe, it has allowed me to kill many monks, paladins, rangers, and jobs otherwise impossible in that situation.
Yagrush, hands down.
Oh wait, did you mean for melee? I can think of a lot of weapons that do more for their jobs than Yagrush tbh.
Wow, I'm suprised to see Ragnarok above Ukon, this is a shocker indeed.
Like what?
Yagrush is a complete job-changer. How many mobs in the game can you think of that don't have area enfeebs? Yagrush changes almost every fight in the game. Other weapons might let you do more damage, but so what? Yagrush makes up to 5 other people do more damage. If Aegis/Ochain were a weapon, I'd say they're at/near the top of the list as well, as they make a lot more impact to most jobs than just doing more damage. They actually allow you to do stuff you couldn't do before.
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Yagrush is far from a job changer. Yagrush aids a bad WHM more than anything else. I would like to see more information on conqueror vs ukon tbh. Also Masamune 90>Amano95.
It's situational. Many of the Mythics pull ahead of their relic counterparts if you can assume constant AM3 usage.
In fact, I'd go out on a limb and say that every melee mythic is superior to the relic and empyrean option if you can assume constant AM3. The viability of maintaining constant AM3 is what kills mythics, because many of them are pretty mediocre weapons if you don't have AM3 active. Yeah, I was under the impression that Masamune won because of the TP bonus on Fudo.
Since we are playing in the land of constant dusty wing spam, wouldn't that favor mythics heavily too?
Fenrir.Leoheart said: » Wow, I'm suprised to see Ragnarok above Ukon, this is a shocker indeed. Asura.Pergatory said: » Like what? Yagrush is a complete job-changer. How many mobs in the game can you think of that don't have area enfeebs? Yagrush changes almost every fight in the game. Other weapons might let you do more damage, but so what? Yagrush makes up to 5 other people do more damage. Quote: If Aegis/Ochain were a weapon, I'd say they're at/near the top of the list as well, as they make a lot more impact to most jobs than just doing more damage. They actually allow you to do stuff you couldn't do before. Fenrir.Nightfyre said: » Fenrir.Leoheart said: » Wow, I'm suprised to see Ragnarok above Ukon, this is a shocker indeed. Hmmm, lol:< I will ask a question though, if you don't mind. What job is better for Ragnarok currently, War or Drk? I want to say war due to all the crit damage bonuses, but I figured I'd ask an expert :) Ragnarok is only good for drk, only on things with really high def, and only when you will not benefit more from the added defensive ability of apoc. (capped haste/dt aftermath set, cata drain, etc.)
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: » What kind of halfassed alliance setup do you have that you don't have a support job with /WHM or /SCH in your party? It's not 5 people, it's maybe 2. The only remotely significant advantage I see is the ability to spam AoE Cursnas. If you don't need the support, the mob isn't particularly dangerous to begin with. You're painting a world in black and white, when in fact there are many shades in between. If I can Paralyna the entire front line in one cast, it makes the alliance setup more flexible. You don't need a bunch of support jobs with /WHM or /SCH helping you remove ailments. Fenrir.Nightfyre said: » Aegis lets you straight tank AV. Ochain makes you a more efficient solo cleaver but I don't think it straight up enables anything, not when the hardest content in the game (T3 Voidwatch) can be DD tanked. If you can actually name something I'm not thinking of I'll be happy to retract that statement. They're both good shields, don't get me wrong, but you can do current content without them just fine. If you really want to prove your point, why don't you name something that any relic/mythic/empyrean DD weapon allows you to do that you couldn't otherwise do? Name one thing, since that seems to be the point you're judging by? All they do is speed up damage. So what? Most of the time these days that's actually a bad thing, it's easy to kill stuff before you even proc weaknesses. What's more important than anything these days is keeping the alliance operating at 100% efficiency, which means no ailments, so that they can use their dusty wings and spam weaponskills using C-skill weapons to proc weakness.
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Fenrir.Leoheart said: » Fenrir.Nightfyre said: » Fenrir.Leoheart said: » Wow, I'm suprised to see Ragnarok above Ukon, this is a shocker indeed. Hmmm, lol:< I will ask a question though, if you don't mind. What job is better for Ragnarok currently, War or Drk? I want to say war due to all the crit damage bonuses, but I figured I'd ask an expert :) Asura.Pergatory said: » What kind of halfassed players need support jobs anymore? You're painting a world in black and white, when in fact there are many shades in between. If I can Paralyna the entire front line in one cast, it makes the alliance setup more flexible. You don't need a bunch of support jobs with /WHM or /SCH helping you remove ailments. Quote: Again with the black & white. You can do anything in the game right now without those shields, yes, but that's irrelevant. You can do those things with LESS resources if you have the shields. Each improvement you make in this game lets you do more with less. If you really want to prove your point, why don't you name something that any relic/mythic/empyrean DD weapon allows you to do that you couldn't otherwise do? Name one thing, since that seems to be the point you're judging by? Quote: They actually allow you to do stuff you couldn't do before. How is it possible that people still think that Yagrush is anything short of a novelty?
Its usefulness was dramatically overstated in ye old FFXI, and it has continued to take a nosedive in practical application at a steady pace since then. Every relic, mythic, and empyrean weapon is a novelty. What's your point?
Asura.Pergatory said: » What kind of halfassed players need support jobs anymore?
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Asura.Pergatory said: » Every relic, mythic, and empyrean weapon is a novelty. What's your point? I dont think you know what a novelty is. You know, trophy weapon? Town gear? Hachiryu Body? Except Yagrush is none of those. It has a clear-cut purpose, and frees a WHMs hands from having to cast single -nas on every melee they take care of. In fact, 3 casts of the same spell covers the whole alliance, if the positioning is right.
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