Asura.Haxetc said: »
The way you guys put it. You might as well just bring an actually DD instead of a PLD >.>;
PLD Relic/mythic/emp Discussion
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PLD relic/mythic/emp discussion
Inorite, god forbid PLDs only turtle for 2 seconds or so as needed and do something useful the rest of the time.
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Asura.Haxetc said: » I fail to see how you guys think that just because Atonement isn't CDC or that you don't get a 400dmg add effect that your gonna fail a VW. If that is the case. Maybe you should focus on gearing your DD's instead of making a sword for your PLD. Asura.Haxetc said: » But you're still gonna need to put out somewhat decent dmg in order to effectively hold hate off of a good DD. I guess SE needs to give us all some more hate tools then :/
If you're tanking without Aegis/Ochain then your DD's suck or you're purposefully gimping their damage. For sure you can hold it long enough to proc but constantly needing songs/buffs/support just to survive gives you a lot less breathing room and a much smaller window for things to go right. There's almost no way to hold hate against a lot of VW mobs without mitigating the majority of your damage through blocks/mdt. There aren't many you can shadow tank.
In terms of damage I can almost always keep aftermath up with Almace and aside from special resistances/PDT 1100 is about what I average in a range of 800-1400 including T4 and T3. Abilities and spells have the inherent limitation of recasts, adding more wouldn't solve the problem unless you could literally constantly recap VE and since meleeing more or less does that and contributes to killspeed there's no reason to pursue an alternative unless it's better in both categories or they add something you absolutely cannot melee effectively. If that's the case you'd be primarily holding hate off mages, much easier to do since damage occurs in bursts.
Always bout the killspeed Nightfyre D:
You must really have somewhere to go ! If you need a few good DD's I'm sure that you can shout for them on your server. Relying on the PLD to make your kills faster isn't always a good thing to do :/ You should just go without a PLD bruh.
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I bet. Sometime somewhere vs some mob. Nightfyre timed out of a VWNM and was like "OMG if the PLD would have just parsed a little bit higher we would have killed that. GOD GO GET AN ALMACE BRUH!"
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you've got to be the most dense person i've met today. go jump ship
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Asura.Haxetc said: » Carbuncle.Aeonknight said: » Absolutely need? No. But it definately puts you a few steps above your average DD in terms of survival. But you're still gonna need to put out somewhat decent dmg in order to effectively hold hate off of a good DD. Asura.Haxetc said: » Always bout the killspeed Nightfyre D: You must really have somewhere to go ! We like doing more than one mob per Voidwatch run, and people go to sleep? Is that really a hard concept? Quote: If you need a few good DD's I'm sure that you can shout for them on your server. Relying on the PLD to make your kills faster isn't always a good thing to do :/ You should just go without a PLD bruh. Our DDs are fine, you're just a moron who doesn't get basic concepts. Asura.Haxetc said: » I bet. Sometime somewhere vs some mob. Nightfyre timed out of a VWNM and was like "OMG if the PLD would have just parsed a little bit higher we would have killed that. GOD GO GET AN ALMACE BRUH!" Oh yeah let me tell you my group times out all the *** time. *rolls eyes*
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Asura.Haxetc said: » Always bout the killspeed Nightfyre D: You must really have somewhere to go ! Quote: If you need a few good DD's I'm sure that you can shout for them on your server. Relying on the PLD to make your kills faster isn't always a good thing to do :/ 1) Why the hell would I rely on shout DDs for anything? 2) What about my statements makes you think the DDs aren't doing damage? In the Voidwatch shell I run with, every single one of them gets up front and personal with the NM whenever possible, nevermind the BLMs, SCH, and occasional RNG. Having the guys who are fulltime engaged optimize their output is hardly a small benefit though, those 1k+ CDCs add up over time. Quote: You should just go without a PLD bruh. Last I checked Damage = Enmity.
Not a very hard concept unless you are completely HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. I'm leaning towards troll considering he has Aegis/Almace.
That or he's one of the thousands of Aegis PLD's who can't outtank a Keonig shield AH PLD with 75cap gear. Obviously w
Cuz 30mins is sooooo long rofl I'm not the one worried about timing out or making haste to kill a mob because someone might have to go. I know that I shouldn't have to rely on the PLD to be a major part of the parse. As long as he holds hate he could do 0 dmg for all I care. I may be a moron but I'm not relying on a PLD to do everything for me lulz. Cuz VW is so hard bruhh
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Asura.Haxetc said: » I may be a moron
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Lakshmi.Rearden said: » I'm leaning towards troll considering he has Aegis/Almace. That or he's one of the thousands of Aegis PLD's who can't outtank a Keonig shield AH PLD with 75cap gear. Lakshmi.Rearden said: » I'm leaning towards troll considering he has Aegis/Almace. That or he's one of the thousands of Aegis PLD's who can't outtank a Keonig shield AH PLD with 75cap gear. Asura.Haxetc said: » Obviously w Cuz 30mins is sooooo long rofl If you kill in 20minx3, the 10min you save during each fight is another mob. Logic is hard. Quote: I'm not the one worried about timing out or making haste to kill a mob because someone might have to go. Because killing more mobs per run is so terrible, oh god. Quote: I know that I shouldn't have to rely on the PLD to be a major part of the parse. As long as he holds hate he could do 0 dmg for all I care. *rolls eyes* You're so dumb. Quote: I may be a moron but I'm not relying on a PLD to do everything for me lulz. Cuz VW is so hard bruhh Yeah, Voidwatch so hard bruhhh that we need to turtle it and the PLD can't afford to DD at all ever. Asura.Haxetc said: » I may be a moron We all know this. Reading comprehension helps, not once did he say he relied on PLD for his source of damage. What do you do exactly on PLD? I see you have an almace, do you just sit on your TP and swing like a moron not realizing you have access to a weaponskill? I would certainly hope not, like you said yourself a PLDs job is to hold Hate. Guess what doing damage does? It creates enmity and thus makes it so you are holding hate. Maybe you should take a look at Kannican live journal because obviously your having trouble understanding game mechanics. Fenrir.Niniann said: » Asura.Haxetc said: » Obviously w Cuz 30mins is sooooo long rofl If you kill in 20minx3, the 10min you save during each fight is another mob. Logic is hard. Quote: I'm not the one worried about timing out or making haste to kill a mob because someone might have to go. Because killing more mobs per run is so terrible, oh god. Quote: I know that I shouldn't have to rely on the PLD to be a major part of the parse. As long as he holds hate he could do 0 dmg for all I care. *rolls eyes* You're so dumb. Quote: I may be a moron but I'm not relying on a PLD to do everything for me lulz. Cuz VW is so hard bruhh Yeah, Voidwatch so hard bruhhh that we need to turtle it and the PLD can't afford to DD at all ever. Asura.Haxetc said: » btw >.> I'd quit if I let an Koenig shield PLD outtank me. Real talk w I'll go shout for a PLD so you can quit XI. Defensive LS is defensive!
Look at all the Fenririans coming from out of the woodworks ! It's amazin :O
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Careful guys.. he pulled out the "w" weapon
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Asura.Haxetc said: » Obviously w Cuz 30mins is sooooo long rofl I'm not the one worried about timing out or making haste to kill a mob because someone might have to go. I know that I shouldn't have to rely on the PLD to be a major part of the parse. As long as he holds hate he could do 0 dmg for all I care. I may be a moron but I'm not relying on a PLD to do everything for me lulz. Cuz VW is so hard bruhh Asura.Haxetc said: » Obviously w Cuz 30mins is sooooo long rofl Asura.Haxetc said: » Obviously w Asura.Haxetc said: » w
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Asura.Haxetc said: » Defensive LS is defensive! Look at all the Fenririans coming from out of the woodworks ! It's amazin :O Pretty sure I was the first to implicitly call you a moron, and I'm not from Fenrir.
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Odin.Sheelay said: » Careful guys.. he pulled out the "w" weapon
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Time to summarize the discussion with the unbeatable, insanely amazing ultima weapon:
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Fenrir.Gradd said: » Last I checked Damage = Enmity. Not a very hard concept unless you are completely HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. This. If you're not gearing for damage mitgation when you need it, and focusing on your DD/Enmity output at any other time, you're doing it wrong. Asura.Haxetc said: » Obviously w Obviously using w over and over makes him cooler than the majority of Japanese players so we have to listen to him. In other news, you're a moron. No "may" about it.
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