So I've been wondering for a while . . . why do BLUs Dual Wield?
Please . . . don't even say it's to get more TP to WS for Chain affinity . . . cause with 1 Sword I get 200~% TP before Chain Affinity is ready (Outside Abyssea).
So Dual Wielding Swords with good Start like Magic.Acc or something makes sense, but if your just using a Sword . . . with Regular DMG and 5mp . . . You should be shot on site, or is there something to this whole dual wield thing ?
Also what do you prefer /NIN or /RDM -
Not having to waste space on BLU Versions of Refresh, Phalanx, and Stoneskin . . .Among other things just seems like the obvious choice . . . and with Occulation . . . one should be ashamed of them selves using /nin. Yea Occulation is not 100% Shadow absorber, but Its 8 Shadows O_O and even if you get hit . . . Phalanx/Cocoon/Ice Spikes Eats it!
Anyway, please comment ^^!
BLU - Dual Wield . . . What?
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BLU - Dual Wield . . . What?
Izey said: » So I've been wondering for a while . . . why do BLUs Dual Wield? Please . . . don't even say it's to get more TP to WS for Chain affinity . . . cause with 1 Sword I get 200~% TP before Chain Affinity is ready (Outside Abyssea). So Dual Wielding Swords with good Start like Magic.Acc or something makes sense, but if your just using a Sword . . . with Regular DMG and 5mp . . . You should be shot on site, or is there something to this whole dual wield thing ? Also what do you prefer /NIN or /RDM - Not having to waste space on BLU Versions of Refresh, Phalanx, and Stoneskin . . .Among other things just seems like the obvious choice . . . and with Occulation . . . one should be ashamed of them selves using /nin. Yea Occulation is not 100% Shadow absorber, but Its 8 Shadows O_O and even if you get hit . . . Phalanx/Cocoon/Ice Spikes Eats it! (And Stoneskin) Anyway, please comment ^^!
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2x Shamshir +3 with Dual Wield III and Suppa has 43% higher DPS than 1x Shamshir +3? Mystery solved!
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For DD purposes, DW3, it's pretty much nearly as good as \war with berserk\warcry.
The safety from utsusemi is also nice when you end up tanking most stuff you DD. Cant rely 100% on occultation, it's just a backup. Also, you wont have nearly enough mp to spam it unless you use a refresh atma Izey said: » Cerberus.Kvazz said: » For DD purposes, DW3, it's pretty much nearly as good as \war with berserk\warcry. The safety from utsusemi is also nice when you end up tanking most stuff you DD. Cant rely 100% on occultation, it's just a backup. Also, you wont have nearly enough mp to spam it unless you use a refresh atma I easily Tanked Ironclad Smiter for my SCH seals as BLU/RDM every single time >_>; I really don't think utsusemi is all that serious. Also about Dual Wielding Shamsir, thats nice and all. . . but im talkin about morons who Dualwield Firmament and some other LolSword, it's really like . .. "WhaT?." How would utsusemi help you vs an ironclad anyways lol
With a WHM you'd be able to tank that no matter what subjob you use Cerberus.Kvazz said: » How would utsusemi help you vs an ironclad anyways lol With a WHM you'd be able to tank that no matter what subjob you use See what I mean ^^? Why did you quote your own post? Just curious...
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Izey said: » Cerberus.Kvazz said: » How would utsusemi help you vs an ironclad anyways lol With a WHM you'd be able to tank that no matter what subjob you use See what I mean ^^? And as I said, for DD purposes, it's pretty much as good as \war. That's why people sub it Dual wield 3. Utsusemi is just a bonus, which also is more reliable than occultation. Cerberus.Kvazz said: » Izey said: » Cerberus.Kvazz said: » How would utsusemi help you vs an ironclad anyways lol With a WHM you'd be able to tank that no matter what subjob you use See what I mean ^^? And as I said, for DD purposes, it's pretty much as good as \war. That's why people sub it Dual wield 3. Utsusemi is just a bonus, which also is more reliable than occultation. Well personally, I see BLUs spamming too much spells to make Dual Wield Really worthwhile imo~ But thats just me Shouldn't be using Magic Accuracy Shamshirs anyway. Since magic accuracy does not affect the accuracy of our physical spells, the only real use one would get out of Macc Shamshirs get would be to improve the Stun rate on Head Butt/Sudden Lunge and other physical spells with additional status effects. Likewise, the proper HQ elemental staff or the MAB Shamshirs will do you better when casting nukes, so Macc ones wouldn't be good for any time you're focusing on magical based damage.
For physical - Str and/or Dex Shamshirs For magic - MAB or HQ elemental staff Never get the Macc Shamshir.
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Utsusemi: 1 AOE gone
Occulation: gone, but still have SS/IceSpikes/Cocoon/Phalanx to absorb the rest, does no one see where I'm going ? If not its fine ill quit trying to make the point that BLUs use too much spells for Dual Wield to Matter. Now BLU/NIN with Chant du Cygne I've seen put in work not using their spells, except for SC yea . . . But thats like the only exception of out DDing Lakshmi.Vlorsutes said: » Shouldn't be using Magic Accuracy Shamshirs anyway. Since magic accuracy does not affect the accuracy of our physical spells, the only real use one would get out of Macc Shamshirs get would be to improve the Stun rate on Head Butt/Sudden Lunge and other physical spells with additional status effects. Likewise, the proper HQ elemental staff or the MAB Shamshirs will do you better when casting nukes, so Macc ones wouldn't be good for any time you're focusing on magical based damage. For physical - Str and/or Dex Shamshirs For magic - MAB or HQ elemental staff Never get the Macc Shamshir. Now that's a point. You've presented a question without presenting the alternative, so it's hard to explain to you why people do X over Y.
For instance, "Why do you guys Dual Wield, when you could use the same set points to do ___________ instead of increasing your melee DPS substantially?"
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Izey said: » Lakshmi.Vlorsutes said: » Shouldn't be using Magic Accuracy Shamshirs anyway. Since magic accuracy does not affect the accuracy of our physical spells, the only real use one would get out of Macc Shamshirs get would be to improve the Stun rate on Head Butt/Sudden Lunge and other physical spells with additional status effects. Likewise, the proper HQ elemental staff or the MAB Shamshirs will do you better when casting nukes, so Macc ones wouldn't be good for any time you're focusing on magical based damage. For physical - Str and/or Dex Shamshirs For magic - MAB or HQ elemental staff Never get the Macc Shamshir. Now that's a point. See that's a good point there, to Dual Wield. But not a Good point for /nin. And my issue is why are they dual-wielding crap like Firmament . . . and Runic Anelance . . . Lakshmi.Byrth said: » You've presented a question without presenting the alternative, so it's hard to explain to you why people do X over Y. For instance, "Why do you guys Dual Wield, when you could use the same set points to do ___________ instead of increasing your melee DPS substantially?" Unless you have 2x Shamsir STR, I find a frickin Genbu Shield even to have more use. Assuming your always the guy tanking like me on BLU. Well the alternative for adding Dual Wield is what? sub DNC? DNC sub has its uses, but keep in mind you're still gaining 6 shadows for normal mobs, not every mob has AoE standard attacks.
NIN is just a more survivable sub in most situations. Explain to me how Genbu's is better than a PDT Sword?
Ofc, if you'r in a situation where you just spam the crap outa spells, like zergs etc, and survival isnt a big issue, \rdm is a good choice.
It's a very situational job, with sitational uses. Saying \rdm is allways better than \nin is really stupid. I'd say \nin is better than \rdm MOST of the time. But yeah, I do have Almace. Lakshmi.Byrth said: » Explain to me how Genbu's is better than a PDT Sword? Its not . . . IF you go ALLLL THE WAY TO THE TOP, I said. . . . WHY DO THEY DUAL WIELD CRAP SWORDS WITH NO STATS, THAT MAKE NO SENSE. NOT TRIAL SWORDS WITH GOOD STATS, DUH! Why do people play the game poorly? Because they don't have the time to invest or they aren't very good at it.
Why do you use Genbu's Shield over a PDT sword? Because you're one of them.
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Yeah I was just about to ask that. You'd keep your melee DPS high using two PDT- Shamshir and have more PDT than one+Genbu's. Also you'd be subbing either DNC, which adds TP based healing and stuns, or NIN, which adds much more reliable shadows.
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Cerberus.Kvazz said: » Ofc, if you'r in a situation where you just spam the crap outa spells, like zergs etc, and survival isnt a big issue, \rdm is a good choice. It's a very situational job, with sitational uses. Saying \rdm is allways better than \nin is really stupid. I'd say \nin is better than \rdm MOST of the time. But yeah, I do have Almace. Point :D There are tons of people just starting out on jobs as well. Those just leveling BLU might not have two good swords just lying around. And NIN is a pretty standard party sub for those who actually level their job. (Those who burned are probably just using bad swords as a stop-gap till they have better).
Lakshmi.Byrth said: » Why do people play the game poorly? Because they don't have the time to invest or they aren't very good at it. Why do you use Genbu's Shield over a PDT sword? Because you're one of them. FYI, I am working on my Trials :), I dont magically have everything completed once the job is leveled. The point here is, Why Dual Wield crap when it doesnt do anything. Thats all. . . But since thats too hard to understand ill just move on. THnxkBai Any job will have their damage crapped out when going into defensive mode. BLU/NIN crapped damage > BLU/RDM crapped damage.
Now you're arguing how utsusemi is useless on a fight where it is actually useless. Try tanking Manananggal with BLU/RDM when it has its dagger out Everyone needs to stop posting. This is another case of "I am going to ask a question acting like I want a response, but really I already made up my mind and will not accept anything someone else says". Give it up, he has his mind made up. Just goes into the HUGE pile of BLU's I laugh at as I walk by.
tl:dr Move along, nothing to see here.
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