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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-08-11 21:51:35
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Why do people care about how fast cures can get off? You should be focusing on potency first anyway.
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By Fenrir.Niniann 2011-08-11 21:52:07
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Carbuncle.Tweeek said:
but ITT people are only making assumptions that are favorable to RDM when the truth is no one knows exactly what the future will hold. NO ONE knew atmas would come into play pre-abyssea right?)

They're RDMs, of course they're trying to think of things to make them useful again. :(
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2011-08-11 21:54:53
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Cerberus.Eugene said:
Why do people care about how fast cures can get off? You should be focusing on potency first anyway.
1. Fast Cast gear during casting
2. swap into cure potency gear
3. ???
4. PROFIT!
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-08-11 21:55:18
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Decided to make two sets to compare whm vs rdm for cure fast casts since its been a topic in the discussion.

BGWiki reports the new fast cast cap reaches 80%, but I'll be listing every available piece going over the cap.


Scholar Sub: 10%
Red Mage Sub: 15%
Cure Cast Time Merits: 20%
Item NameCast Time
Winged Wand2%
Incantor Stone2%
Selenian Cap2%
Aceso's Choker10%
Loquacious Earring2%
Anhur Robe10%
Nebula Cuffs +10.5% - 1%
Veela Cape1%
Capricornian Rope1%
Orison Pantaloons +212%
Cure Clogs15%
Gear Total:57.5% - 58%
Grand Total:87.5% - 93%



Fast Cast: 30%
Scholar Sub: 10%
Item NameCast Time
Vivid Strap +11%
Warlock's Chapeau +110%
Jeweled Collar3%
Estoqueur's Earring2%
Loquacious Earring2%
Duelist's Tabard +110%
Nebula Cuffs +10.5% - 1%
Capricornian Rope1%
Nebula Slops +12%
Augur's Gaiters3%
Gear Total:34.5% - 35%
Grand Total:74.5% - 75%


Realistic gear changes or not, just wanted to provide a comparison.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-08-11 21:55:40
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Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
Cerberus.Eugene said:
Why do people care about how fast cures can get off? You should be focusing on potency first anyway.
1. Fast Cast on cast
2. swap into cure potency gear
3. ???
4. PROFIT!

Sure, but you should be focusing on cure potency first anyway. Go argue about that. You're comparing a 2.5 second cast to a 90-75% difference in speed. If you're spamming riding cure iv like that somethings wrong.
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2011-08-11 21:57:31
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Cerberus.Eugene said:
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
Cerberus.Eugene said:
Why do people care about how fast cures can get off? You should be focusing on potency first anyway.
1. Fast Cast on cast
2. swap into cure potency gear
3. ???
4. PROFIT!

Sure, but you should be focusing on cure potency first anyway. Go argue about that
usually you end up getting fast cast gear first? I don't know what you're arguing.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-08-11 21:58:31
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Who cares who can cast cure4 faster?
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-08-11 21:59:55
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Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
I think this whole Cure 5 debate got put to rest the moment this was posted
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
Camate said:
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Make it possible to use Cure V.
In regards to support capability, we’re thinking more in the direction of adjustments that will differ from white mage.

Instead of just simply adding a high-tier Cure, we’re looking into making it so scholars can raise their performance further by enhancing the effects of stratagem use and regen-type magic. However, this doesn’t mean that we won’t be adding a high-tier Cure later down the line.

This would also mean RDM and SCH will not be getting Cure 5

Deal with It
This is about sch isn't it? They may have different plans for rdm since rdm =/ sch. Plus, they specifically said they may add it in the future anyway.

I'd like cure 5 but I'd accept other things.
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2011-08-11 22:00:27
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Cerberus.Eugene said:
Who cares who can cast cure4 faster?
I figured WHM had the faster cures anyway.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-08-11 22:01:06
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Sure, but that's not what makes whm more attractive than rdm at this point in the game.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-08-11 22:01:16
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Cerberus.Eugene said:
Who cares who can cast cure4 faster?
The tank/dd that lives because of that fraction of a second quicker cure in an emergency? It's the total amount that makes it worth it, if we didn't care no one would use fastcast at all.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-08-11 22:02:33
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said:
Cerberus.Eugene said:
Who cares who can cast cure4 faster?
The tank/dd that lives because of that fraction of a second quicker cure in an emergency? It's the total amount that makes it worth it, if we didn't care no one would use fastcast at all.
Also cures over time if you never stop casting
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2011-08-11 22:02:39
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said:
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
I think this whole Cure 5 debate got put to rest the moment this was posted
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
Camate said:
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Make it possible to use Cure V.
In regards to support capability, we’re thinking more in the direction of adjustments that will differ from white mage.

Instead of just simply adding a high-tier Cure, we’re looking into making it so scholars can raise their performance further by enhancing the effects of stratagem use and regen-type magic. However, this doesn’t mean that we won’t be adding a high-tier Cure later down the line.

This would also mean RDM and SCH will not be getting Cure 5

Deal with It
This is about sch isn't it? They may have different plans for rdm since rdm =/ sch. Plus, they specifically said they may add it in the future anyway.

I'd like cure 5 but I'd accept other things.
RDM and SCH are about even in curing skill, so I wouldn't put my money on it.

Wait, where are they saying they may add it in the future...? I'm suddenly fearful for my RDM now...source/pics or it didn't happen.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-08-11 22:02:53
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said:
Cerberus.Eugene said:
Who cares who can cast cure4 faster?
The tank/dd that lives because of that fraction of a second quicker cure in an emergency? It's the total amount that makes it worth it, if we didn't care no one would use fastcast at all.

You're talking about a third of a second, assuming both have optimal gear. Your whm wouldn't be riding cure 4 at that point anyway.

EDIT if cap is 80% you're talking about 1/8 of a second

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Also cures over time if you never stop casting
Assuming unlimited mp and no interruptions whm should beat out rdm even if they had higher casting time, for a number of reasons. At least since last time I played.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-08-11 22:05:37
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Small amounts of time can matter in critical situations. Is it game changing? No but it's a factor.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-08-11 22:06:08
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Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
Ragnarok.Sekundes said:
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
I think this whole Cure 5 debate got put to rest the moment this was posted
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
Camate said:
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Make it possible to use Cure V.
In regards to support capability, we’re thinking more in the direction of adjustments that will differ from white mage.

Instead of just simply adding a high-tier Cure, we’re looking into making it so scholars can raise their performance further by enhancing the effects of stratagem use and regen-type magic. However, this doesn’t mean that we won’t be adding a high-tier Cure later down the line.

This would also mean RDM and SCH will not be getting Cure 5

Deal with It
This is about sch isn't it? They may have different plans for rdm since rdm =/ sch. Plus, they specifically said they may add it in the future anyway.

I'd like cure 5 but I'd accept other things.
RDM and SCH are about even in curing skill, so I wouldn't put my money on it.

Wait, where are they saying they may add it in the future...? I'm suddenly fearful for my RDM now...source/pics or it didn't happen.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-08-11 22:09:07
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Cerberus.Eugene said:
Siren.Kalilla said:
Also cures over time if you never stop casting
Assuming unlimited mp and no interruptions whm should beat out rdm even if they had higher casting time, for a number of reasons.
A rdm would never beat a whm, but if rdm was able to use cure V it would be a realistic option for curing, and it can still do RDM duties.

It wouldn't be the best, but it would make it an option to be rdm instead in many situations, not all, because of its flexibility.

I personally don't think RDM will get Cure V, but its not impossible.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-08-11 22:10:03
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Sure, I'll agree with that.
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2011-08-11 22:17:34
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said:
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
Ragnarok.Sekundes said:
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
I think this whole Cure 5 debate got put to rest the moment this was posted
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
Camate said:
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Make it possible to use Cure V.
In regards to support capability, we’re thinking more in the direction of adjustments that will differ from white mage.

Instead of just simply adding a high-tier Cure, we’re looking into making it so scholars can raise their performance further by enhancing the effects of stratagem use and regen-type magic. However, this doesn’t mean that we won’t be adding a high-tier Cure later down the line.

This would also mean RDM and SCH will not be getting Cure 5

Deal with It
This is about sch isn't it? They may have different plans for rdm since rdm =/ sch. Plus, they specifically said they may add it in the future anyway.

I'd like cure 5 but I'd accept other things.
RDM and SCH are about even in curing skill, so I wouldn't put my money on it.

Wait, where are they saying they may add it in the future...? I'm suddenly fearful for my RDM now...source/pics or it didn't happen.
Well you just said it yourself, this is about SCH, isn't it?

Honestly, the day I see RDM get cure 5 is the day I hang up my Chapeau and AF3+2 Body and scream at my monitor with 3-4 years worth of rage battling the Curebot stigma from ToAU.
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By Phoenix.Fondue 2011-08-11 22:20:05
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Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:

Well you just said it yourself, this is about SCH, isn't it?

Honestly, the day I see RDM get cure 5 is the day I hang up my Chapeau and AF3+2 Body.

what
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2011-08-11 22:22:28
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Phoenix.Fondue said:
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:

Well you just said it yourself, this is about SCH, isn't it?

Honestly, the day I see RDM get cure 5 is the day I hang up my Chapeau and AF3+2 Body.

what
I didn't level RDM to be told I'm really a Pink Mage.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-08-11 22:23:19
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What is pink mage anyways? Does it just mean a rdm that is more like a whm? >.>
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2011-08-11 22:23:54
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Yeah, when RDM/WHM was the defacto job combo in ToAU.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-08-11 22:25:47
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Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
Yeah, when RDM/WHM was the defacto job combo in ToAU.
Never heard of it until recently lol, guess it makes sense
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By Asura.Dajociont 2011-08-11 22:25:53
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Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
Phoenix.Fondue said:
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:

Well you just said it yourself, this is about SCH, isn't it?

Honestly, the day I see RDM get cure 5 is the day I hang up my Chapeau and AF3+2 Body.

what
I didn't level RDM to be told I'm really a Pink Mage.

what
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-08-11 22:27:33
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Are you the type of RDM that flat out refuses to use a cure spell? Or if the situation calls for a quick cast you will. I've met some that flat out refuse to cure lol >.>
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By Phoenix.Fondue 2011-08-11 22:30:38
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is there a problem with one sub being better than others?

rdm/blm was fine for sleepgas in dyna but really offered nothing else -ele seal for 2 hnms
rdm/drk good for about 3 fights and weinerjar
rdm/war good for voke botting since you only needed it lv5


pretty sure theres defacto jobcombos for every other job too, thats how stuff works in a video game
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-11 22:37:29
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If SCH doesn't get cure5 light arts will literally be for "pretty white books" only, it already is now.
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2011-08-11 22:48:59
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Siren.Kalilla said:
Are you the type of RDM that flat out refuses to use a cure spell? Or if the situation calls for a quick cast you will. I've met some that flat out refuse to cure lol >.>
I don't mind back-up curing, but pigeonholing a job to just a curebot just makes the job boring and flat.

Phoenix.Fondue said:
is there a problem with one sub being better than others?

rdm/blm was fine for sleepgas in dyna but really offered nothing else -ele seal for 2 hnms
rdm/drk good for about 3 fights and weinerjar
rdm/war good for voke botting since you only needed it lv5


pretty sure theres defacto jobcombos for every other job too, thats how stuff works in a video game
except when do some of those work nowadays? RDM/BLM may be still relevant, but I really like RDM/SCH for most things
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-08-11 22:50:21
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Phoenix.Fondue said:
is there a problem with one sub being better than others?

Can you imagine this game if they tried to balance the subjobs?!

... not that they balance the main jobs but still.
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