Sylph.Kiaru said:
Ramuh.Rowland said:
Someone give me a recap of what's happening right now.
dat fixed
RDM Job Manifesto
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RDM Job Manifesto
I tried to say RDM/SCH was the best sub, then made myself look stupid, which wasn't hard. Then, I tried to say /WHM or any other sub other than /SCH was useless in Abyssea, or anywhere, really. Because it feels like I have no subjob at all :(! Then, after making myself look stupid again, I tried to claim if you don't have WHM leveled, or an alt WHM character, YOU NEED TO GTFO :D! Then, I claimed you shouldn't play with people without WHM or a WHM alt, then argued RDM'S usefulness, even though I was defending it a few pages before. I might of missed why people got upset over my derpness, but I'm totally in the right. Oh, after that, I argued some more about how smart I'm not, then some more.. and more.. and more. Making myself look more stupid by every post. Oh, and, I'm always right. Did I mention that yet? I don't think so, because that's totally a *** of a thing to do. I wouldn't do that. But anyway, I'm not in the kitchen either! So, there's your recap<3! Oh and, I say I'm leaving arguments then keep going, too, cause that's smart as ***. But yeah, always right etc. dat fixed
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I really can't believe half the *** I'm reading here. Oh the lulz.
Shiva.Flionheart said: I can feel blood clotting in my head I have nothing to contribute other than the fact that I accidentally clicked on this thread and am stealing this phrase from now on.
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Ramuh.Rowland said: I kinda skimmed the past couple pages. Pretty much all I read is ***is situational, and people have different play styles to win at things. My personal feelings dictate RDM is a suitable healer outside of abyssea, DDs fend for themselves, you keep the tank alive. WHM is needed for inside abyssea strictly because everyone has so much HP you need Cure V and VI to even do anything. I'm of the opinion, though unnecassary I don't think RDM or SCH should have the same tier cure as anyone can get with /whm or /rdm soon. As I said though, not necassary just an opinion. Sch is by far the best sub for RDM unless you need stona, viruna or stun o_o
i need aspir for my mp to stay up :(
-10% mp, -10% casting time, B+ ele skill and dark magic skill, alacrity, accession, penury, parsimony(tons of mp saved here) phalanxga, stoneskinga, all -na's, regen2ga, aspir, drain, sleepga, breakga, gravityga, sleepga2
Vs -stona, viruna, curaga1/2, divine seal Vs stun, elemental seal :/ Sylph.Kiaru said: Sch is by far the best sub for RDM unless you need stona, viruna or stun o_o I believe that we've discussed on the other forum that SCH, WHM, BLM are all good subs and they all have their situations as to where they are useful. In my personal opinion /SCH shines in crowd control and in situations where you're going to sit in one book or the other for a length of time and are not required to switch them. So basically if you're playing psuedo WHM or psuedo BLM, but not RDM. Or if you're assisting in AoE burns~
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Sylph.Kiaru said: -10% mp Mostly useless for RDM in any situation. Quote: -10% casting time A perk. Quote: B+ Only useful for Elemental Magic, Healing Magic, Dark Magic and Divine magic. The only really relevant one there is elemental (arguably Dark), and RDM doesn't exactly have issues landing nukes. Quote: alacrity When do you need this? Quote: phalanxga Useful for AoE burns, and that's about it. Nice for Salvage, but Phalanx II is better for that since you won't have JAs/Subjobs for a while depending on zone. Quote: stoneskinga Only useful if you're too stupid to bring a migawari tank, scherzo or earthen armor to a discoid chariot or other form of 10k needles. Quote: all -na's SCH doesn't get all. Quote: regen2ga You're really using this as an argument? Quote: Vs -na's Vs stun :/ WHM has more -nas. It has Divine seal, and barspells. BLM has Sleepga, Conserve MP trait, Stun, Drain(forgot lulz) and Aspir. An additional bonus to these two subs is that you don't get arts penalties. It really depends on what you're doing. SCH is however not the default sub for RDM. Phoenix.Fondue said: Asura.Dajociont said: i need aspir for my mp to stay up :( aspir is nice for soloing krabkatoa lol i won't even lie, /sch rocks for krabkatoa, other than that i don't like it much :( For the love of Jaerik, just nuke this sodding thread.
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@ninian, i was naming the differences between subs. That's all you get for subbing WHM or BLM over SCH.
You also always use alacrity nukes over parsimony nukes inside abyssea, and good when manifestationing sleep1/2 with lots of mobs on you x_x It's the default sub because it gives you EVERYTHING the other subs give, and much much more besides THREE very situational spells. Ramuh.Rowland said: /SCH was great when I was main healing a bird party at 75 cap. But it just doesn't fit my play style for other events. I could just as easily crowd control as /blm. I don't see where you would need to use breakga or graviga all that much. /blm also gets drain, aspir, and sleepga too. It just depends what my group of friends needs. Nini already broke everything down though. If needing to crowd control with layered sleeps, breakga and graviga, SCH will be the undisputed king. However, if that becomes the case SCH main would be more useful than /SCH because of it's stratagem advantage. Fenrir.Niniann said: Only useful if you're too stupid to bring a migawari tank, scherzo or earthen armor to a discoid chariot or other form of 10k needles. i am! war chariot tank goooooooooo I've always loved Rdm, even if it isn't really used anymore. However, i've always hated the job being transformed into a gimp Whm. I'd rather Rdm didn't get cure V, because outside abyssea, that's exactly all it'd be again. I have Blm and Nin leveled, so i don't really even solo on Rdm anymore since not much either of those jobs can't do that rdm can at this point in the game. Future content, I'd really like to see Rdm become the debuff king it always should have been, with support buff/heals as an assist to the Whm.
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Sylph.Kiaru said: Yeah, when people reply to me like that with 0 arguments and nothing but insults, sexism, and rude remarks I'm pretty sure they're not worth arguing with. ---------> Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Fenrir.Niniann said: Only useful if you're too stupid to bring a migawari tank, scherzo or earthen armor to a discoid chariot or other form of 10k needles. i am! war chariot tank goooooooooo That was a terrifying fight Ramuh.Rowland said: /SCH was great when I was main healing a bird party at 75 cap. But it just doesn't fit my play style for other events. I could just as easily crowd control as /blm. I don't see where you would need to use breakga or graviga all that much. /blm also gets drain, aspir, and sleepga too. It just depends what my group of friends needs. Nini already broke everything down though. i bring a red mage to every fight because whm hats are goddamned lame and entirely *** featherless they're not even red, they only have gay little red stripes you can't explain that
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Sylph.Kiaru said: @ninian, i was naming the differences between subs. That's all you get for subbing WHM or BLM over SCH. I got that, but you need to look at the whole picture not just the differences. Being restricted with books can be a huge disadvantage, along with being an advantage. Quote: You also always use alacrity nukes over parsimony nukes inside abyssea, and good when manifestationing sleep1/2 with lots of mobs on you x_x Seems like a waste of a stratagem to be quite frank, though it depends on what you're doing. I'm not arguing that it's worse than parsimony. Quote: It's the default sub because it gives you EVERYTHING the other subs give, and much much more besides THREE spells. With penalties. Shiva.Flionheart said: Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Fenrir.Niniann said: Only useful if you're too stupid to bring a migawari tank, scherzo or earthen armor to a discoid chariot or other form of 10k needles. i am! war chariot tank goooooooooo That was a terrifying fight but it wasn't all boring like it would have been if we brought nins and did it right
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Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Ramuh.Rowland said: /SCH was great when I was main healing a bird party at 75 cap. But it just doesn't fit my play style for other events. I could just as easily crowd control as /blm. I don't see where you would need to use breakga or graviga all that much. /blm also gets drain, aspir, and sleepga too. It just depends what my group of friends needs. Nini already broke everything down though. i bring a red mage to every fight because whm hats are goddamned lame and entirely *** featherless you can't explain that This is why I'm levelling COR next.  Tell me that isn't the most awesome thing you ever did see Shiva.Flionheart said: Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Ramuh.Rowland said: /SCH was great when I was main healing a bird party at 75 cap. But it just doesn't fit my play style for other events. I could just as easily crowd control as /blm. I don't see where you would need to use breakga or graviga all that much. /blm also gets drain, aspir, and sleepga too. It just depends what my group of friends needs. Nini already broke everything down though. i bring a red mage to every fight because whm hats are goddamned lame and entirely *** featherless you can't explain that This is why I'm levelling COR next. Tell me that isn't the most awesome thing you ever did see exactly unlike these goddamned stat mongers we level jobs for the right reasons like what color they are
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No black mages ever
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Sylph.Kiaru said: @ninian, i was naming the differences between subs. That's all you get for subbing WHM or BLM over SCH. You also always use alacrity nukes over parsimony nukes inside abyssea, and good when manifestationing sleep1/2 with lots of mobs on you x_x It's the default sub because it gives you EVERYTHING the other subs give, and much much more besides THREE very situational spells. |
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