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RDM Job Manifesto
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-15 13:30:50
I remember when WHM got cura, made healing up after Hurricane Wing/Discoid much nicer
Ahhh the good ol' days
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 13:31:17
I'm done arguing, you don't understand how balance works, how mmo design works, you don't understand how SCH is designed, or how 1 job out of 20 being horrible design, you don't understand how skill made up for a classes shortcomings at 75, and how you basically REQUIRE the FOTM jobs to accomplish anything now, when you didn't at all before(you just killed a little slower, but who cared as long as it died........). The only "REQUIRED" job was a THF for TH on most things.
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By Fenrir.Niniann 2011-08-15 13:32:35
Sylph.Kiaru said: A WHM has better nuking power than a addedum whited SCH, lol.
Uhhh... no. A fully charged holy might spike higher, but overall no, just no.
Sylph.Kiaru said: A SCH and RDM should not be equal to a war/whm(inside abyssea) mainhealing, sorry, completely insane.
SCH has Rapture and Aurorastorm, they're in no way equal to a WAR/WHM, lol. RDM is about equal to a SMN/WHM. RDM has more fast-cast, SMN has more Cure Potency.
Cerberus.Wolfshadow said: hey now, I have my mule roll out on rdm occasionally for phalanx II for charged whisker burns, just cuz constant 0 damage means I can pull the whole *** zone.
liekabaws. :D
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-08-15 13:32:39
Sylph.Kiaru said: I'm done arguing, you don't understand how balance works, how mmo design works, you don't understand how SCH is designed, or how 1 job out of 20 being horrible design, you don't understand how skill made up for a classes shortcomings at 75, and how you basically REQUIRE the FOTM jobs to accomplish anything now, when you didn't at all before(you just killed a little slower, but who cared as long as it died........). The only "REQUIRED" job was a THF for TH on most things.
You're a *** sped, Jesus Christ. You go into threads purposefully to argue, and then back out saying no-one but you understands game mechanics.
The *** is this????
I can feel blood clotting in my head
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By Asura.Dajociont 2011-08-15 13:33:00
so much derp it's amazing
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-08-15 13:33:17
*** lol'd
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-08-15 13:35:18
Carbuncle.Tweeek said: Sylph.Kiaru said:
A RDM or SCH LITERALLY(I mean *** literally) cannot mainheal a LOT of NM's, especially heroes ones and even some scars. No cure5, no dice.
good, why should they?
A WHM LITERALLY cannot do nuking LITERALLY it can't nuke or inflict much damage LITERALLY it is a support / healing role.
Also this entirely.
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 13:35:18
No, you're never going to change your mind so I'm done <_< I did everything possible in the game as a SCH mainhealing or nuking besides kings(which I refused to do because they looked BORING but I could've done them probably np) without any huge disadvantages, no massive amounts of wiping/failing, and clearing things just like anybody else did but maybe a bit slower(which didnt matter cause stuff still died before raging or being kicked from event..), now that isn't possible. ......what does this say?
Every huge HNM shell I ever saw was also always recruiting WHM's and brds, ALWAYS, useless job? Don't think so. They also brought RDM's, and SCH's were amazing nukers or amazing healers, or amazing BLM buffers in BLM pt etc.
Now? Again....you bring a WHM to abyssea and don't care about other jobs, you bring NIN and war(and mnk for blu, blm for yellow, blu for yellow sometimes) and don't care about other jobs. See how horrible this game design is? Going from a wide array of viable/good/useful jobs to 7 1/2.
I won't argue anymore, I just laid it all out right in front of your face so you can see, if you don't get it you're in complete denial and nothing will show you the light ^_^
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-15 13:36:35
Shiva.Flionheart said: Sylph.Kiaru said: I'm done arguing, you don't understand how balance works, how mmo design works, you don't understand how SCH is designed, or how 1 job out of 20 being horrible design, you don't understand how skill made up for a classes shortcomings at 75, and how you basically REQUIRE the FOTM jobs to accomplish anything now, when you didn't at all before(you just killed a little slower, but who cared as long as it died........). The only "REQUIRED" job was a THF for TH on most things.
You're a *** sped, Jesus Christ. You go into threads purposefully to argue, and then back out saying no-one but you understands game mechanics.
The *** is this we aren't the only ones who think this.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-08-15 13:37:44
It says you're mad as hell. ***has always been doable with less than perfect job combinations, we all know that, doesn't mean every job was or is good. Skilled players make the best of low-tier jobs but they'd still get more performance out of superior jobs.
WHM was only worth using with heavy support, which, protip, includes jobs you'd bring to HNMs anyway. No ***they'd bring a WHM when they have the setup to support one.
tl;dr gtfo, you're boring to argue with and derp as ***
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-08-15 13:40:55
This is why I want sigs here.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-08-15 13:41:06
Cerberus.Wolfshadow said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Sylph.Kiaru said: I'm done arguing, you don't understand how balance works, how mmo design works, you don't understand how SCH is designed, or how 1 job out of 20 being horrible design, you don't understand how skill made up for a classes shortcomings at 75, and how you basically REQUIRE the FOTM jobs to accomplish anything now, when you didn't at all before(you just killed a little slower, but who cared as long as it died........). The only "REQUIRED" job was a THF for TH on most things.
You're a *** sped, Jesus Christ. You go into threads purposefully to argue, and then back out saying no-one but you understands game mechanics.
The *** is this we aren't the only ones who think this.
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*** the other day she kept saying "Just admit I'm right", "You're wrong and need to admit it", "I'm 100% right there's no argument" (paraphrasing) to me over and over again on a clearly subjective topic.
I've seen some herps before...
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-15 13:41:54
Sylph.Kiaru said: Cerberus.Wolfshadow said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Sylph.Kiaru said: I'm done arguing, you don't understand how balance works, how mmo design works, you don't understand how SCH is designed, or how 1 job out of 20 being horrible design, you don't understand how skill made up for a classes shortcomings at 75, and how you basically REQUIRE the FOTM jobs to accomplish anything now, when you didn't at all before(you just killed a little slower, but who cared as long as it died........). The only "REQUIRED" job was a THF for TH on most things.
You're a *** sped, Jesus Christ. You go into threads purposefully to argue, and then back out saying no-one but you understands game mechanics.
The *** is this we aren't the only ones who think this.
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Cool, I was completely right in every way possible and everyone was trolling like a 12 year old retard raging at me like psychos while I continued to type like an adult. Sorry I don't argue like a little kid~? right
ok
so
when everyone says you're an idiot
you go here
and everyone says you're an idiot
IT MUST BE EVERYONE ELSE WHO ARE THE IDIOTS
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By Fenrir.Niniann 2011-08-15 13:42:15
Sylph.Kiaru said: WHM was the best healer after all the /SCH buffs and WHM buffs(esuna afflatus etc).
It was better, and on things where you had a bunch of people it was a nice luxury.
Sylph.Kiaru said: We just didn't notice it because hiding behind shadows as /nin was viable, making RDM a good main healer, and most things didn't have huge AOE damage that ignored shadows.
Game situations make classes bad, this is just how it goes. SMN, for instance, isn't a bad job, it's just not useful for the majority of content.
Quote: On anything extremely hard with lots of AOE, a RDM was HORRIBLE, rdm's aoe healing was, and still is complete crap, they also couldn't keep up with sponging as well as a WHM could.
RDM can Accession Cure III/IV. WHM doesn't have the MP stamina to AOE cure like crazy either without a ton of support. It can Cura, but eh. It depends on how spammy you're talking about.
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 13:44:07
Yeah, when people reply to me like that with 0 arguments and nothing but insults, sexism, and rude remarks I'm pretty sure they're not worth arguing with.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-08-15 13:44:39
"Just admit that I'm right" isn't much of an argument either you know.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-08-15 13:45:07
Cerberus.Wolfshadow said: Sylph.Kiaru said: Cerberus.Wolfshadow said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Sylph.Kiaru said: I'm done arguing, you don't understand how balance works, how mmo design works, you don't understand how SCH is designed, or how 1 job out of 20 being horrible design, you don't understand how skill made up for a classes shortcomings at 75, and how you basically REQUIRE the FOTM jobs to accomplish anything now, when you didn't at all before(you just killed a little slower, but who cared as long as it died........). The only "REQUIRED" job was a THF for TH on most things.
You're a *** sped, Jesus Christ. You go into threads purposefully to argue, and then back out saying no-one but you understands game mechanics.
The *** is this we aren't the only ones who think this.
5th post down
Cool, I was completely right in every way possible and everyone was trolling like a 12 year old retard raging at me like psychos while I continued to type like an adult. Sorry I don't argue like a little kid~? right
ok
so
when everyone says you're an idiot
you go here
and everyone says you're an idiot
IT MUST BE EVERYONE ELSE WHO ARE THE IDIOTS
She is the exact stereotype of a female gamer.
You get people like Niniann who actually go against that stereotype and then people like her who just put it right back in place.
My god
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-08-15 13:45:58
Sylph.Kiaru said: Yeah, when people reply to me like that with 0 arguments and nothing but insults, sexism, and rude remarks I'm pretty sure they're not worth arguing with.
You're the kind of person who got bullied in several schools and then blamed all the bullies aren't you?
I swear to god, this forum is giving me a permanent eye twitch.
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 13:46:16
In this thread or the ninja one? I was trolling in the ninja one, figured out talking like a person above the age of 13 is pointless when everyone just trolls and flames you/insults you like a 9 year old. In this one I'm giving up, nothing will change anyones mind so yeah.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-08-15 13:49:00
Sylph.Kiaru said: In this thread or the ninja one? I was trolling in the ninja one, figured out talking like a person above the age of 13 is pointless when everyone just trolls and flames you/insults you like a 9 year old. In this one I'm giving up, nothing will change anyones mind so yeah.
You seriously think you are always 100% in the right don't you?
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 13:50:01
If you say so.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-08-15 13:50:33
Sylph.Kiaru said: If you say so.
Stop implying it.
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-15 13:55:37
Brb salvaging, someone document the derps!
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By Asura.Dajociont 2011-08-15 13:55:57
Ramuh.Rowland said: Someone give me a recap of what's happening right now.
dumb female not in kitchen
bout it :(
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2011-08-15 14:02:51
Ramuh.Rowland said: Someone give me a recap of what's happening right now. I type long posts explaining things perfectly, people nitpick and only read like 1 sentence or troll me, never replying with a real argument or backing up their claims with proof(ninian is an exception). I then give up and figure out they'll never change their minds.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-08-15 14:06:35
Sylph.Kiaru said: Ramuh.Rowland said: Someone give me a recap of what's happening right now. I type long posts explaining things perfectly, people nitpick and only read like 1 sentence or troll me, never replying with a real argument or backing up their claims with proof(ninian is an exception). I then give up and figure out they'll never change their minds.
I thought you were done?
As per your point, you were proven wrong on many counts by Ninnian and others. You act like everyone who disagrees with you doesn't understand game mechanics and then play victim when people call you out on the *** you spout.
Also the majority of what you say is so hilariously wrong, that it's not worth pointing it out, it's obvious to everyone with common sense.
Camate said: Greetings red mages!
Thanks for all of your feedback and sorry to keep you waiting! Here are a handful of responses we got from the development team in regards to your questions and requests.
Quote: Do you have any plans to enhance the viability of our sword-wielding proficiency?
As was stated in the preface of the job adjustments concept, the core concept of these adjustments is to make each job useful in HNM fights as well as other battle-related content. That said, we mentioned that the job adjustments will focus on party structuring, but that doesn’t mean that we will not be looking into the sword-wielding proficiency of red mages. We are actually planning adjustments to red mage’s proficiencies in the upcoming version update.
Quote: Make it possible to add enfeebling effects to En-spells.
We have no plans for this at the moment. When looking at the current system, where enfeebles take place using magic and En-spells increase damage, we’re pretty satisfied with the current separation of the two.
Quote: Add higher tier En-spells.
Planning to add these during the next version update. However, this isn’t going to be the tier-III version, we are thinking about a different type of En-spell.
Quote: Add an ability that enhances the effect of En-spells.
We would like to look into perhaps having this take place through merit points.
Quote: Make it possible for red mage to use Enlight and Endark.
Enlight and Endark are special magic spells for paladin and dark knight respectively and we have no plans to add them to red mage at this time.
Quote: Get rid of the 100% enfeeble resists on some monsters.
In regards to monsters that are completely resistant to certain spells, there is a high possibility that we won’t make any significant changes. However, there aren’t really too many of these monsters, so in regards to adjustments making it possible to land enfeebling magic easier, we feel it would be better for red mage’s to experience this effect on a larger amount of monsters.
Quote: Add new enhancing magic.
Since enhancing magic is an area that red mages excel at, we would like to add something. We have been receiving a lot of ideas for enhancing magic and we will be keeping them in mind when exploring this subject.
Quote: Will red mage be able to the use the higher tier Gravity?
We are planning to make this spell a red mage-specific spell, but are continuing to evaluate it.
Quote: Allow red mages to use one-hand sword weapon skills that can only be used by certain jobs and support jobs. We also want staff weapon skills.
We will be looking into both of these along with the weapon skills revamp.
Quote: Give red mage the “Fencer” job trait!
We looked into this, however, if we were to add this it wouldn’t be a job trait. The possibility is pretty high that it would be in the form of equipment that a red mage could wear.
Source: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/11518-Job-Adjustment%EF%BD%93-Manifesto-RDM?p=165408&viewfull=1#post165408
Mostly disappointing stuff and wasted questions. I welcome whatever Melee buffs we get (i used to melee a lot on RDM but I'm planning on an Almace for BLU and RDM), but I'm facepalming that SE is denying us Fencer as a job trait. lol@GearWeWillNeverUseOverHaste >_>
It also doesn't say much for the backline crowd. Can't say we're Enfeebling Masters if we're still getting our most powerful enfeebles resisted on HNMs. And can we just get Quick Magic, Elemental Stave-like Swords/Daggers, Regen III and Extremely useful Debuffs already? =\
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